Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

It's quite easy. Palpatine could be like "I was preparing for this day since before the Death Star was finished." Or something like that. Sweet, quick, and efficent. Our imaginations/other material can fill out the details. I mean we're talking about a guy who destroyed the Republic and the Jedi from the inside. A plan that was decades in the making. To think he would not have a backup plan for his apprentice trying to off him, just doesn't make sense.
His plan failed at the end of ROTJ, nobody leaving the theater assumed he had survived...it wouldn't make sense. So he'll be "destroyed" again in this movie... until LF needs a cash infusion and they bring him back.
They have a "lack of vision" at the new LFL, luckily they don't have to pay the price for it! :lol:
 
After a quick look through recent posts in this thread, it looks like no one has posted this spoiler photo yet.

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The thing about the ancillary material is that it was supposed to fill in the gaps around the main story, delve into specific characters, tackle things that work better in prose than live-action or animated. It shouldn't be changing up the model in which the story is presented by splitting it between media. As has been pointed out, there are enough people -- even serious fans -- who don't and/or can't follow all the ancillary stuff that comes out, or who don't even know it exists, which can only hurt audience numbers over time.
How is it possible that I've seen every SW film except Solo and never heard of Palpatine's contingency plan? I assume it's from the EU but it seems like a major plot point to toss in to the final film without any reference for the audience.
There's a lot, none from the films. Late Clone Wars introduced the "Force Tree" at the heart of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant -- apparently grown from a cutting from the one at the first Jedi Temple (seen in TLJ). Shattered Empire (comic miniseries) and Aftermath (novel trilogy) both start during the Battle of Endor, and follow their respective arcs forward into the weeks and months following. The former covers Operation Cinder and Luke recovering the remaining two cuttings of the Coruscant Tree from an Imperial research facility. One he takes with for when he founds his training center, the other he gives to Poe's mom (who volunteered for the mission) to plant where their family settled near the Yavin IV ruins. The latter, the other side of the Contingency, with the Emperor's protegé briefing Sloane on the plan and the preparations that had already been underway since Palpatine was Chancellor.

More got added in dribs and drabs in things like the campaign storyline of Battlefront 2 and a few other novels set between ROTJ and TFA, even if it wasn't the main focus.
His plan failed at the end of ROTJ, nobody leaving the theater assumed he had survived.
Ah, that would be why it's called a contingency. ;) Plan for the worst-case scenario. One of the things about Operation Cinder is a corollary to the wiping out. The officers who received the orders from Palpatine's droid messengers also disseminated the orders that to say the Emperor was dead was treason for repeating Rebel propaganda. I wonder how much of that was an additional culling of the easily-swayed... as the Emperor actually wasn't dead -- or, at least, had some method planned to return. We'll hopefully find out in a couple months.
 
I'm hoping this isn't the episodic end and that there are more going forward, and that this is just the end of the "Skywalker" story like they've been saying. I really don't know how they're going to wrap all this up in 2 hours and 15 minutes (or whatever it is) and needs more after the lack of space/growth/progress between episodes 7 and 8.
 
The thing about the ancillary material is that it was supposed to fill in the gaps around the main story, delve into specific characters, tackle things that work better in prose than live-action or animated. It shouldn't be changing up the model in which the story is presented by splitting it between media. As has been pointed out, there are enough people -- even serious fans -- who don't and/or can't follow all the ancillary stuff that comes out, or who don't even know it exists, which can only hurt audience numbers over time.

There's a lot, none from the films. Late Clone Wars introduced the "Force Tree" at the heart of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant -- apparently grown from a cutting from the one at the first Jedi Temple (seen in TLJ). Shattered Empire (comic miniseries) and Aftermath (novel trilogy) both start during the Battle of Endor, and follow their respective arcs forward into the weeks and months following. The former covers Operation Cinder and Luke recovering the remaining two cuttings of the Coruscant Tree from an Imperial research facility. One he takes with for when he founds his training center, the other he gives to Poe's mom (who volunteered for the mission) to plant where their family settled near the Yavin IV ruins. The latter, the other side of the Contingency, with the Emperor's protegé briefing Sloane on the plan and the preparations that had already been underway since Palpatine was Chancellor.

