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So, what was different about the Director's Cut that landed on DVD and Blu-ray? Did it do anything to change or otherwise improve the story the way other director's cuts have?
Sucker Punch: The worst movie I've seen in the last five years!
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I assumed this movie was a waste considering the lack of any buzz surrounding it when it came out. That's usually a good sign no one really cares...
TallDarkandDisfigured
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It didn't really do anything to enhance the story or flow. It had a few extended dancing scenes (none for BabyDoll).
I loved this flick, just a cool B grade flick with "A" Grade special effects. But some of the films I love would make others want to puke.. so I don't force it on anyone. Then again I loved Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen..
dstilgar
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I don't think Sucker Punch was awful, but it didn't live up to its potential at all. This is coming from someone who knew that the movie was going to have lots of very well done special effects, guns, dragons, zombies, etc., as well as beautiful women in short skirts and low cut tops.
On the subject of objectifying women, I think that as a man that I don't really get to have much of an opinion on it. People (humans) in general love to see a virtuoso performance. Most people don't have an impressive body or particularly beautiful face. I consider having and tone, fit, thin body a type of virtuoso performance. I am just as impressed with Brad Pitt's shirtless physique in Fight Club as I am of thin, fit women bearing their midriffs and wearing short skirts.
I think women in the US (and other westernized countries) are more free than they have ever been. The women who choose to bare all in the movies probably feel that it is their freedom to do so and they they are choosing to express themselves in that way, and are in many cases compensated very highly for doing so. Many actresses have refused to do any of those scenes, but are still A-list stars. Of those we have Zoey Deschanel, Natalie Portman and Amy Adams, who have yet to bare all on screen and probably never will, but have nonetheless made it to what I consider the top tier of stardom, and I respect them all the more for never having done such scenes.
Saying that women should respect themselves and stay covered up is as much a form of oppression as telling them they must show some breast or they will never make it. I'm not saying that there aren't societal pressures on women to conform one way or another, but there have always been these sorts of pressures, to some degree or another, on both men and women to fulfill their expected roles.
Back on Sucker Punch, this movie was not a "thinking man's" movie at all. The symbolism was heavy handed, mostly to compensate for how weak it really was. The ending was not good. I'm someone who loves the unexpected ending. I believe Friday Night Lights is one of the best sports movies ever made for that reason. I believe the ending of I Am Legend ruined an otherwise great movie. But a movie's ending should be the poetic last stanza to the rest of the film. Sucker Punch failed in this way. Had Babydoll gotten away in the end and lived to see the asylum destroyed, then we would have had a much better ending to a movie about oppressed women overcoming adversity. As it stands, it's a movie about how "many women have to suffer, oh yeah, and sometimes if many of the other women die or are left powerless for the rest of their existence, one woman can escape, but she has to live in secret and hide, so she never really overcame the adversity now did she?"
On the subject of objectifying women, I think that as a man that I don't really get to have much of an opinion on it. People (humans) in general love to see a virtuoso performance. Most people don't have an impressive body or particularly beautiful face. I consider having and tone, fit, thin body a type of virtuoso performance. I am just as impressed with Brad Pitt's shirtless physique in Fight Club as I am of thin, fit women bearing their midriffs and wearing short skirts.
I think women in the US (and other westernized countries) are more free than they have ever been. The women who choose to bare all in the movies probably feel that it is their freedom to do so and they they are choosing to express themselves in that way, and are in many cases compensated very highly for doing so. Many actresses have refused to do any of those scenes, but are still A-list stars. Of those we have Zoey Deschanel, Natalie Portman and Amy Adams, who have yet to bare all on screen and probably never will, but have nonetheless made it to what I consider the top tier of stardom, and I respect them all the more for never having done such scenes.
Saying that women should respect themselves and stay covered up is as much a form of oppression as telling them they must show some breast or they will never make it. I'm not saying that there aren't societal pressures on women to conform one way or another, but there have always been these sorts of pressures, to some degree or another, on both men and women to fulfill their expected roles.
Back on Sucker Punch, this movie was not a "thinking man's" movie at all. The symbolism was heavy handed, mostly to compensate for how weak it really was. The ending was not good. I'm someone who loves the unexpected ending. I believe Friday Night Lights is one of the best sports movies ever made for that reason. I believe the ending of I Am Legend ruined an otherwise great movie. But a movie's ending should be the poetic last stanza to the rest of the film. Sucker Punch failed in this way. Had Babydoll gotten away in the end and lived to see the asylum destroyed, then we would have had a much better ending to a movie about oppressed women overcoming adversity. As it stands, it's a movie about how "many women have to suffer, oh yeah, and sometimes if many of the other women die or are left powerless for the rest of their existence, one woman can escape, but she has to live in secret and hide, so she never really overcame the adversity now did she?"
StevenRogers84
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(I think women in the US (and other westernized countries) are more free than they have ever been. The women who choose to bare all in the movies probably feel that it is their freedom to do so and they they are choosing to express themselves in that way, and are in many cases compensated very highly for doing so. Many actresses have refused to do any of those scenes, but are still A-list stars. Of those we have Zoey Deschanel, Natalie Portman and Amy Adams, who have yet to bare all on screen and probably never will, but have nonetheless made it to what I consider the top tier of stardom, and I respect them all the more for never having done such scenes.)
Natalie Portman, watch the hole and domino.
Amy Adams watch The Fighter.
Dunno About zoey deschanel, but it is only a matter of time.
Natalie Portman, watch the hole and domino.
