The most accurate ANH Vader helmet out there?

[RKW]

How did I know you were going to answer with your stock answer of I know but can't tell anyone bs :rolleyes

Well since you can't talk specifics over Vader then perhaps we can use the Stormtrooper helmets as a good analogy. Now since the TE helmet was cast off a screen used helmet making it 2nd generation do you consider it closer or further away generationally to the original than the SDS which is also a modified helmet comprising non original parts?

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(RKW @ Jun 8 2006, 01:04 PM) [snapback]1258471[/snapback]</div>

How did I know you were going to answer with your stock answer of I know but can't tell anyone bs :rolleyes

Well since you can't talk specifics over Vader then perhaps we can use the Stormtrooper helmets as a good analogy. Now since the TE helmet was cast off a screen used helmet making it 2nd generation do you consider it closer or further away generationally to the original than the SDS which is also a modified helmet comprising non original parts?
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The distinction is that I won't tell you . You can say it's all BS, it doesn't bother me, but I invite you to find an original ANH helmet and prove me wrong then.

But to answer your question about stormtrooper helmets, the SDS helmets, if from the original molds, would be one generation up from a TE helmet copy and equal in generation to the TE original helmet. But do we really want to go there too? :confused

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jun 8 2006, 07:31 PM) [snapback]1258485[/snapback]</div>

The distinction is that I won't tell you . You can say it's all BS, it doesn't bother me, but I invite you to find an original ANH helmet and prove me wrong then.[/b]

LOL... that's classic... that's just so funny that it's sad.

No need to find an original to prove you wrong. The GH helmet itself proves you wrong. It doesn't matter how large it is... if the details don't match up to anything remotely real... then why bother wasting more time on discussing it with you? You obviously believe you are right and don't need to prove it... so I guess we don't get anywhere continuing discussing this little topic.

But from your reasoning. I have something larger than the GH... would you then say that it is closer to the original, since you are so obsessed with size and not shapes and details? Size is all that matters, right? Mine is NOT an original sculpt... and I don't need to explain myself to anyone, no history, no nothing of where this item came from. Nope... nothing... or at least... nothing except fabricated history. :lol

So, if you GOT proof that the GH is cast off screen used then please provide it for all to see and for all to judge, since your word, against the current photographic evidence is severely lacking weight.

Please... post proof... :thumbsup

 

[Darth Phaeton]

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jun 8 2006, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1258464[/snapback]</div>

I will say only this....the GH is not being used as the benchmark. But among fan helmets, it's the largest, and therefore the closest to the original ANH helmet.
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Come on SL, that statement is just silly :lol
If you can't prove it's just as big as the ANH, well then you can't make a statement like this, and expect us to take it seriously. I do hope you can see how wrong that is, as we lack the real helmet to confirm this.
With all due respect, you can do better than this, I know you can.

 

[vaderdarth]

Guys, just because you don't necessarily like the answer you get, doesn't necessarily invalidate the answer. Every little tidbit of information people have cannot be shared no matter how much brow beating and insulting and ridiculing you try to subject that person to. I also know a bit about the proof you seem to have to have in order to sleep peacefully..........and I'm telling you, what's been said is all that can be said at this stage. It's all gonna come out eventually, but until then, just give it a rest. The GH is the closest fan helmet to a screen helmet and that's just the way it is.

Dan, I still haven't received the green lamps.

Peace,

Dave

 

[GINO]

Here's my 2 cents on this whole vader helmet thing.

Thomas is the owner of the ebay facemask for anyone that didn't already know.
I don't know why he hasn't said anything about it after all this time.

Also, in regards to the Jeff/GH, I do believe that it derives from an original however it's been reworked in areas for unknown reason that make it not screen accurate.

I don't believe the DJ helmet is what he says it is. Not for one second. I'm surprised that some of the other "experts" have been so easily fooled.

