The Book of Boba Fett

OH MY GLOB, STOP TALKING FOR FIVE MINUTES AND LET ME CATCH UP!!!! :p

We all believed that Wookies could pull arms from peoples sockets for years without seeing it onscreen...whether or not Han was telling the truth or exaggerating made no difference when it was said...it was even funny to hear. The fact that the Krrsantan did it onscreen, didn't cause the canonite scribes to panic and quickly change the sacred log book to say, "Yep...now that it has been done onscreen it is official canon now"
Guessing you missed a little thing a few years back called "Solo". It's been onscreen canon for a little bit, now.

... & I guess to beat the dead horse I rode into the thread this morning, knowing those things made them more 'enjoyable', but they were NEVER onscreen.

I wonder if there's someone out there wondering what the backstory was that caused him to attack those innocent gamblers?
I too wonder how many people don’t catch on to that stuff..
Me! I had never heard of the Wookie Bounty hunter until that episode.

I had wondered why he came walking from behind the twins, and looking at me like I should recognize him!
It's an ongoing thing I wonder about. Me, I love seeing all the little things from video games, comics, the old West End RPG, etc., show up in live-action. I got the new comics as they were coming out. I got Darth Vader #1 in early 2015. I remember Black Krrsantan. So when I see things like that or the BD, I get a little thrill of recognition, and sometimes anticipation. What's it like for people who just see a new wookiee character, or some new model of droid?

I'm still wondering if the armorer is Rook Kast, the past Maul sympathizer.
I think she was one of the hardliners who stuck with Maul after he killed Pre Viszla, and adopted the Zabrak-style head horns, but not Rook. Rook had a few established traits (killing things, currying Maul's favor, being able to pull off a rescue), but metalworking didn't seem to be her forté. She'd be more like Paz in that covert.

I honestly feel like Fett works better in a group of rag tag characters. Him teaming up with Din in the first place, was magic. He's always had a bounty hunter crew along side him, and started that way as a teen working with Sing. Despite the few scenes in the OG where he's doing his job, he was always in some crew, or appears to be.
See, I have a different picture of him from both the canon material and EU. Clone Wars established that he tried working with some of the bounty hunters his dad knew, because he wasn't full-grown yet, but they kept screwing him over, taking control, driving his plans off a cliff, blowing up his dad's ship, etc. I see him being more a loner after the Clone Wars ended, because he can't count on anyone else.

Here's another one... We know that the Razor Crest was a model ST-70 Assault Vehicle, but it seemed like they were insinuating that the name of a ship & the model were interchangable. He was looking for ANOTHER Razor Crest, not another ST-70.

Really wondered if it was too soften the blow of the FIRESPRAY?
Hmmmm… so are you telling me there’s more then 1 millennium falcon!? ;) lol
There's only one Millennium Falcon -- but lots of YT-1300s. I doubt that freighter ever had even an unofficial model name attached to it. Combat vehicles? Far more likely. Everything from tanks to aircraft have names in addition to model numbers. Frankly, I'm a little annoyed the X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing, and B-Wing don't have anything more creative, like the Z-95 Headhunter, Delta-7 Æthersprite, Alpha-3 Nimbus (V-Wing), and V-19 Torrent all had. The Firespray and Razor Crest are in that family.

It really is truly sad especially where Mando is essentially Boba Fetts character ripped off as a cheap veneer
I think it's sadder that they forgot that's what Boba Fett is. Mysterious Stranger. Man With No Name. Silent But Deadly. Wait...

The guy who worked on it reached out to me awhile ago, I couldn’t believe it. I think his new ride is wicked Sharp

Love the massive engine in the smallest ship possible lol
Did they tell you what was used to mod it?

Yea. Maybe, but go do an eBay search on the Hasbro Naboo Fighters that sold this morning. Tons.
I have one. Also the old ERTL 1:48 snap kit. The Fine Molds one is the one that's harder to find than the Venus de Milo's arms.

