the absolute BEST Star Trek tunics ?

[temponaut]

<div class='quotetop'>(phase pistol @ May 21 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]1247787[/snapback]</div>

I think Dr. Helen Noel sets the record for "tightest uniform ever"... :lol

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I was just ogling -- uh, doing further research into -- the uniform worn by Dr. Noel in "Dagger of the Mind." And it occured to me that, while we discussed on the one hand the use of diagonal seams on the front of some uniforms to enable closer fitting dresses on the women, we also noted on the other hand that Dr. Noel's dress is about the tightest, most figure-hugging Starfleet uniform on TOS. It fits her like a glove (and seems to use about the same amount of fabric ).

Yet Dr. Noel's uniform appears to be of the single-seam variety. :confused

This is a costume that was obviously tailored to cling tightly to the figure of Marianna Hill, who played Helen Noel. There must be some extra seams somewhere. Are they running vertically down the left and right sides of her dress, hidden by her arms (and, in the shots above, by shadows)?

Are those seams on the back of her dress, running from the left and right sides of the collar down along the shoulder blades to the small of her back?

One thing's for sure: the tricorder has never made a better looking accessory.

 

[Apollo]

<div class='quotetop'>(temponaut @ May 22 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1248621[/snapback]</div>

One thing's for sure: the tricorder has never made a better looking accessory.
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Yeah. I would have loved to have been that Tricorder. :lol

 

[AshGL1914]

Wow...not that this has anything to do with anything but I just got off the phone with Rick Sternbach. God I'm geeking out here.

John

p.s. Are there any agents or producers in the house? Somebody that has worked on Star Trek for 30 years said that my idea has merrit. Just little chance in an industry designed to say "go away" to everybody. Ok, I'm gonna' go cry now.-J

 

[BrianM]

Contacted Rodd.com, they are still waiting for another shipment of TOS skant patterns.

Anybody else got one???

 

[GeneralMayhem]

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ewwww thats panne velour also known as crushed velour looks cool but not for tos shirts.
has anyone made a shirt with a velour collar? there is a few pics of these shirts in the book TMOST especially a close up of nimoy. I had done this for a while as it is more comfortable and the skin
charlie
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The first shirt I made back in High School had a black velour collar. Comfortable, but hardly accurate.


~ GM




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Yet Dr. Noel's uniform appears to be of the single-seam variety. :confused

This is a costume that was obviously tailored to cling tightly to the figure of Marianna Hill, who played Helen Noel. There must be some extra seams somewhere. Are they running vertically down the left and right sides of her dress, hidden by her arms (and, in the shots above, by shadows)?

Are those seams on the back of her dress, running from the left and right sides of the collar down along the shoulder blades to the small of her back?
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As someone who drafts patterns, I can tell you it's not a matter of how many seams there are, but what shape the pattern pieces are, and how they are eased together that create a shape that can hug the body.

 

[AshGL1914]

Of course when someone does finaly order a TOS uniform dress, are you also going to make the matching panti...err...bottoms?

 

[GeneralMayhem]

Yes, they're part of the costume.

 

[phase pistol]

<div class='quotetop'>(temponaut @ May 22 2006, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1248621[/snapback]</div>

There must be some extra seams somewhere. Are they running vertically down the left and right sides of her dress, hidden by her arms (and, in the shots above, by shadows)?
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Well even in the "single obvious seam" dress, where the seam (and presumably the zipper) run from left shoulder to the waist, there are of course other seams. I think we're aware of that large vertical seam because of the presence of the zipper beneath it.

(you can also see the red zipper pull on the Yeoman's shoulder there too)

The other seams are hard to see... but here for instance you can see a seam on Uhura's forearm, running all the way up to the top of her right shoulder.

- k

 

[phase pistol]

OK getting back to the men's outfits for a second...

I see in "Shore Leave" we get an excellent view of the uniforms. Kirk here for example seems to have a very clean, fresh shirt. He's being lit by natural outdoor light. So this may give some insight into the "true" color of the material.

Now it does look green, doesn't it. :lol

I would hasten to add that there's a lot of blue light coming from the bright sky, note how blue the rocks in the background look for example. There's also blue on the phaser and communcator metal parts. So in outdoor sunlight, yeah maybe the color tends toward green. Indoors on the set, the incandescent studio lights lend a warmer tone to the color.