Amy Adams watch The Fighter.
Dunno About zoey deschanel, but it is only a matter of time.
ShadowX81
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Its not so much that I feel they shouldnt have the freedom to embrace and flaunt thier sexuality, its the hypocracy in the idea that in order for them to take control of thier lives and find inner strength they need to.
Its basically telling women that this is the only tool that they have.
That idea is what put me off to this movie.
More free? Yes. But it wasn't easy. Egyptian women had more rights in the BCs than American women did less than a century ago.
The Hole and Domino? That's Keira Knightley Steven. And Zoey Deschanel was really on par with Amy Adams for her role in "Almost Famous".
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TallDarkandDisfigured
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They do, I suppose that's why they cast Keira as Sabe in Episode 1...
Now I've totally lost my train of thought.. mmm.. Keira Knightley...:love
Now I've totally lost my train of thought.. mmm.. Keira Knightley...:love
Wow. What a white knight, eh? I bet the sisterhood is ever so grateful for support from a man.
Yes it is, but all of the women involved have willingly chosen to present themselves as sexual objects. They are free to do so if they wish. The film appears to have begun as a piece blatantly pandering to the hetero male 15-25yo demographic. The marketing is appropriate for product in that bracket. Are we going to ban product in that bracket?
Alarming. Wow. Because it's such a new development, I guess. I mean it's not as if people were carving exagerrated female figurines thirty thousand years ago. Oh, wait...
White knighting some more. It's a form of sexism in itself, you know.
THANK YOU!!!!
Exactly my reaction.It may be hypocritical garbage but it works very well within a certain demographic. Look at half of all pop music videos. I'm willing to bet that with a few bits of script doctoring and if they'd kept the original upbeat ending, this film would have done a lot better than it did.
Our primate social dynamics and sociobiology dictate a lot of our behaviour. Humans of both genders have an urge towards sexual competition and display, but most if not all human ethnic groups are physically much more sexually dimorphic than most other mammal species. (For example, most people don't even twig that my dog is female from her pink collar.)
In most ethnic groups women are the clear display gender and if you rail against movies like this, you're essentially railing against biology.
All that said, I'm not defending being tacky about it. :lol
Try telling that to the Slutwalk girls...
The movie I saw Keira in was 'The Jacket' with Adrian Brody.
And it was Kate Hudson in 'Almost Famous'.
If you really want to get thick into the thinking process, she escaped in one, of a possible two ways.
For instance lobotomies where common place in this time period to calm those believed to be sick, and unfortunately not sick. Therefore by performing this crazy treatment, it really did free her of her torments. Sad, but in a twisted way effective....
Second scenario....what if the other girls were part of multiple personalities ( yea its a stretch, but just thinkin! ) not only in the imaginary world, but the real world. Each girl had certain personalities, that show how each is different. Therefore showing some truth to this factor. So that means the real "babydoll" is a personality, not a real person. The real person is " Sweet Pea " who escapes. Then boards the bus with the help of the " Wiseman ". Which if you notice is an angel. When she boards the bus, if you watch closely, you will see one of the British soldiers from the WW1 steampunk solders scene. Could the whole bus be filled with people, who the " Wiseman " chooses to tell there stories, and better their situation? Just a few ideas! Either way I think " Sweet Pea " was going to be the one to shut down the asylum, when she returned home. That's where the angel fits in, and a sacrifice is made.
For instance lobotomies where common place in this time period to calm those believed to be sick, and unfortunately not sick. Therefore by performing this crazy treatment, it really did free her of her torments. Sad, but in a twisted way effective....
Second scenario....what if the other girls were part of multiple personalities ( yea its a stretch, but just thinkin! ) not only in the imaginary world, but the real world. Each girl had certain personalities, that show how each is different. Therefore showing some truth to this factor. So that means the real "babydoll" is a personality, not a real person. The real person is " Sweet Pea " who escapes. Then boards the bus with the help of the " Wiseman ". Which if you notice is an angel. When she boards the bus, if you watch closely, you will see one of the British soldiers from the WW1 steampunk solders scene. Could the whole bus be filled with people, who the " Wiseman " chooses to tell there stories, and better their situation? Just a few ideas! Either way I think " Sweet Pea " was going to be the one to shut down the asylum, when she returned home. That's where the angel fits in, and a sacrifice is made.
....what are you talking about? There was more than one female character in Almost Famous.
ModernDayMarc
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The film was doomed no matter what because it was made for the geek demographic - and it's been proven the comic con crowd has the lowest attention span than any other. You can sing Sucker Punch all day but the minute a 2 second clip from Iron Man 3 or Star Wars Ep 7 pops up online, focus has shifted - they may still go see Sucker Punch, but they aren't as devoted as they were a week ago. Return business suffers from this most of all- why go see Sucker Punch again when 3 new movies have opened that you want to see RIGHT NOW.
And Portman was almost naked in the Professional for ******'s sake. She was bare butt in that movie with Jason Swartzman and I can't remember the name of this one either- but she was a stripper in another film where her jug slipped and joined the conversation. Amy Adams did a ***** flick and was nude in Psycho Beach Party, one of her first films after being a Hooters waitress.
And Portman was almost naked in the Professional for ******'s sake. She was bare butt in that movie with Jason Swartzman and I can't remember the name of this one either- but she was a stripper in another film where her jug slipped and joined the conversation. Amy Adams did a ***** flick and was nude in Psycho Beach Party, one of her first films after being a Hooters waitress.
According to someone who posted in the original thread on it here, yes.
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