The Book of Boba Fett

[HMSwolfe]

I, too, don’t like that Luke espouses the prequel era teachings, and I did hate to hear that from him. But I do think from a character perspective it’s correct for him to believe that still. I don’t think there’s been any real reason for Luke to reject that teaching yet. Luke was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda, both masters in the old order, and enforcers of the old teachings, and both very blind to the problems those teaching create. Luke would have no cause to doubt them until he learns Anakin’s side of the story. Which could be a really fun character moment for both Luke and Ahsoka (and maybe an opportunity for Hayden to show up).

I mean, it’s the end of ROTJ in its entirety. Yoda and Obi-Wan told Luke Vader killed his father so he would want to kill him. Once Luke learns the truth, they tell him his father is past saving. Luke rejects that idea, and it’s Anakin’s attachment to his son that allows him to pull out of the cloak of Vader and defy the Emperor. To me, I feel like Luke wouldn’t really be too happy with his Jedi mentors.

 

[Elevader]

I, too, don’t like that Luke espouses the prequel era teachings, and I did hate to hear that from him. But I do think from a character perspective it’s correct for him to believe that still. I don’t think there’s been any real reason for Luke to reject that teaching yet. Luke was trained by Obi-Wan and Yoda, both masters in the old order, and enforcers of the old teachings, and both very blind to the problems those teaching create. Luke would have no cause to doubt them until he learns Anakin’s side of the story. Which could be a really fun character moment for both Luke and Ahsoka (and maybe an opportunity for Hayden to show up).

This is where Ashoka’s involvement is really interesting. She was deeply affected by how the dogma of the Jedi Order failed her. If they choose to develop Lukes story further, their relationship could be key to him understanding this.

 

[Kylash]

I sure hope Ahsoka meeting Luke is shown in her series, because that feels like an important moment to just skip over.

 

[Eruonen]

This is where Ashoka’s involvement is really interesting. She was deeply affected by how the dogma of the Jedi Order failed her. If they choose to develop Lukes story further, their relationship could be key to him understanding this.

That’s what I really want to see.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Minor grievances:

Wasn’t feeling the music during any of the Luke scenes. Really, they just needed to go full John Williams. I like the Mando score (for the most part) but it needed to be more pure and orchestral and Star Wars during those scenes.

(edited to add:
I also don’t like the construction droids, or the temple that much, either. Pretty bland and boring.)

I wish Luke’s lightsaber had been an idealized conglomeration of the three main props from ROTJ, leaning mostly towards the V2. The brass neck material from the Hero, the clamp, emitter, and pommel of the V2, maybe the buttons on the side of the clamp box like the Hero, maybe the emitter is a little wider like the V3 or Yuma, not super versed on those two.

Tired of twileks. Stop. No more. I hope Jennifer Beals’ character died, because all of the discussion surrounding her on this thread has made me cringe very hard.

I appreciate that the clones had physical armor. The scene looked goofy, though, just a flat shot from behind, super saturated, definitely felt like a TV show.

 

[CelticRuins]

I'll be the first to say that Luke showing up at the end of S2, was not what I wanted in the slightest. I also can't stand the jedi dogma. It's the typical hypocritical bs that gets every character associated with it, in trouble.

I'm hoping, like previously stated, that Grogu changes him somehow, but unfortunately those "sequels" are still canon.

I was hoping they were going to pull a World-Between-Worlds/Marvel Multiverse thing in the Ahsoka series and retcon it that way. Being that that's too close to this phase of Marvel, I doubt it.

Ahsoka spent time with Kanan who had attachment to Hera. She saw Ezra's attachment to his parents and the Rebel crew. She was forcefully kicked out of the order, she should know better. It definitely frustrated me for her to start playing riddles with Din.

I find solace in the fact that Din and Grogu will be united in S3 and Luke will set off on his separate path towards his ghastly destiny. Keep Din, Grogu, Boba and the rest on this Mandalorian path, outside the realm of jedi squabble.

 

[AnubisGuard]

I mean, it’s the end of ROTJ in its entirety. Yoda and Obi-Wan told Luke Vader killed his father so he would want to kill him. Once Luke learns the truth, they tell him his father is past saving. Luke rejects that idea, and it’s Anakin’s attachment to his son that allows him to pull out of the cloak of Vader and defy the Emperor. To me, I feel like Luke wouldn’t really be too happy with his Jedi mentors.