The 20th century helmet when it first popped up oh so long ago, when through a major restoration because much of it was badly damaged. So much reworking that in my eyes doesn't qualify as authentic anymore.

At this time, there are no helmets that are definitive, unmodified, cast from a screen ANH helmet casting. The closest so far that I've seen is Thomas' ebay facemask, but even that has some issues, (see how the tusk tubes are recessed, etc..).

There may be another but, until I have something definitive that I can show, I'm not going to running off at the mouth.

Until then, the search for the ultimate unmodified original casting goes on.

As far as what's the best out there, I'd say Thomas' ebay facemask.
The Jeff/GH and SPFX have both been so heavily modified that they are in my eyes equally inaccurate.

 

[Darth Phaeton]

<div class='quotetop'>(vaderdarth @ Jun 8 2006, 06:43 PM) [snapback]1258534[/snapback]</div>

Guys, just because you don't necessarily like the answer you get, doesn't necessarily invalidate the answer. Every little tidbit of information people have cannot be shared no matter how much brow beating and insulting and ridiculing you try to subject that person to. I also know a bit about the proof you seem to have to have in order to sleep peacefully..........and I'm telling you, what's been said is all that can be said at this stage. It's all gonna come out eventually, but until then, just give it a rest. The GH is the closest fan helmet to a screen helmet and that's just the way it is.

Dan, I still haven't received the green lamps.

Peace,

Dave
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In some way you can say it's not the answer I don't like, and thats be course it isn't backed up with proof. you all know how I feel towards "I know, but I can't say" statements. If you proof solid that the GH is THE helmet, well then you have me. It's not that I hope it's the other helmet that is the best, just that I see alot of flaws in the GH that shoulden't be present in a helmet with the said pedigre. I for one hope that some prove wich hemlet that comes closest to the screen used helmet.
So just to be clear, I don't say that one person is more correct than the other, but I react strongly towards the secrets in this hobby.

BTW just give them a few more days Dave ( BTW right back at ya )

Dan


<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Jun 8 2006, 06:53 PM) [snapback]1258539[/snapback]</div>

There may be another but, until I have something definitive that I can show, I'm not going to running off at the mouth.

Until then, the search for the ultimate unmodified original casting goes on.
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Odd, but I, can somehow respect this kind of statement, fully.
GINO I hope your quest will be blessed, and that you will bless us with your findings.

Dan

 

[RKW]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Jun 8 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]1258539[/snapback]</div>

Here's my 2 cents on this whole vader helmet thing.

Thomas is the owner of the ebay facemask for anyone that didn't already know.
I don't know why he hasn't said anything about it after all this time.

Also, in regards to the Jeff/GH, I do believe that it derives from an original however it's been reworked in areas for unknown reason that make it not screen accurate.

I don't believe the DJ helmet is what he says it is. Not for one second. I'm surprised that some of the other "experts" have been so easily fooled.

The 20th century helmet when it first popped up oh so long ago, when through a major restoration because much of it was badly damaged. So much reworking that in my eyes doesn't qualify as authentic anymore.

At this time, there are no helmets that are definitive, unmodified, cast from a screen ANH helmet casting. The closest so far that I've seen is Thomas' ebay facemask, but even that has some issues, (see how the tusk tubes are recessed, etc..).

There may be another but, until I have something definitive that I can show, I'm not going to running off at the mouth.

Until then, the search for the ultimate unmodified original casting goes on.

As far as what's the best out there, I'd say Thomas' ebay facemask.
The Jeff/GH and SPFX have both been so heavily modified that they are in my eyes equally inaccurate.
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I may disagree with SL a lot of the time but I still respected his wish for the knowledge of owning the ebay helmet to not be made public until he wanted to make it public.

While it is certainly an impressive helmet I am still uncertain where it lies in relation to DJ's and the 20thC. For someone who paraded their GH clone as the greatest ANH helmet I am surprised at your statement saying we are easily fooled by DJ's helmet. Care to elaborate?

