Egon Spengler
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And this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. This makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm glad it wasn't in the film. It would have been one more thing to make it even worse than it already turned out to be.
Superman Returns - opening Deleted scene - Return to Krypton
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And this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. This makes absolutely no sense at all. I'm glad it wasn't in the film. It would have been one more thing to make it even worse than it already turned out to be.
MooMooEgg
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It was pretty cool, but like others said, I don't think it would fit the film since Returns is pretty much a sequel to the Donner films and Krypton was COMPLETELY eradicated in Superman: The Movie.
However, it would have been an awesome scene if this was used in a reboot with a revamped origin/destruction of Krypton story (Like if the red sun's explosion only shattered the planet [due to distance or something] instead of fully pulverizing it. :unsure
However, it would have been an awesome scene if this was used in a reboot with a revamped origin/destruction of Krypton story (Like if the red sun's explosion only shattered the planet [due to distance or something] instead of fully pulverizing it. :unsure
Yeah the giant S doesn't make sense. In the book he actually finds ruins of buildings including an area showing the family crests of everyone on that council you see in the first movie. This is nowhere as interesting as that. I also agree that unless krypton was extremely far from that sun it probably would have all blown out into space totally. Actually is it me or does Singer's version of the planet being destroyed look way different than Donner's, not just effects wise but just the type of disaster. i think the Donner one would have more credence in maybe part of the planet surviving but even at that wouldn't it be thrown out into space too?
Yeah - not bad at all! Shame he has no autopilot, as well as the radiation shielding thing. Slightly predictable, that kryptonite issue, I'd have thought.
How does that even happen? I mean outside of Flash Gordon? The planet blew to tiny pieces but a major part of the crust stays intact, even though everything under it is gone?
So, the law of gravity has been suspended? That's enough mass left over to collapse into a good-sized asteroid. What's prevented that?
There are scientific theories about planets blowing up? :lol There's nothing specifically on that because we don't know of anything that would cause a planet to spontaneously explode, but gravity does cover the results if it should happen for some reason. BTW gravity affects orbits but isn't caused by a planet's orbit, it is caused by the planet's mass.
To explode a planet you have to overcome its "binding energy", which is also a figure dependant on its mass and density. Injecting more energy than the planet's binding energy will make it come apart. How MUCH more determines how fast it comes apart; for example a Death Star pumps out many multiples of a planet's binding energy in one shot. (The Star Wars Technical Commentary pages have a good discussion of this.)
Depending on the amount of material that has reached escape velocity. What might fall back might eventually create a new body the size of an asteroid, or the moon, or something like that. It won't collapse half-way then stop and form a magic suspended shell the same size as the original planet, it'll form a solid body.
Yeah. Something about as big as Mars.
The orbit is a separate thing, some debris of the planet could still pull back together, just not as shown in the film - that would be magic. But a star blowing up should evaporate an Earthlike planet completely.
There were ruins too, did you spot them? What WAS that giant S thing meant to be about anyway?
SmilingOtter
Master Member
The planetary shields absorbed enough of the blast so that it was "only" shattered rather than completely shredded.
Contec
Master Member
Supermans Home....S marks the spot.
misterfusion
Sr Member
It was as long and dull and pointless as the 10 minutes we spent flying over V'ger, alternating with shots of StarFleet's finest gawking slack-jawed at the main viewscreen on the Bridge...
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
If Superman was back home, why was green kryptonite hurting him?
BoozeBeGood
Sr Member
Wow I had no idea this was ever filmed. I agree, didn't add much but I'm sure that cost a lot to do....shoulda put that in the film!
I think it was neat to see but I agree with the Vger comment. There was no substance to it and the S logo was "odd". If he could have gone back to his fathers lab, maybe recovered some video of the last moments or a new message, could have been better. Could Jorel know the council was going to send enforcement for his power usage in the effort that he and his wife might survive as hinted in the movie by being imprisoned in the phantom zone... Where were they really running to , he obviously was not resolved to die in the final destruction happening around them... The Kryptonite also just did not make sense, they needed to add some reasoning behind that as well. Was it a Brainiac plot to somehow destroy Krypton?. They could have made something of those plot lines. So much potential lost.... at least 10 million bucks worth.
Can someone explain WHY this was even done?
Was the fact that it was sort of a Donner sequel not the original intent of the film?
Maybe this was done before they decided to make it such.
It make ZERO sense to have Krypton.
(BTW, does everyone hear Chris Reeve spelling Krypton whenever they type it, I do)
Was the fact that it was sort of a Donner sequel not the original intent of the film?
Maybe this was done before they decided to make it such.
It make ZERO sense to have Krypton.
(BTW, does everyone hear Chris Reeve spelling Krypton whenever they type it, I do)
misterfusion
Sr Member
:thumbsup
Interesting,never was a big enough Superman fan to get all this,which leads me to a couple of questions maybe a fan can answer...
What's the deal with the "S" anyway? is it a family crest as has been said? what's it mean?
Why didn't a Green Lantern intervene in some way? and why,if anything,didn't Superman just go visit Oa and talk to the Elders? if anybody would have a record of Kypton blowing up and the aftermath it'd be the Corps.
That's the problem with American comics-way too many characters and they're supposed to be tied all together,leads to some wild gaps.....
What's the deal with the "S" anyway? is it a family crest as has been said? what's it mean?
Why didn't a Green Lantern intervene in some way? and why,if anything,didn't Superman just go visit Oa and talk to the Elders? if anybody would have a record of Kypton blowing up and the aftermath it'd be the Corps.
That's the problem with American comics-way too many characters and they're supposed to be tied all together,leads to some wild gaps.....
Jack T Chance
Sr Member
You do realize, of course, that the continuity of the Superman movies is its own, separate from the comics, right?
As has often been the case with superhero movies, the producers ONLY had the rights to Superman and his supporting cast. As far as the movies were concerned, there is NO DC Universe... no Batman, no Wonder Woman, no Green Lantern, no Justice League... just Superman. That would make it very hard for him to do what you're suggesting.
Besides - Green Lantern may be a little too busy to help out some guy who decided to take a walk down memory lane - a memory lane packed with the one substance that can KILL HIM.
Plus it would depend on which Lantern if they did have rights to it. If it's that jerk one with the haircut like Moe from the three stooges he'd be off getting drunk instead of helping.
I do know about the movie/rights thing,but I'm asking of the comics,also Earth's Lantern probably wouldn't have anything to do with Krypton,but I have no clue what sector it's in and who'd be watching over it.
I do recall Superman's home world mentioned somewhere in a GL comic.
I do recall Superman's home world mentioned somewhere in a GL comic.
In the original comics everyone on Krypton had superpowers without even needing to be launched to Earth - that means if the Death Star would have tried to blast Krypton it would simply bounce right off and slam into Earth at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
The more I learn about Superman Returns, the more I get the impression that Bryan Singer had a total change of heart about it. I remember watching some behind the scenes footage of Bryan literally showing off to the world how much he loves Superman, yet after the film came out, he's been more silent about it than David Fincher has been about Alien3.
This may be a stretch, but why else would he not do a commentary for this film he poured so much work into? He's done commentaries for The Usual Suspects, the first two X-Men movies, but not this $200+ million dollar movie?
This may be a stretch, but why else would he not do a commentary for this film he poured so much work into? He's done commentaries for The Usual Suspects, the first two X-Men movies, but not this $200+ million dollar movie?
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