Came here to post something very similar.

I think this episode undermined Luke's character much more than TLJ did. TLJ Luke, as much of a cynic as he was, was the kind of person you get when an impatient but-I-was-going-to-Toshi-station-to-pick-up-some-poooowwwerrrr-converrrrteeerrrrss kid faces real disappointment for the first time, ie a heartbroken idealist.

This Luke I don't know what the heck is going on. How he drank the Jedi cult Kool-Aid after saving his sister and redeeming his father through the power of his attachment is beyond me.

Worst part for me, as an audience member, is that I can't tell if the show is endorsing this philosophy or not. The prequels, as written, are powerful arguments against the Jedi philosophy, but Lucas is on record making it clear he meant it the other way, and if one thing is clear listening to Feloni in interviews, he's trying to stick to old Uncle George's worldviews.

So we get damned lectures about the dangers of attachment from a creative team that can't let a single legacy character go.

Hey, did you see Asoka again? And Cade Bane? Pretty cool! How about that Boba Fett? And the N-1! 'Member?

But attachment is against the Jedi way!

 

[Psab keel]

 

[AnubisGuard]

I find solace in the fact that Din and Grogu will be united in S3 and Luke will set off on his separate path towards his ghastly destiny. Keep Din, Grogu, Boba and the rest on this Mandalorian path, outside the realm of jedi squabble.

My hope at this point is that Mando and Grogu, backed up by the dark saber and with the combined teachings of the Jedi and the Mandalorian Way, forge a new school of Force uses that rejects the dogmatism of both parent philosophies and does what Luke should have done, which is find a better path than repeating the old mistakes of the Jedi.

 

[AnubisGuard]

One last thought: one method cults use to control members is insisting they cut off contact with family and friends from before the target joined the cult.

I really hope Favreau, Feloni et al realize what they're writing here.

 

[CelticRuins]

My hope at this point is that Mando and Grogu, backed up by the dark saber and with the combined teachings of the Jedi and the Mandalorian Way, forge a new school of Force uses that rejects the dogmatism of both parent philosophies and does what Luke should have done, which is find a better path than repeating the old mistakes of the Jedi.

This is the dream, right here.

 

[HMSwolfe]

My hope at this point is that Mando and Grogu, backed up by the dark saber and with the combined teachings of the Jedi and the Mandalorian Way, forge a new school of Force uses that rejects the dogmatism of both parent philosophies and does what Luke should have done, which is find a better path than repeating the old mistakes of the Jedi.

That’s my hope, too, honestly, seeing as how we’ve been let down by Luke. Again, a lot of people see the black outfit and the green lightsaber and go “that’s my Luke! This makes me so happy since I’ve been in a deep depression since TLJ” but don’t realize Luke “drinking the Jedi Kool-Aid”, as you brilliantly put it, is what leads to old Luke pulling a lightsaber on a boy because “once you turn, forever are you lost”.

 

[PoopaPapaPalps]

I mean, it’s the end of ROTJ in its entirety. Yoda and Obi-Wan told Luke Vader killed his father so he would want to kill him. Once Luke learns the truth, they tell him his father is past saving. Luke rejects that idea, and it’s Anakin’s attachment to his son that allows him to pull out of the cloak of Vader and defy the Emperor. To me, I feel like Luke wouldn’t really be too happy with his Jedi mentors.

I have no stakes in this, as I've neither seen Mandolorian or Book of Fett, but this is what I hate about almost everything after RotJ that involves Luke. He solves the Jedi/Sith crisis that the PT was all about in RotJ. As you mentioned, the old guard give him a no-win ultimatum: kill Vader and the Emperor or die trying. Luke not only succeeds but he redeems Vader and he does it because it was out of compassion and love for him and his friends. At that moment, he is past the old teachings. His path wasn't like others that came before him, he did not receive "proper" training, and he was firmly emotionally attached to those around him, and he still got the job done. He's not like the old Jedi, he's human.