If you've been watching BOBF and you haven't watched ESB in a while, pull up a copy of ESB and watch any scene with Fett and try to not see Temuera Morrison as Boba Fett in the movie/in your head, especially if it's an SE or D+ version with Temuera Morrison saying the dialogue.
Not to be negative but his build is totally off from the OT to TBOBF, his body language is off and the voice that has always been associated with Boba Fett is Wingreen's not Morrison's. It's probably impossible to change that but I totally respect the fact it's much easier for others to do so. At this point it's a lost cause for me and many others. Morrison's Fett feels like a different character or a stand in.
I totally get that, but what I mean is when you're watching ESB for entertainment purposes and Fett is on-screen you're probably looking at his helmet not his belt or shoes, just as you would be looking at Lando's face in the same scene and not Lando's belt or shoes- or specifically paying attention to how Lando walks.

I've been watching all the BOBF episodes each week and after todays episode I decided to watch ESB (working from home) and every time Fett was on-screen I immediately saw Temuera in my head, 'seeing' him under the helmet, because I've seen Temuera put on/take off that helmet so many times in the last 4 weeks my brain is 'seeing' his face as Fetts face now.

It's like in ROTJ, I know it's actually Leia disguised as Boushh and I've seen her take off her helmet so many times that when I watch ROTJ anytime Boushh is on-screen I can 'see' Leia as Boushh- I can see her in the costume. Same as Fett now for me.
Nope. I don't see Tem at all in ESB or ROTJ. Jango was much more kinetic. His whole vibe is off for Boba. If I visualize anything inside the helmet (it is his face, after all), it's this:

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So I know I made the comparison of the N-1 Naboo Starfighter to my Stang in terms of impracticality of New ship... but tbh i think I'm still way off.... A mustang is actually rather spacious inside the trunk and back seat area, and while it might not be meant for transporting friends around, if one wanted to totally Mad Max the hell out of the goddamn thing you probably could do a lot worse....
Piffle. Our '66 GT coupé that was our family car while I was growing up was our do-everything-mobile. Grocery store, cross-country trips, camping, roof rack for bicycles, etc. God, I wish twelve-year-old me knew you could keep a car after it had been totaled -- it just needed to be recertified after any repairs... It was supposed to be mine when I turned 16. :(

The N-1 Starfighter on the other hand is really more akin to getting a Ferrari or supercar in its impracticality for Mando's use.. HOW in the hell is he supposed to even Live out of the thing??? or store utilities?? or... well anything besides a single bounty crammed in the droid port like a body stuffed in a suitcase?? Can he even consider getting a new rifle now? I guess that options out?
Where does he sleep? Bathroom? Weapons storge? Food? Water?
You could live out of the Razor crest... You could live out of the Falcon... You could live out of Slave I even...

You CANT live out of a Starfighter anymore than Luke could live out of his X-wing(s)... Starfighters are ships that are inherently tied to planets and motherships by design... Its their one and only design purpose... No amount of modification is going to change this inherent foundational design limitation. That they literally placed Mandos "new" ship next to two more modern contemporary counterparts in the episode for a 'beat the cops' gag where the cops themselves then talk about needing to go 'back to base' should speak volumes about the oversights going on here in the writing all seemingly for a glorified 'but isnt this cool'
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On the ship front, depends where they go with the story. Yeah it needs a base to operate from. Oh like a certain captured imperial ship claimed by Bo Katan maybe :)
That's been a thing in the little corner of the GFFA where the personæ for the costumes I make hang out. My custom Mando has an old Charger-class frigate -- salvaged Clone Wars-era wreck. The ventral escape pods were replaced with shirtsleeve softdocks for a couple of Y-Wings and, later, a salvaged ARC-170 connected to the belly docking collar. The family mobile home, with the craft they ran their jobs in. This is a notion I can very much run with.

I seem to recall Beskar alloys being a thing in Legends. Wasn't Boba's armor not pure Beskar? Somehow you got it explain that dent in his helmet. And they mention when the spear is introduced that it's pure Beskar.
Oh no its definitely in legends since that's where it originated but all of that got the Axe so I thought it was off the table for 'on screen' canon stuff

The nearest I think we ever got to Beskar being established on film in actual Lucas era canon prior to Disneys The Mandalorian finally bringing it back in was [the] cut alternate take on Jangos death where Jango sorta blocks some of Maces strikes before succumbing to the onslaught of the attack when his own damaged jetpack fails to ignite

The way I always understood Beskar in StarWars was that it was the most lightsaber RESISTENT metal in the SW universe, but it wasn't ever meant to be a "hero shield". Just the best and some of the rarest body armor money could buy... But, as evidenced by Bobas armor... Mandos quote from season 1 with Fennec "at this range the beskar held up" it always had limitations to it like any real world armor.

