The New Captain America.

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm not a huge comics fan, but watched the cartoons and really like the movies. I have to say all of this stuff seems really gimmicky. I have to think it would be better to create a really great new character if you want to make a black, hispanic, female, etc. character than to just transfer them to something already established. I'm white, but I'm thinking that if I was one of those groups, I'd be kind of ticked that Marvel doesn't seem to think a newer minority character could stand on their own.

 

[JBLAKE]

How about leaving the iconic superheroes alone already. :confused

 

[Goonie]

What this means is that Robert Downey Jr. will have two roles to fill in Avengers 3...

 

[Krull]

Bit off topic but go look at Archie and the "message" they've decided to push with him.

Does EVERYTHING need a PC message nowadays?

 

[Fly4v]

PC = Pretty Crappy.

This is fine, as long as they recognize Isaiah Bradley, but fans know that this is just combining old storylines.

 

[Yeebeme]

I can see all of these changes by Marvel lasting for about a year or two at most. But who knows, I've been known to be wrong before. But if they do make these changes permanent then they'll have a lot of really pissed off fans (more so than before).

 

[drcraig13]

No Hispanics? Y'all already have Miles Morales who is a black Hispanic Spider-Man.

let's talk about the lack of Asians. That's 60% of the world population that's being overlooked.

OK I will break the PC push by creating a new Asian character that is really good at math but is a horrible driver.

 

[gunnerk19]

We could have a superfast Asian hero and call him "The Frash"...

 

[The Mad Professor]

We could have a superfast Asian hero and call him "The Frash"...

Your avatar is an appropriate response to this...

 

[cboath]

I'm not a huge comics fan, but watched the cartoons and really like the movies. I have to say all of this stuff seems really gimmicky. I have to think it would be better to create a really great new character if you want to make a black, hispanic, female, etc. character than to just transfer them to something already established. I'm white, but I'm thinking that if I was one of those groups, I'd be kind of ticked that Marvel doesn't seem to think a newer minority character could stand on their own.

That's the thing - it is a gimmick. No more, no less.

If it's a legit story idea - you just do it. You don't seek out the press and give them the story early along with artwork. Doing that is basically stating you're doing this for the publicity only. It's worse, IMO, than making a movie and issuing a freaking press release every time you add someone to the cast. You're not trying to inform the public, you're trying to get free advertising. Same thing here. Sales and word of mouth are sagging, so, hey, let's do something over the top and get free PR for it!

It also wouldn't surprise me if what someone said in the thor thread is true too. The current actors can't stay in their roles forever and they're using this as a means of seeing how far a net they can cast when the time comes to find new actors. I seriously hope that's not true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[seelsa73]

It's worse, IMO, than making a movie and issuing a freaking press release every time you add someone to the cast. You're not trying to inform the public, you're trying to get free advertising.

Have you seen the amount of casting announcements for Episode VII? They certainly do not need the press lol

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

That's the thing - it is a gimmick. No more, no less.

Well I think in this case it works, because you could have any American be Captain America. It's the overall picture of changing all these characters to be PC.

 

[Josh88]

The logic for the aging of cap was that the serum was keeping him healthy and what not, and without it his years caught up with him, blah blah, blah. Personally I love falcon taking up the mantle. He's been next to cap for year helping him out as an ally, and not just recently in winter soldier. It's about time there's some diversity amongst the heroes. I know people are used to the white boys club but it's boring reading about a bunch of white guys doing stuff. We've already had a black captain America in Isaiah Bradley, and the young avengers cap was black and now the current young avenger equal is a Hispanic America Chavez as young cap.


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[spillway]

Hey guys. Back up. Back WAY up.

I'm with Josh88. If ANY character in the Marvel universe has the right to carry the shield, it's Falcon.

And, seriously -- how are people so hurt by these storylines? What does it actually do to you or to your sense of self? Or even to the books you love? Thor's still around. He's not GONE. Cap will undoubtedly be back in the red, white, and blue, and in the meantime, FALCON IS BEING CAP, YOU GUYS! People love Miles Morales and they loved and still love John Stewart. I'm sure some young women will see themselves reflected in the new Thor. Is this potential positivity really outweighed by your grumpiness?

Sometimes better representation, sometimes change, starts with a gimmick, something that looks PC for the sake of it. Look at Neal Adams and John Stewart. At the Kirk/Uhura kiss. And there was this whole thing with a seat on a bus that one time, remember? These moves tend to find themselves on the right side of history when all is said and done.

Iron Man looks pretty damn goofy, though.

 

[DuneMuadDib]

Steve'll be back by the time the next movie's out, same as male Thor. Marvel doesn't want to confuse the three new readers they'll get from the next film with a Thor and Cap that don't match what's on screen. It's why they got rid of the white Nick Fury in favor of his black son, it's why Peter Park reclaimed his body from Doc Ock around the time of ASM. They have zero faith in readers to grasp that the source material may differ from the adaptation.

That said, I have no problem with Falcon being the new Cap until Rogers is shot up with steroids and vita-rayed again a month before his new movie's out. He's as much Steve's natural successor as Bucky was. Let Marvel have their New Coke money before they go back to Coke Classic for bigger profits.

 

[cboath]

Have you seen the amount of casting announcements for Episode VII? They certainly do not need the press lol

That's exactly what I was referring to I thought that was one of the problems with the prequels to be honest, letting out way too much info beforehand. With E7, i figure the more you don't say or leak, the better. Yet, they're stooping low IMO to keep their name in the headlines and it's totally unnecessary.

As for whether or not Falcon is worthy or not is beside the point - it's not something they're doing for story, they're doing it for headlines plain and simple. If were just story, they wouldn't be out there pushing the story.

 

[n0regret5]

No Hispanics? Y'all already have Miles Morales who is a black Hispanic Spider-Man.

let's talk about the lack of Asians. That's 60% of the world population that's being overlooked.

Weird...only half hispanic? And the other half still has to be black! LOL!

Won't be happy until I see a full Hispanic.

And yeah...what about Asians? No love for them either.

asian characters from the marvel universe of the top of my head:

jubilee (no points cos lamest super hero ever)
lady deathstrike (not a hero but shh)
sunfire (freakin awesome character that needs some screentime)
daken (because daken)

and also if you have 30 minutes or more a list of just marvel hispanic characters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latino_superheroes#Marvel_Comics

 

[payton paison]

Don't want to get the thread off track, but...

The only Italian character noteworthy in Marvel Comics is the Punisher. It would be nice to see a few more characters for the Boot.

Are the TMNT paison's ? :lol

 

[dascoyne]

asian characters from the marvel universe of the top of my head:

jubilee (no points cos lamest super hero ever)
lady deathstrike (not a hero but shh)
sunfire (freakin awesome character that needs some screentime)
daken (because daken)

and also if you have 30 minutes or more a list of just marvel hispanic characters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latino_superheroes#Marvel_Comics

shang chi - (is he still around?)
mantis
psylocke

I suspect the rairity of Asian superheroes could have more to do with some artists finding it difficult to draw Asians without them looking like offensive caricatures.

 

[spillway]

Or that the A-list superheroes were all created by white dudes for white dudes at a time when being a white dude was the standard. There's no real excuse for it now, unless we're assuming that the artists continue to be incapable of drawing certain ethnicities since they started starting comics.