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Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by jusdrewit, Mar 17, 2018.

  1. Shingouki28

    Shingouki28 Well-Known Member

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    This toy blaster issue is just the tip of the iceberg...There are a lot more ugly issues that have been brewing for quite some time. I suggest you re read all the associated threads/links and info that people have presented regarding Mike Herron and his frequent goading, booting from his FB group for not kissing his company's behind. In fact, I believe he just booted the maker Zenix of the Solo dice simply because he asked to withold sales just until this simmers down. Herron sees the community as a way to make cash. Plain and simple.
    I caught him out after he passed on an original blaster I built for him to be recast, because I wouldn't play ball anymore and he was desperate for sales to cash in on "Solo"s release. I caught him out before it hit production. Mike Herron denied it, obviously, despite massive photographic evidence to the contrary and pointing out every one of my 'tells' (Although I strongly suspect the guy working on it had been told a complete load of nonsense by Herron about me "giving full permission for it to go ahead") That maker and I have since hashed it out and realised it was Herron scamming the both of us, missing payments to us both but still hassling and demanding orders be processed) So he ordered a brand new one to be comissioned instead to clear the air..or avoid bad press...

    And as karma would have it, his new builder Michael Castro of Irmao Custom Models ended up using third gen recasts of some of my other parts on FF second run of DL44s, and was caught out recently when they both became evasive over the nature of the source and materials used in these hyper inflated marked up toy mausers....Castro quit the SWBBG and soon after started trolling my wifes Instagram.
    Mike Herron and his cohorts just keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper...

    Mike Herron is NOT a builder and relatively new to collecting from what I can gather, and saw the community as a gullible cash cow for him and his pal Michael Tinson to milk fully.
     
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  2. SandieCakes

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    I think we all know he isn’t a builder. I was one of the ones waiting on one of your blasters. The way you are portraying it, isn’t the way it went down. I’m not sure if you were having personal issues or what but your builds kept getting delayed...

    Again, I’m not here to defend one side or the other. But there is a common thread emerging of people either teaming up or coordinating their smear campaign and it’s usually centered around people’s/businesses marketplace that he is entering with TFF expanding products.

    I don’t believe the Xenix was kicked out. I think he wanted to avoid the drama and witch hunt that is going on...

    In the end we are all one community and this Mob mentality against one company that offers to put artists in front of buyers is met with nothing but vile hate because they might be taking business from one or more members.

    To say that he sees it as a money making opportunity is obvious. Do you donate all your blasters and take losses on everything you do? No everyone that sells props/replicas or anything else does it to make money.

    What I personally love about TFF is that it is cheaper alternative to the high end Master Replicas sabers, blasters etc. if you have damning evidence against TFF send it to me and I’ll be on your side. But Chris, you Kyle and Eddie all are giving a partial truth and have other motivating factors besides “looking out for the little guy”.

    Let’s all lay our blasters down and heal and move past all of this. I’ll start a group chat shortly.


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  3. xl97

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    *I cant even believe some of the garbage posted here.... especially in defense of the ForceForum clowns!

    The admins here have 'spoken'.. that behavior is not allowed here. (the majority of people think what hes doing is NOT ok... so you can skip your 'home page supporters' comment as any sort of valid comment)

    * I doubt they ban 'whimsically'....


    You cant be a uptight rude/jerk
    You cant steal/recast

    Members her have been around a long time and been 'around the block' (so to speak)..

    When you live/work through certain scenarios... and see tell-tale signs of that non-sense again... PEOPLE SHARE!.

    The site was already 'shady' to begin with.. enough so to cause concern.

    FF came to try and clear his name/purpose... and I think at that point people gave him a pass, and wanted to see how things fared.

    Well they failed... and people called them out on it.

    Not only that.. but the lack of knowing/caring about the props they peddle.. is a clear sign ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY!.

    Is that what you think people (collectors) here care about? If so.. you are in the wrong place.
    They DO care about quality.
    They do care about IP
    They do care about the lineage
    They do care about the electronics..

    For ANYONE to say thats a non-issue is not only a fool.. but foolish.