I don't think Luke would've been upset at either Ben or Yoda---as at this point, Luke is a man---but his experience would've at least proven to him that he can strike out on his own now and doesn't need their guidance any more.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I have no stakes in this, as I've neither seen Mandolorian or Book of Fett, but this is what I hate about almost everything after RotJ that involves Luke. He solves the Jedi/Sith crisis that the PT was all about in RotJ. As you mentioned, the old guard give him a no-win ultimatum: kill Vader and the Emperor or die trying. Luke not only succeeds but he redeems Vader and he does it because it was out of compassion and love for him and his friends. At that moment, he is past the old teachings. His path wasn't like others that came before him, he did not receive "proper" training, and he was firmly emotionally attached to those around him, and he still got the job done. He's not like the old Jedi, he's human.

I don't think Luke would've been upset at either Ben or Yoda---as at this point, Luke is a man---but his experience would've at least proven to him that he can strike out on his own now and doesn't need their guidance any more.

Beautifully put.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

But he’s sooo cute and sells tons of merchandise…

That’s a hairless Mogwai that fell into green paint…

 

[AnubisGuard]

He's not like the old Jedi, he's human.

My pet theory on this is that the divorce during ROTJ broke George, and his former love for Marcia curdled into a resentment that he ever loved her. (Being a child of divorced parents, I speak from some experience here.) Star Wars – which as we know she was originally such a creative influence on – become a proxy for his desire to never have gotten involved with her; basically, the creative team at LucasFilm and us the audience all living inside his bad divorce.

 

[HMSwolfe]

My pet theory on this is that the divorce during ROTJ broke George, and his former love for Marcia curdled into a resentment that he ever loved her. (Being a child of divorced parents, I speak from some experience here.) Star Wars – which as we know she was originally such a creative influence on – become a proxy for his desire to never have gotten involved with her; basically, the creative team at LucasFilm and us the audience all living inside his bad divorce.

That’s a great article you linked, I hadn’t heard about the ending of Raiders before.

 

[Joek3rr]

The thing about Luke, is he's been told to continue the Jedi. Cool. But what are the Jedi? What are the Jedi to Luke? He done dropped out of Jedi school. He's clueless. He's going to struggle with this. The Jedi lost their way, Obi-Wan, and particularly Yoda are very aware of this. I mean look at Yoda teaches Luke. He doesn't teach him how to fight. Or how to use a lightsaber. He teaches him peace and pacifism. He completely dismisses war.

Don't forget orginally, Jedi Masters weren't even to carry lightsabers, that was for Jedi Knights. Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight, and Yoda was a Jedi Master. Masters were supposed to be teachers of wisdom on knowledge, not teachers of Jedi/lightsaber Kung Fu.

It will be interesting to see how they explore Luke trying to make sense of who the Jedi were, and what went wrong. And Ahsoka is the perfect one to give insight.

 

[Kylash]

It's also interesting that Din knows Luke's name now, really wondering if theyre gonna have him slip that to Boba and cause some kind of reaction.

"Where yah been?"

"Oh just went to see Luke Skywalker."

".... >:["

 

[Elevader]

I've already said a bit about Luke's style this episode, so I'll bring up a point on the ending.

I noticed that Ahsoka was the one focused on attachment. She is old school trained and she saw what happened to Anakin, so her view on that makes sense. At the end, I don't remember Luke saying anything specific about Grogu needing to let go of his feelings for Din (if he did, I'm just forgetting it). He sensed the conflict in Grogu during his entire training (even being distracted by frogs, etc) and it seemed like he was giving him a choice on if he even wanted to be a Jedi. He even says to Ashoka that “his heart is not into it”. This directly goes against the old Jedi ways, where they took young kids for training without care. They did not show enough compassion for the life the kid may have had otherwise. Luke was giving Grogu a choice here. Even training Grogu and letting Din visit is a different choice than letting Grogu be with Din and live his life with him. Essentially Luke was recognizing that even though he was gifted, caring about what Grogu wanted was more important.

Edit: Rewatched and Luke does directly mention attachment being against the Jedi way, so there goes that viewpoint. I still feel like Luke is figuring things out as a teacher and teaching what he was taught and not what he has done. But if they don’t develop Luke any further and he just casually pops in, then I agree this would be an odd choice. Keeping my original theory for reference.