The Matrix 4!

So, after what was said in this thread, I just had to stream it. My curiosity got the better of me and, well, I didn't hate it but it is certainly with faults.
It's deconstructionist and feels like a begrudging love letter to itself. The best thing I can say about it is that it isn't doing much but at least it knows it. I like the first film and don't hate the sequels---I just found them a bit muddled and too heady for its own good---but there's a lot secondary and tertiary characters that spring up in this that should give all tens of die-hards about the trilogy a good time.

As I understand it, WB wanted to make this and pressured the Wachowskis to either be involved or not; it was going to happen anyway. One of them had completely bowed out of filmmaking and the one that made this felt obligated to shepherd the project in some way. With this movie, there's a lot of clever ideas that essentially reconstructs and re-contextualize the first movie while condensing all the films into one entity, but it's a bit clumsy in its writing and story. There were moments where I was won over by what it was doing, or tried to do, but most of the time it felt juvenile and awkward. Like, as Anakin Starkiller said, fan-fiction. This felt like online fan-fiction.

Now, that's not the worst of the movie for me: it's everything else. The impression that I got from this film is that whichever of the Wachowski that did this is the "ideas" one of the pair, while the other is the one that can do the work, the one that can construct a film. This movie is lifeless. It lacks atmosphere and tension and, my God, is the action dull. Remember the fun gunfights and cool action choreography that made the Matrix what it is? Yeah, that's out the window. The action isn't filmed clearly, it's mostly close-ups and frantic, and lacks any drama. Those sequences are dead here. Keanu does the bare minimum of fighting and it may be contractually obligated for him to never have a full costume again, as he just runs around this film in a dark t-shirt and jacket with his arms out-stretched for much of the time. It doesn't help that the film is ugly as sin to watch. It shifts from something that looks like a movie, to Days of Our Lives, and it switches back and forth in quality repeatedly. The credits list that RED cameras were used to film this, and my God, if that isn't damning on RED; this movie looks awful. It looks like it was shot on home-market DV camcorders at its worst. You can see the how fake the effects and sets throughout the entirety of the movie. There are trappings that make this a Matrix movie... but clearly on a budget.

It isn't great, but it's nothing I don't think anyone is going to get upset about considering the series' standing. The best of this is Carrie Ann Moss, I thought. She was the best out of all the performances in this and, I don't know if she was trying or not, I thought she out-shone everyone. Morpheus-but-not-Morpheus isn't terrible, just hammy. The only saving grace was that I thought this movie moved quickly for something two-and-a-half hours.
 
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I liked it, it felt both nostalgic and new at the same time, it felt like a clever way of doing a sequel and reboot without doing a reboot. And for me at least it made you question the previous movies like the characters were questioning what actually happened or not.


You mean ... it was all just a dream?
 
You've seen other people enjoy it? Are you able to tell what it is they might have enjoyed?
On facebook people are enjoying it, i get the impression its the whole vibe of the movie rather than a specific thing they like, more power to you if you go and enjoy it, just not for me
 
I need a second watch but not having Hugo Weaving and still having agent smith killed me. I can not be sold on the character being the same but recast because the therapist has control over him, but once he’s free, he should’ve reverted to Hugo.

I don’t know what the current conflict between humans and machines are that justify matrix ***** to save everyone. Seems like everyone has choice. If you’re a good machine, you join the humans, and if you’re awakened inside the matrix, you’ll get out, like bugs. Not much resistance except the trapped neo trinity plot line.

I don’t take much offense to the new characters, I think bugs killed it, but I already liked her from iron fist and defenders. I consider modal Morpheus a new character since he had a short character arc about his amalgamated Morpheus/smith personality.

Just like Solo A Star Wars story, a deepfake would make this a much better movie for me, I need Hugo or no Smith at all.
 
I'm no matrix fan, I've seen the prior movies once each. This one wasnt on the same cinematic tone. As it's been said prior it's all over the place with cinematography, camera style, and the editing is horrible. The music was a vibe killer as well.

What I did seem to take away from this one without massive spoilers. Two returning characters are clearly stated, by themselves even, they are combined versions of themselves with either another character or a version of their prior self coded by another character as to what they remember them as. Some of those types of things I did like and stands out as to some thought went into it. Such a shame the plot though and how it ends. A jumbled mess of undecipberable action fluff and generic more big badda boom.

Just as I felt with Blade Runner 2049, the better plot was right there but it wasn't taken advantage of. For those curious about BR2049 and what I mean, K going rogue to turn Joy into a physical replicant would have been a much better story. With the new Matrix movie, something similar is right there. Just not realized what so ever.
 
Wow. That was just... meh.

And the fight scenes... so bad. I get that Yuen Woo Ping isn't choreographing the fights in this one, but they were just so damn sluggish! At one point, Keanu says "I still know kung fu!" and I replied out loud "Do you though?" (insert Thor meme).

This is the Independence Day: Resurgence of the Matrix franchise. Totally unnecessary and pure cash grab.
 