Its one thing that irritates me to no end in TMS2 with them not denting Mandos armor at all regardless of what hits it, be it blaster bolt, lightsaber, or DarkTrooper smashing his head through a ship bulkhead... Beskar went from being simply top quality believable Body armor and has become Captains Americas Vibranium shield... (and yet even Caps shield finally has its structural limitations in later MCU)
I hate indestructible super-metals like adamantium and beskar. Vibranium I like because it at least nulls out the kinetic energy of whatever hits it. Other things, though? I don't care if my Mando armor can take a turbolaser bolt to the chest -- the impact energy is going to translate through, pulp my organs, pulverize my bones, and cook the whole package, even if my flight suit and skin aren't broken. The outer layer should be ablative. Everyone sneers at Boba's "crappy durasteel" armor with all its dents, when it's supposed to deform and dissipate the incoming energy like that. One of the things I loved in the old Marvel comics was the depiction of the pressure suit under what we see in the movies. It's almost like a Star Wars version of a stillsuit, but made out of armorweave or the like, with anti-ballistic gel in the sensitive areas (squishy, but hardens on impact). That's the real Mandalorian armor. The flight suit is to keep it clean, and the flak vest and its plates, and additional ancillary pieces, are there as an outer, ablative first line of defense.

And stainless steel is nice and hard and rust-resistant. My armor is made out of 16-gauge. One of the chest plates accidentally got backed over by a large car after initial forming. It didn't even notice. With padding inside (see the return edges on the original Boba plates) and a quilted flak vest, I can take some pretty substantial hits before I really feel anything.

That said, I still maintain Boba couldn't have been wearing that helmet when it got the dent. Any non-sucky metal is hard enough that an impact that caused a dent like that would've snapped his neck.
 
Regarding the N1, as much as liked what they did with it, I do find it to be an odd choice for someone who's A) A bounty hunter and might need to take back a bounty alive, and B) Has no home base to work out of/from which means he'd have to find/establish some sort of Homebase to work out because you really can't live out of a single seat starfighter.

I think his new ship signifies his bounty hunting days are over, and his next phase of life is upon him. I also have a feeling this show is setting up a more long-term working relationship with Fett, given that Din is now fresh out of a tribe and Boba is trying to start his own. But yeah, Din eventually either needs a bigger ship that he can actually live out of, or a stable base of operations to return to. Boba's palace seems like a likely candidate to me, but we shall see in the coming weeks I'm sure.
 
Whew... haven't jumped in this thread yet. I have thoughts. Chances are they echo some other thoughts, but there's no way I'm reading almost 200 pages just to make sure I don't repeat something, so bear with me.

Book of Boba Fett is one of those unfortunate experiences where I like the IDEA of the show much better than the EXECUTION of the show.

After watching the flashback gimmick of the first episode, the thing I was most afraid of was that this was going to be the formula for the entire series. And as we all now know, that is, indeed, the formula. And it's a huge mistake.

I feel like we have two stories here, each with the potential to be interesting and exciting, and yet every time we jump between timelines it just strips the momentum from both stories. Why they felt they couldn't tell this in a more linear fashion is beyond me, but it would have given them a much better shot at building and maintaining excitement for the long plot, instead of just relying on single instances of per-episode excitement.

Also, as much as I loved this week's Mando episode, it just further epitomizes the questionable storytelling decisions the creative team is making. Based on what I've read the last several pages, this episode left a lot of us scratching our heads and saying "Boba who?" Justifiably so. Even more so than the flashbacks, this episode wiped out any momentum Book of Boba was trying to build. What's worse is the writers have backed themselves into a corner in terms of recovering. They have no choice but to resolve the Boba story they were trying to tell and in doing so now strip away the story momentum they successfully built for Mando.

It's so frustrating seeing so many great ideas get hamstrung by poor storytelling decisions.
 
I assumed because Mando got his jet pack the the Armorer and we always see her working with Beskar, and because his jet pack is shiny silver, that is is made of Beskar.