    (Yeah buy a car un-seen, dont know the miles,. condition, where it came from, color..etc).. ridiculous!

    For not only 1 person.. but 2 to side step a simple question about the props.. or the electronics.. shows a PATTERN!.. Perhaps even an FF 'policy'... why? (because its either sub-par or not acceptable in our scene/community).. so that is why the lies and dodgery.

    They had a chance.. they blew it. (hugely).. No one un-informed people will be prey'd upon.. but over time.. the word will get out about their tactics/behavior.

    Low budget people.. and a low budget 'company'...


    I cant stop laughing at how much is just ignored!!!!
     
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  4. Shingouki28

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    I stated quite clearly earlier in this thread that I was unable to continue to make blasters due to the reasons given. Those reasons were completely ignored by Mike, and he coninued to push sales and advertise despite me telling him otherwise. Then he wanted to recast. The evidence is all in this thread and links. I dont know why you seem to be glossing over this fact..?
    I honestly dont see TFF as a threat to my miniscule piece of the hobby market...I cant speak for others, but I build for the pleasure of building mainly, and the few and far between comission.. and yes...I HAVE given blasters away, given parts for others builds at my own expense. I was making £70 for a fully built quality blaster after shipping ate into any profits...when I factor in the time spent on each one, I was actually on less then UK minimum wage. On the TFF...they were pushing them out at $175...so making a nice little earner there.

    Zenix was booted. Go read the thread.

    If you cant be bothered to brush up on all the info presented since all of this occurred, then there is never going to be any convincing you. Its all here. Screencaps of convos, the lot. But you coming into this saying otherwise despite the overwhelming evidence screams of shilling for a very unsavoury character..
     
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  5. SandieCakes

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    I will. Maybe I’m not seeing it because I’m on “tap talk” on my phone. No judging . I’ve just bought a lot from them and always thought it was understood that it was like a coop and multiple artists provided different props. I fully respect everyone and it just appears like a mob style attack. I’m open to being wrong and will heed your advice and hop on the computer and fully read everything before speaking.

    I should have listened to my wife and just kept my mouth shut and stick to the “project runs” portion of RPF.


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  6. Synz314

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    I would definitely steer clear of them. At least in regards to their helmets, many of which are made by SithPlanet, the information about them is so vague and generic. If you ask Mike Herron who the maker is, he'll say the maker doesn't want that information disclosed. For the prop building community, that is a huge and dumbfounding red flag. SithPlanet doesn't have the best reputation, especially on the Dented Helmet, and their work quality is varied and inconsistent depending on the prop. There's no way of knowing, unless you really research, if what you're buying from the Force Forum is recast crap.

    He tried pushing his Vader helmet (also Sith Planet's) in a Vader Facebook group and when people questioned its origins and quality, he lost his **** and started throwing insults. If you try to explain to him about why recasting is bad or how a good reputation is earned in the prop making community, he just doesn't get it.
     
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  7. Shingouki28

    Shingouki28 Well-Known Member

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    THIS. This is just one of the issues.

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  8. matty matt

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    I'm having trouble understanding why anyone would purchase from these guys. Am I missing something?
     
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  9. DarkLyte

    DarkLyte Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Those fools used my photography and didn't credit my work or ask for permission. They also just spam all the pages with their stuff.
     
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  10. xl97

    xl97 Sr Member

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    And the jack-assery just continues...
     
  11. oblagon

    oblagon Sr Member

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    Do you have a link to this? I'd be interested (and I'm sure others would be as well) to read what happened.
     
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  12. vader45

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    Im not sure where Korbanth sourced that vader helmet but it is his worst offering to date. Its a highly warped sculpted. Im not sure why Mike can not see that and gets defensive when someone tries to tell him.
     
  13. Synz314

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  14. oblagon

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    Don't have permission to see it; too bad.

    Also Force Forums new leia and rebel blasters look like they're made by this guy on Etsy.
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/576030...defender-blaster-long?ref=shop_home_active_25
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/589836877/dh-17-blaster-pistol?ref=shop_home_active_27
     
  15. el toro

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  16. oblagon

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    blaster1.jpg
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  17. zjunlimited

    zjunlimited Active Member

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    Umm yeah, those look exactly the same. I sent a note to the guy on Etsy. Let's see how he responds.
     