We saw it last night and while it wasn't perfect, it was a lot better than I was expecting. Certainly, it went downhill after the first third and there were a lot of things it could have done better and I think it missed a really obvious twist at the end that they'd set up all along, but I didn't hate it. In fact, it was one of the few recent movies I've seen that I didn't hate.
 
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I was pretty meh on all the other films. Some have parts that actually make me want to turn them off and I don’t really get their wide appeal. I heard that all the people that love the originals are hating this new films direction so, hey, maybe it’s for me now?

Nope. The characters were always to self important and this new one now makes the franchise itself knowingly self important. I can appreciate the production design and the general concept but these just get far to heavy with their mythos for me.
 
Well, easy decision now, I don't need this in my head then, other forums are similar with "meh" or worse dominating. But I admit I had had my fill of Matrixeseses, I needed to hear dominate great reviews if I was going to jump in again.
 
We saw it last night and while it wasn't perfect, it was a lot better than I was expecting. Certainly, it went downhill after the first third and there were a lot of things it could have done better and I think it missed a really obvious twist at the end that they'd set up all along, but I didn't hate it. In fact, it was one of the few recent movies I've seen that I didn't hate.
I’m curious, what twist?
 
I watched “John Wick:Afterlife” and I must have gotten complacent with WB and the streaming model. The first, will remain the best. Agree for me this was also meh. Seems like WB just gave us one Neo finger and no phone call…maybe I will try it again in a day or so.
 
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We saw it last night and while it wasn't perfect, it was a lot better than I was expecting. Certainly, it went downhill after the first third and there were a lot of things it could have done better and I think it missed a really obvious twist at the end that they'd set up all along, but I didn't hate it. In fact, it was one of the few recent movies I've seen that I didn't hate.

I’m curious, what twist?

I thought it had two obvious ones that they set up but didn't pay off: Trinity is a construct of the Analyst, a merger of her mind and outside interpretation of her like Smith and Morpheus, and Morpheus-but-not was a saboteur. Like, a late-game plan-B if Neo got out and tried to find Trinity, Morpheus would surely be there to keep her from unplugging and essentially, be the bullet to her head to keep Neo inside the new Matrix.

I don’t know what the current conflict between humans and machines are that justify matrix ***** to save everyone. Seems like everyone has choice. If you’re a good machine, you join the humans, and if you’re awakened inside the matrix, you’ll get out, like bugs. Not much resistance except the trapped neo trinity plot line.

That's what I didn't get, too. They said the robots destroyed each other because there were a lack of resources (too many people were leaving the Matrix?), so they attacked Zion again? It was such a long exposition dump, I didn't catch it all. What I got was that Neo, after the third movie, becomes "ultimate power," he attained zen and became pure source code of all life and intelligence, so the robots rebuilt him and kept him alive to just be used as a power source for a new version of the Matrix, doing the same for Trinity to keep her as a carrot on a stick in front of Neo to keep him in the Matrix. So, it seems to me, that the machines are in the most danger here but nothing ever comes from it...We're still made to believe the Matrix and robots are bad and evil---why? The options for machines and people is what you laid out: stay or go. I guess this feeds into the whole "illusion of choice" theme they hammer into your face throughout but it's really clumsy.
 
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Reviews I've seen online are so polar opposite on this one...

I'm getting the vibe from online reviews that this is Rian Johnson TLJ level "WTH did I just watch? Is it somehow brilliant and over my head, or just a craptastic failure?"
Wow! I thought I was the only one! I verbally had said to a friend that it felt like they secretly hired Rian Johnson to work with Wachowski on this film. It sure felt like it was intended to piss off a lot of fans.

I also thought it was so weird that even the color temperatures were way way off from the ones used throughout the original trilogy. It legit it did not feel at all like a Matrix film even though the names Neo and Trinity were spoken many times. It was just that weird.
 
I’m curious, what twist?
So I'm just going to spoil crap so anyone who doesn't want to know, don't read further. You have been warned.

Honestly, they spent the entire movie setting up Neo and Trinity being two halves of "the One" He has very limited access to his powers (and that's one other problem, Neo's powers are really convenient throughout, he can do whatever he needs to do, just because he needs to do it), but all the way along to the end, when he gets closer to Trinity, he gets stronger. When they went off the roof at the end, it was the perfect opportunity to have them join hands and THEN be able to fly. Instead, they did a "girl power" moment, which was dumb because that's not flying, that's floating, so that Trinity could save him. They could have done the "two become one" thing and they just skated past it.
 
I also thought it was so weird that even the color temperatures were way way off from the ones used throughout the original trilogy. It legit it did not feel at all like a Matrix film even though the names Neo and Trinity were spoken many times. It was just that weird.

I think that was intentional as part of the whole "deconstructionist" nature of the movie. But also, after the third film, when the Matrix was reset, the Matrix lost the filter. So, I guess this is a continuation of that.
 
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