 

[Howard]

I've no dog in this race - but I'd like to know why Gino thinks it's not what it is 'for one second.'
No disrespect at all Gino - I'm honestly really interested to know why you believe DJ's helmet (which I consider to be the best looking ANH I've seen - and I'm no expert) to have problems?

Howard.

 

[GINO]

None taken.
There are reasons why I can't say why I know. At least for now.
Lame, I know, but it's the truth.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Another dead end.

 

[RKW]

How sad it must be that the only power some men can achieve in life is to hold onto the dying secrets of 30yr old plastic :rolleyes

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>(RKW @ Jun 8 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1258619[/snapback]</div>

How sad it must be that the only power some men can achieve in life is to hold onto the dying secrets of 30yr old plastic :rolleyes
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You mean fiberglass. :lol

 

[RKW]

It sounded less dramatic :lol

 

[lambotour]

<div class='quotetop'>(GINO @ Jun 8 2006, 02:53 PM) [snapback]1258539[/snapback]</div>

Thomas is the owner of the ebay facemask for anyone that didn't already know.
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:eek :confused :eek :confused

I respect Thomas' reasons for not putting this info out there and showing off, so to speak. IMO I believe that what he intended to do was gather all the facts he possibly could in regards to the ebay faceplate and combine it with all the info he has on the GH, then put it all together in one nice package for all to see. Here's hoping this info hasn't derailed what he was planning..

 

[vaderdarth]

Actually, the only helmets that matter in this discussion are those that are "available" to the public. The most attractive ones in my opinion are those that aren't too shrunk or are closest to the unaltered screen helmets. I'm not suprised some folks want to discredit the DJ helmet......competition is competition. Especially when they have their own vader helmet in the works. Of course I know a bit about the source of those claims too. I'm not judging anyone, just keeping my "grain of salt" safe for that upcoming rainy day.

The GH and DJ helmets are certainly the most attractive to collectors. Both have a lineage, whether altered or not is beside the point. Items sourced from DP Studios are legitimate like it or not. Not saying they are the prettiest or the most accurate in every respect. Just saying you can't discard them as highly sought after collectibles.

Having said that, nothing is as cool as a screen used helmet and unfortunately, the majority of us probably won't ever see one of those in person. But the hunt is half the fun, right???

I haven't really taken this whole thread as a flame war or anything like that. Just some good information about different fan helmets. I think if I had to narrow it down to two helmets I liked the best, I'd say GH and DJ helmets. I can tell you from experience, the SPFX/Phil helmets are shrunk enough that a big ole head like mine won't fit inside. That is not the case for some other helmets. Though the SPFX recasts are considered quite attractive finished products............the sharpness you see is part of the reason they are so much smaller. They have been "HEAVILY" altered and sharpened. All sorts of points have been reworked on those helmets, in part to hide the fact they're recasts, but also to make them appear more screen accurate than the helmets they were derived from. I'm not saying Phil wasn't talented.......but there is only so much you can do with a shrunken head recast. It always reminds me of "Dark Helmut" when I see it..........LOL. The shrunk face and big ole GH dome is the dead giveaway.

Peace everyone,

Dave

 

[dcarty]

One potential key we have to judging the "shrinkage" issue is the Apple computer tabs on top of the faceplate. Assuming that they were a standard size all you need to do is place a real one on top of a 20th Century or SPFX that's early enough (before he started screwing around with them) and compare how much larger they are than the recast tabs.

Dave C

 

[yakcam]

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They look great Kraig, thanks for sharing.
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<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jun 8 2006, 12:49 PM) [snapback]1258178[/snapback]</div>

...nice :thumbsup
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<div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ Jun 8 2006, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1258289[/snapback]</div>

WOW, thanks for sharing. Exactly what I was hoping for... just hope that my request wasn't responsible for you missing that appointment... heh... that hadn't been the intention. :angel
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I'm glad they're ok, I have to thank Dave for the idea about using a tripod and marking their positions to make it easier to get a better pic when rotated though.