  18. oblagon

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    It helps when they use the exact same images as on Etsy.

    Got my refund from Force Forum; so Michael did keep his word in the end.
     
  19. zjunlimited

    zjunlimited Active Member

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    Got a note back from the Etsy guy and he confirmed he is fulfilling Force Forum's orders
     
  20. DarkLyte

    DarkLyte Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Force Forum is going to be a downward spiral that's just cashing in on the hype. Hopefully they'll be gone soon however with all the new fans flooding in, the price tag and shiny objects will keep them going for a while.
     
  21. razorsharp192

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  22. zjunlimited

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    10-4. Sent him the link to this thread and warnings...
     
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  23. razorsharp192

    razorsharp192 Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    have some posts been deleted??
     
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  24. Aldo The Apache

    Aldo The Apache Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yeah like 4 , or 5 were deleted, wouldn’t be suprised if it was him.
     
  25. SandieCakes

    SandieCakes New Member

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    I was wondering the same thing. It seems like anything not directly opposed to TFF keeps getting removed. I for one appreciated his humility and perceived sincere apologetic attitude.


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  26. Art Andrews

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    It isn't a matter of "anything not directly opposed to TFF" being deleted. This is an issue with people breaking section 3Aiii of the Community Guidelines which state:

    Members may not shill within any part of our Communities. This includes posting items for sale or coordinating sales for other people or promoting sites, services or products for banned members or known recasters.

    Mike has been banned from the community. Having others come in or sign up simply to post on his behalf is considered shilling and allowing them to speak for him negates the purpose of a ban.

    This is nothing personal against Mike, but he is no longer a member here, does not have a voice here and will not be heard through the voice of others here.
     
  27. snedders1

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    Ive said before the owner is pure and simply all about making money.
    he claims he is here for the community and to help the fans.
    one thing that irritates me with this claim is if anyone commented on a post on a fb group asking who
    does the best let’s say most accurate ANH stormtrooper helmet, he wouldn’t give you the best
    maker or advice, he would automatically direct you to his site and to his helmet he offers claiming it’s screen accurate as his claims are fir most
    of if not all his products. Watch his reviews, hilarious.
     
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  28. Shingouki28

    Shingouki28 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen any bullying of MH or his FF. If anything, it's entirely the other way round with more then enough to back it up. I don't feel like people are piling on here for the fun of it... Enough people are sick to the back teeth with MH/ FF and their constant spamming of other groups, woefully inept and insulting customer relations, the personal goading by MH of several individuals, lack of awareness of product lineage/ origin. Not to mention being very selective with who can review products and then blocking unhappy people who have been refunded in an attempt to control negativity.

    I'm sure there are some great products in the mix...Never disputed that. But nothing entirely exclusive that can't be procurred from the maker direct thus cutting out the snake oil salesmen. It's a shame that potential makers/custimers who are not aware of MH/FF behaviour are going to end up supporting him. Threads like this exist for a reason. And there are several still on FB. People have a right to know who they are dealing with and what handing over their hard earned cash will get them.
    There is simply no place for shady business types and their ilk in what is sadly becoming an ever increasing quagmire.
     
  29. SandieCakes

    SandieCakes New Member

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    I agree with 90% of this. Finally a none angry post. Thank you.


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  30. oblagon

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    I thought it was strange that I couldn't leave a review for the helmet I bought from FF on their website. During the return process personally I never experienced any hostility or insults, they initiated contact with me asking how I liked the helmet and then offered to take it back or ship me a new one.

    I don't agree with the recasting or some of the things FF has said to people; just putting my personal experience with them out there.
     
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  31. craigjohn

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    Why? Doesn't he deserve to be angry? Doesn't he deserve to be heard, considering he was a builder for Mike?
     
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  32. SandieCakes

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    Not referring to him. There was a handful of comments and name calling that went on last night that was deleted.