The question I have is how did Han Solo damage Fetts jet pack so severely with the handle of an electric pike?
We discussed it earlier in the thread but the damage to Fetts pack wasn’t caused by Han, but rather the ******* up on the sailbarge firing the DOOM canon. For whatever reason he shoot’s through bobas jetpack setting it up so Han just hits the exposed internals

The whole skiff Sarlacc battle is just incredibly poorly shot, rushed, and edited like a lot of ROTJ sadly
 
Oh dear, so he is flying around in a
Naboo
starfighter after all? I guess I should reserve judgment until I watch the episode…

...and boy am I glad I did! Wow, wow, wow!

As dumb as that could've easily been, they actually made it work. I can buy it. I loved how even Mando is not even that thrilled with it (presumably in part given the lack of space and living quarters) and general silliness of it, but his mind is quickly changed, just as was mine! I love how Peli at least acknowledges that the ship is rare and unusual. I still wouldn't be surprised if Mando gets another ship down the road as I just don't see how he's gonna hunt bounties in that thing unless he decides to get into another line of work. At least the astromech slot bubble can accomodate Grogu and I guess we can infer Grogu decides to leave Luke. Curious to see what comes of that. Totally think we're gonna see Luke again. I've seen some argue that the ridiculous Vespa hipsters were a nod to George's love of hot-rodding and car culture...but no, the literal hot-rodding of a N-1 Royal Naboo starfighter (complete with tall intake-looking thing in the "hood" and V-8 sounds lol) was a much better and well done nod. Sure it was silly and inherently goofy, but you know what...it totally worked for me. Just the right amount of absurdity mixed with fun and just badassery. I know we were in Mos Eisley but that was the podracing track, wasn't it? I guess Mos Eisley is close to Mos Espa?

And Bryce Dallas Howard did a phenomenal job. I had been one that had not been impressed by her efforts in the first two seasons, but she has truly stepped up and knocked it out of the park with this one. Not only was this easily her best episode, it's one of the best episodes of these Star Wars shows...period. I had almost forgotten how much I'd missed Mando and this cast of characters. Looooved seeing the TIE bombers nuking Mandalore. Was so surprised they were not seen at all in the ST. Also to me the CG was also top notch in this episode, and a step above what we had gotten in the season so far.

The only negative is this all comes at the expense of poor Boba Fett. Mando is just a better Boba Fett than Boba Fett is these days. He's also far more interesting to follow and watch. That's what they've done. This episode highlighted this mightily and was quite the contrast to the BoBF season thus far. Boba Fett got showed up in his own series. It's almost a slap in the face to the character but that's how I see it. A real shame but they've certainly determined that at least "current" Boba Fett just isn't the character I had hoped and wanted him to be since I read about him in the old EU. Instead Mando is muuuuch closer to how I always envisaged Boba Fett. Him chopping that stubborn bounty in half with the saber and later just delivering his head was delicious.

All in all, I adored this episode and just can't find much to fault, beyond it feeling more like Ep1,S3 of The Mandalorian than Ep.5,S1 of The Book of Boba Fett. Time has always been at a premium and one could argue that we probably shouldn't have spent an entire episode dedicated to someone that isn't Boba Fett... but what an episode it was all the same!!!
 
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If I visualize anything inside the helmet (it is his face, after all), it's this:

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That said, I still maintain Boba couldn't have been wearing that helmet when it got the dent. Any non-sucky metal is hard enough that an impact that caused a dent like that would've snapped his neck.

I totally agree. Ever since I saw that pic of Bulloch years ago, I thought that could totally be what Fett really looked like. An unassuming looking guy but one that has the look of not being trifled with.

Also agree about the helmet. Since they've harped about how indestructible beskar is, it's gonna make it quite the tall order to establish what could've possibly caused that dent, not to mention also not killed Fett in the process...unless the helmet at least flew off or wasn't on him at all at the time.
 
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Regarding the N1, as much as liked what they did with it, I do find it to be an odd choice for someone who's A) A bounty hunter and might need to take back a bounty alive, and B) Has no home base to work out of/from which means he'd have to find/establish some sort of Homebase to work out because you really can't live out of a single seat starfighter.
Maybe he’ll get a bigger ship and this fighter can be stored inside it
 
OH MY GLOB, STOP TALKING FOR FIVE MINUTES AND LET ME CATCH UP!!!! :p


Guessing you missed a little thing a few years back called "Solo". It's been onscreen canon for a little bit, now.