Here you see the seams under the arm very clearly as well. And check out the braid. It's the "tight" early-first season spacing.

This leads me to a "theory of braid placement"...

It seems that there are two DELIBERATE styles of dash placement going on, at least in the first season.

EARLY in the first season, they're putting the "dashes" as close together as they are in the full stripes. That is to say, the "dashes" row is just the same as the solid braid stripe but with the "S"-shapes cut away.

Later, as shown in "This Side of Paradise", they're moving the dashes to one-dash-width apart. This is IMHO is as far apart as the dashes can get, and still look good.

By the later seasons (as in this grab from "Elaan of Troyius" in the third season), they're trying to get by with as few dashes as possible. It looks kind of lame IMHO.

And yet that's the spacing you have if you use the Rodd.com braid kit. :lol

- k

 

[Treadwell]

Nice notes about the colors, but keep in mind that even when on location, huge artificial lights are used.

 

[phase pistol]

Perhaps the uniforms are green due to playful rolling around on the grass before shooting started.

- k

 

[Roger Ramjet]

Like right after the fight scene with Fennigen? :eek

 

[BrianM]

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Nice notes about the colors, but keep in mind that even when on location, huge artificial lights are used.
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Finally something I know about.

You can never ever get accurate colors from a TOS screen cap. No matter what the light.

Costumes were shot on film negative. There is a color balance step when they print it to positive film. They always use face color to balance and let the rest of the colors drift where they may.

Then the film is “scanned “ to NTSC video that’s a Y, CR, CB color space that can not reproduce all the colors that film can, so there is some shifting.

Then you capture that into a computer that is in RGB color and there is another shift.

THEN you look at it on your un-calibrated computer monitor.

I guarantee no two of you are even seeing the same color as you look at the above pictures. DonÂ’t believe me, shoot a picture of any yellow/green fabric and scan it, then hold it up to your monitor and tell me the colors are the sameÂ…

The only way to get close is if you have a set shot slide or access to the original neg film.

Of course there is always access to original costumes but we all know they looked different when shot on film and transferred to TV. I have a Adam season 3 tunic made from fabric died by the same people that did the originals to the same specs, and everybody says “hey that’s too green.”

Pick a color that looks right to you and go with it.

 

[nwjedidave]

MEDIUM SPACING FOR THE WIN ......

karl -- great work bro...

i'm thinking that maybe i can take the dashes abit further...
i might be drawing up a diagram if i can get an answer to this question ---

my wrist measurement is 8" so when getting a tunic made that means the cuffs around the wrist are going to be what measurement?

how much do you add for "comfort" with an 8" measured wrist ?

dave

 

[GeneralMayhem]

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my wrist measurement is 8" so when getting a tunic made that means the cuffs around the wrist are going to be what measurement?

how much do you add for "comfort" with an 8" measured wrist ?

dave
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Assuming you don't want it "skin tight", add about 1.5" to 2" for comfort.


~ GM

 

[nwjedidave]

thanks GM..

NOT knowing how much extra to add i quickly made up this comparison.... (i was thining that 1/4" wouldn't be skin tight, but keep the tunic close to the wrist like the original series... but then again i know nothing about custom sewing .. )

i prefer the extra hints of the 4th dash.... i'll work on a phase pistol type of diagram... hee hee

NWJEDI
dave

 

[phase pistol]

I'm flattered but I don't think you can "preview" the dashes too accurately by photoshopping something off of my "plan view" diagram... plus everything's relative, I have no idea if the braid being used on the replica shirts is exactly the same size as the original braid, and a million other caveats.

The model for "Medium Spacing" is the grab of Kirk operating the Transporter from "This Side of Paradise"... I'm sure there's some velour shrinking going on as well (the braid looks pretty ragged in that shot), so some dimensions might be a little off... My diagram shows it "idealized" a bit but still looking very accurate.

- k

 

[BrianM]

Here is a shot of my Adam shirt. Don't know if this helps, maybe it's just showing off. The quality is just stunning. Too bad these aren't made any more.

Still digging for my cage costume.

 

[nwjedidave]

very nice brian. thx for sharing ..

"the one that got away."

should'a got one of adam's when i had the chance ..

is the side gusset doubled? i would assume it would be with all the research adam seemed to have done...


dave

 

[phase pistol]

All you need is some rock salt spilling out of the cuffs and collar...


- k