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  33. razorsharp192

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  34. SandieCakes

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    Man, I just have to disagree. While he doesn’t need the RPF to continue to do business he made (what appeared to be) a heart felt apology. I was the one that pushed him to make it right and pushed him to transparency and openness etc. after speaking with Kyle privately I understood so much more about linage and history of the props. Which to be honest, I’m a consumer so I was oblivious to the wide world of how prop makers tracked the history of stuff (which made sense, when I related it in my mind to horses or grapes for wine)

    Anyways, I’m sure there will be those that just want to call me a sheep or a sock puppet again, but for those that are in his FB group and see his responses the last few days, I think you’ll see this really rocked him and opened his eyes to a few things that were let be handled properly.

    I think I learned through all of this that I just need to stick to the “project runs” portion of the forum (hahaha). Anyways, I def learned a lot through all of this and have grown to respect the finer side of what it really takes to get the new shinny toy I buy online to get it all the way to my door.

    I hope everyone has a nice peaceful weekend.


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  35. Shingouki28

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    If you were having to "push him into doing the right thing with openess and transparency" then that speaks volumes of his character and how he conducts his business. He'll very be hard pressed to garner any sympathy or support within the community given ALL that's happened.

    The fact that I had to relay so much information to you via a PM request (despite full transparency on all of my posts here and on Fb) does indeed suggest you and Mike are pretty close...

    I strongly suspect it's "rocked" him as sales have been dented somewhat...

    He has no issues with recasting as long as he can make money from it. He has no issues with treating builders with a lack of respect. He will throw a fit if you dare criticise any product, even constructive criticisms.

    ALL of this evidence continues to be shown and yet you are making out as if he is somewhat remorseful victim??

    You are, to a degree, judged by the company you keep.

    I have said all I have needed to say about this guy. I will never recommend The FF to anybody for every reason I have stated.

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  36. ichnob

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    The tl;dr version. But I'm also in agreement. I would rather recommend the actual makers or other places more trusted.
     
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  37. razorsharp192

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  38. teecrooz

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    While Disney and Lucasfilm are relatively understanding when it comes to fan made products, I bet they would take issue with this business.
     
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  39. oblagon

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    Not only Darth Hair but Phoenix Props are selling though FF as well
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  40. LTsmash1200

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    I hope your helmet wasn't a Darth Hair...or if it was, it was just a one off mistake...I've been planning on getting a Red 5 from him for a while.
     
  41. zjunlimited

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    Just a quick update.....no further communication from the Etsy seller (Darth Hair) and just dropped a note to PP.
     
  42. oblagon

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    Spend a bit more and get a Red 5 helmet with linage from RS props.
     
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  43. Aldo The Apache

    Aldo The Apache Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yep thing looks great.


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  44. SithSim

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    The Death Trooper helmet has been taken down from the list of helmets for order.
     
  45. snedders1

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    ive just been told that FF are now not permitted to post on the RPF FB.
     
  46. razorsharp192

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  47. fonzie22

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    Avoid at all costs. I purchased an “in stock” item in May. It’s never been shipped. They got back to me saying they would ship their own personal version of the item. That never happened and now they no longer respond to emails.
     
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  48. zjunlimited

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    That's terrible. They don't appear to be going away unfortunately. They have more and more products on their site....
     
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  49. oblagon

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    I see a few RPF'ers selling their stuff on Force Forums site now.
     
  50. clancampbell

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    IMG_1826.JPG IMG_1827.JPG IMG_1828.JPG IMG_1829.JPG IMG_1830.JPG IMG_1831.JPG IMG_1832.JPG IMG_1833.JPG IMG_1834.JPG IMG_1835.JPG IMG_1837.JPG IMG_1839.JPG I preordered a Vader reveal helmet. Paid about $900.00.
    I sent it back the same day, i'll let the pics speak for themselves.
    Mike H. was actually very good about it and sorted a refund very quickly.....but that's not the point.
    I was also bummed that it came with a very shoddy, incomplete display stand which was rough wood painted matt black and some PVC pipes a couple of bits missing from that.....and, to top it off, it had an ANH dome too.....

    I was sooo looking forward to having a nice Vader reveal...anyhoo...pics....

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