It's an ongoing thing I wonder about. Me, I love seeing all the little things from video games, comics, the old West End RPG, etc., show up in live-action. I got the new comics as they were coming out. I got Darth Vader #1 in early 2015. I remember Black Krrsantan. So when I see things like that or the BD, I get a little thrill of recognition, and sometimes anticipation. What's it like for people who just see a new wookiee character, or some new model of droid?


I think she was one of the hardliners who stuck with Maul after he killed Pre Viszla, and adopted the Zabrak-style head horns, but not Rook. Rook had a few established traits (killing things, currying Maul's favor, being able to pull off a rescue), but metalworking didn't seem to be her forté. She'd be more like Paz in that covert.


See, I have a different picture of him from both the canon material and EU. Clone Wars established that he tried working with some of the bounty hunters his dad knew, because he wasn't full-grown yet, but they kept screwing him over, taking control, driving his plans off a cliff, blowing up his dad's ship, etc. I see him being more a loner after the Clone Wars ended, because he can't count on anyone else.



There's only one Millennium Falcon -- but lots of YT-1300s. I doubt that freighter ever had even an unofficial model name attached to it. Combat vehicles? Far more likely. Everything from tanks to aircraft have names in addition to model numbers. Frankly, I'm a little annoyed the X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing, and B-Wing don't have anything more creative, like the Z-95 Headhunter, Delta-7 Æthersprite, Alpha-3 Nimbus (V-Wing), and V-19 Torrent all had. The Firespray and Razor Crest are in that family.


I think it's sadder that they forgot that's what Boba Fett is. Mysterious Stranger. Man With No Name. Silent But Deadly. Wait...


Did they tell you what was used to mod it?


I have one. Also the old ERTL 1:48 snap kit. The Fine Molds one is the one that's harder to find than the Venus de Milo's arms.




Nope. I don't see Tem at all in ESB or ROTJ. Jango was much more kinetic. His whole vibe is off for Boba. If I visualize anything inside the helmet (it is his face, after all), it's this:

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Piffle. Our '66 GT coupé that was our family car while I was growing up was our do-everything-mobile. Grocery store, cross-country trips, camping, roof rack for bicycles, etc. God, I wish twelve-year-old me knew you could keep a car after it had been totaled -- it just needed to be recertified after any repairs... It was supposed to be mine when I turned 16. :(



That's been a thing in the little corner of the GFFA where the personæ for the costumes I make hang out. My custom Mando has an old Charger-class frigate -- salvaged Clone Wars-era wreck. The ventral escape pods were replaced with shirtsleeve softdocks for a couple of Y-Wings and, later, a salvaged ARC-170 connected to the belly docking collar. The family mobile home, with the craft they ran their jobs in. This is a notion I can very much run with.



I hate indestructible super-metals like adamantium and beskar. Vibranium I like because it at least nulls out the kinetic energy of whatever hits it. Other things, though? I don't care if my Mando armor can take a turbolaser bolt to the chest -- the impact energy is going to translate through, pulp my organs, pulverize my bones, and cook the whole package, even if my flight suit and skin aren't broken. The outer layer should be ablative. Everyone sneers at Boba's "crappy durasteel" armor with all its dents, when it's supposed to deform and dissipate the incoming energy like that. One of the things I loved in the old Marvel comics was the depiction of the pressure suit under what we see in the movies. It's almost like a Star Wars version of a stillsuit, but made out of armorweave or the like, with anti-ballistic gel in the sensitive areas (squishy, but hardens on impact). That's the real Mandalorian armor. The flight suit is to keep it clean, and the flak vest and its plates, and additional ancillary pieces, are there as an outer, ablative first line of defense.

And stainless steel is nice and hard and rust-resistant. My armor is made out of 16-gauge. One of the chest plates accidentally got backed over by a large car after initial forming. It didn't even notice. With padding inside (see the return edges on the original Boba plates) and a quilted flak vest, I can take some pretty substantial hits before I really feel anything.