Cheers,

Kraig

 

[darthvaderv]

Well a very interesting thread.

Maybe this topic should not be re-surfaced once more. However much time has elapsed.

As the majority have given their vote to the DJ I jump on that bandwagon supporting the notion that it is the best out there. Whether it came from the rubber molds of the KE helmet etc.. or if it's origin is still unkown? it has the markings of the closet thing out there upon visual appearance.

I know it's always the safest thing to keep your values or likes for something sustained on this forum to some degree. However, I will go out on a limb and say the GH although beautiful in it's own right (especially the dome) the faceplate's lack of accuracy has prevented me from wanting to own one. I have examined one in detail and I agree that it is one of the biggest and heaviest around. Visually it is very much a "fat" Vader IMO. Still a thing of beauty though. I think it's lineage and reputation go a long way.

Although JB has had issues with deliveries there is no doubt that since Mark has been the middleman things are much better. I feel in this case his helmet can not be overlooked as one of the nicest along with the other infamous prop maker's creation.

The VM V1 is another terrific helmet but lacks accuracy in areas. I support that it does indeed look the meanest ANH Vader.

PS's "Mystery" helmet no doubt will be in my list of top 5 ANH lids if the finished article turns out as planned. Okay it may possibly be a re-worked Fyberdyne but most things are re-worked from the Jeff/Roger /DP's.

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darthvaderv @ Nov 21 2006, 09:28 AM) [snapback]1362650[/snapback]</div>

Well a very interesting thread.

Maybe this topic should not be re-surfaced once more. However much time has elapsed.

As the majority have given their vote to the DJ I jump on that bandwagon supporting the notion that it is the best out there. Whether it came from the rubber molds of the KE helmet etc.. or if it's origin is still unkown? it has the markings of the closet thing out there upon visual appearance.

I know it's always the safest thing to keep your values or likes for something sustained on this forum to some degree. However, I will go out on a limb and say the GH although beautiful in it's own right (especially the dome) the faceplate's lack of accuracy has prevented me from wanting to own one. I have examined one in detail and I agree that it is one of the biggest and heaviest around. Visually it is very much a "fat" Vader IMO. Still a thing of beauty though. I think it's lineage and reputation go a long way.

Although JB has had issues with deliveries there is no doubt that since Mark has been the middleman things are much better. I feel in this case his helmet can not be overlooked as one of the nicest along with the other infamous prop maker's creation.

The VM V1 is another terrific helmet but lacks accuracy in areas. I support that it does indeed look the meanest ANH Vader.

PS's "Mystery" helmet no doubt will be in my list of top 5 ANH lids if the finished article turns out as planned. Okay it may possibly be a re-worked Fyberdyne but most things are re-worked from the Jeff/Roger /DP's.
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About the DarthJones helmet. I sincerely believe its source, which is the screen-used ANH helmet. The helmet that Kermit Eller wore is the screen helmet.

I find it curious that with only nine posts you resurrect three threads and in all three discuss either the JB V2 helmet or Mark's involvement as a middleman. It seems you know about Mark and enough about the "infamous prop maker", and knew where to find these threads. Now, the JB V2 helmet is very nice, don't get me wrong, but why go through all the trouble to dig up these old threads instead of starting your own? And what is this about "things being much better" with JB? He's fabricated tales about the source of his helmet, about knowing Don Bies, and about knowing Brian Muir. So it is not just an issue about deliveries, it is about honesty. I don't see things getting any better with him. :confused

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about each of the Vader helmets. You are welcome to call the GH a "fat" Vader and I do not disagree about it being cleaned up in areas, but I could say that the JB V2 and any other helmet recast from a 20th Century is demonstrably a "thin" Vader and not like the original ANH. So if JB wants to get it right, he should find a source other than a 20th Century faceplate.