That said, I still maintain Boba couldn't have been wearing that helmet when it got the dent. Any non-sucky metal is hard enough that an impact that caused a dent like that would've snapped his neck.
Wicked post! Lol sorry about that
 
I totally get that, but what I mean is when you're watching ESB for entertainment purposes and Fett is on-screen you're probably looking at his helmet not his belt or shoes, just as you would be looking at Lando's face in the same scene and not Lando's belt or shoes- or specifically paying attention to how Lando walks.

I've been watching all the BOBF episodes each week and after todays episode I decided to watch ESB (working from home) and every time Fett was on-screen I immediately saw Temuera in my head, 'seeing' him under the helmet, because I've seen Temuera put on/take off that helmet so many times in the last 4 weeks my brain is 'seeing' his face as Fetts face now.

It's like in ROTJ, I know it's actually Leia disguised as Boushh and I've seen her take off her helmet so many times that when I watch ROTJ anytime Boushh is on-screen I can 'see' Leia as Boushh- I can see her in the costume. Same as Fett now for me.
Right. What you're saying is true about associating faces with characters under the masks. I see Sebastian Shaw as Vader over Hayden Christensen because that association began earlier in my life and has been there longer. Shaw also as redeemed Anakin for me. Christensen wins out as younger Anakin simply because there isn't anyone else and he looked the part although his acting skills were sub par. But when I think of Vader it's Shaw I see under the mask.

I have a close cosplayer friend who is often Boba Fett and has been doing that long before AOTC. If I was to see anyones face at all as Fett it would be his as that association runs deeper and has been there far longer than Morrison. However most of the time I don't associate a face with Fett as for most of my life he's been a mystery and remains such. If someone great played him and the performance was believable maybe that would change eventually.
 
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There's only one Millennium Falcon -- but lots of YT-1300s. I doubt that freighter ever had even an unofficial model name attached to it. Combat vehicles? Far more likely. Everything from tanks to aircraft have names in addition to model numbers. Frankly, I'm a little annoyed the X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing, and B-Wing don't have anything more creative, like the Z-95 Headhunter, Delta-7 Æthersprite, Alpha-3 Nimbus (V-Wing), and V-19 Torrent all had. The Firespray and Razor Crest are in that family.
Names for military vehicles is not necessarily a given, not everybody out there gives an official name to their military vehicles or even non-military vehicles. I could be mistaken, but to the best of my knowledge, the Soviets/Russians didn't give names to their planes and tanks, the Germans didn't assign names to most of their planes and tanks, it wasn't until the Panther that the Germans started naming their tanks, prior to that it was just Panzerkampwagens I - IV. Then you have modern day airliners which, once again to the best of my knowledge, generally don't have names, just designations like 727, 747, DC-10, A220, and so on.
 
Maybe he’ll get a bigger ship and this fighter can be stored inside it
Possible, but relying on the N-1 as his primary craft would still make bounty hunting a tad difficult since it's a single seat fighter. It would mean that he couldn't take any jobs where it requires to take the bounty back alive, not unless he either leaves Grogu behind or puts him in the cockpit with him and is able to stuff his bounty in the old droid socket. That or he has some sort of trailer attachment that he can add to his N-1 and keep live bounties in that.
 
Possible, but relying on the N-1 as his primary craft would still make bounty hunting a tad difficult since it's a single seat fighter. It would mean that he couldn't take any jobs where it requires to take the bounty back alive, not unless he either leaves Grogu behind or puts him in the cockpit with him and is able to stuff his bounty in the old droid socket. That or he has some sort of trailer attachment that he can add to his N-1 and keep live bounties in that.
Could always get a trailer lol :p
 
Guys I need some help.. I’m having a memory issue. When did the night of a thousand years happen? This was before ANH?
 
Guys I need some help.. I’m having a memory issue. When did the night of a thousand years happen? This was before ANH?

After the events of the Mandalorian Civil War in Rebels, so sometime during the Imperial era. Sabine and Clan Wren led the resistance against the Imperial-backed government of Mandalore, and Bo-Katan was named ruler. Then some time later, the Empire retaliated and pretty much glassed the planet (again).
 
Guys I need some help.. I’m having a memory issue. When did the night of a thousand years happen? This was before ANH?


1 BBY. So right before ANH.

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