More got added in dribs and drabs in things like the campaign storyline of Battlefront 2 and a few other novels set between ROTJ and TFA, even if it wasn't the main focus.

Ah, that would be why it's called a contingency. ;) Plan for the worst-case scenario. One of the things about Operation Cinder is a corollary to the wiping out. The officers who received the orders from Palpatine's droid messengers also disseminated the orders that to say the Emperor was dead was treason for repeating Rebel propaganda. I wonder how much of that was an additional culling of the easily-swayed... as the Emperor actually wasn't dead -- or, at least, had some method planned to return. We'll hopefully find out in a couple months.

Very true. Maybe it's just me but I just don't see how you can cram 30 years of history in your first film, and lesser extents in the next two. Unless you do some sort of LotR prologue.

Plus if they are to do a kind of Serial format, isn't each story only kinda loosely connected? I'm mean I think of Star Trek or Flash Gordon. You could watch an episode right smack dab in the middle of the season, and not be completely lost.
 
Does anybody even get that feeling of a Lived in Universe anymore? Like these are things that could actually happen?
That’s probably my favorite part of the OT is how real and believable it all is...
Even TFA felt like this for its first half... but TLJ and pretty much all the fantastical stuff in this trailer? It just seams soooo... idk... unbelievable I guess? Its just too far of a stretch from reality?
*Defeated sigh...*
 
Does anybody even get that feeling of a Lived in Universe anymore? Like these are things that could actually happen?
That’s probably my favorite part of the OT is how real and believable it all is...
Even TFA felt like this for its first half... but TLJ and pretty much all the fantastical stuff in this trailer? It just seams soooo... idk... unbelievable I guess? Its just too far of a stretch from reality?
*Defeated sigh...*
I for one do.
 
Very true. Maybe it's just me but I just don't see how you can cram 30 years of history in your first film, and lesser extents in the next two. Unless you do some sort of LotR prologue.

Plus if they are to do a kind of Serial format, isn't each story only kinda loosely connected? I'm mean I think of Star Trek or Flash Gordon. You could watch an episode right smack dab in the middle of the season, and not be completely lost.

You don't have to do that and you can't. But...

You have the crawl. You can paint the past of a couple people with a sentence apiece. While i am NOT saying they should have added this, you can say things like "Luke Skywalker, who led a resurgence of Jedi Knights and had an illustrious career since the battle of Endor, has disappeared." Again, not saying that SHOULD have been it, but you can do that to show someone did well in that span.

In ESB i think, Han references a close call they had somewhere. Elsewhere, i think ROTJ, lando references the battle of tanaab. Simple things like that. All we knew of Lando prior was he ran Cloud City, and what happened in ESB. That throwaway line tells you he did very well in a battle since that time frame.

In the case of Luke, nothing was said about his past really other than Kylo destroyed the academy and luke quit on the galaxy. If you watch the movies only, that all you know of luke city the end of ROTJ. Mistake.

You get a little more, but not much on Han/Leia. You can extrapolate there was a wedding and they had a kid who was sent to train with luke and we know what happened there and they subsequently broke up. Again, that's all we're told onscreen. There was not a single positive reference to the three of them for those 30 years.

Yeah, from what i gathered the ancilliary stuff had a number of highlights for them, but the movies don't reference a bit of it. 99% of the movie audience sees the movies only. You can use that stuff to expound upon things, but not replace what needs to be done on screen. It's where saying they actually did things in those 30 years falls completely apart. You can't expect your audience do anything except watch the movie.

A good analogy for the ancilliary material would be shadows of the empire. A lot of people liked that. It sandwiched in between ESB and ROTJ i think. It was written well after the fact, but it expanded upon what we knew in an uncovered time frame, but it had zero bearing on ROTJ. That's what ancilliary material should be. Nice background, but if you do not know it even exists, it makes no difference in how you watch the next flick in the series. It's not the case here.

Personally, i think they're trying to do too much with these things. You can't cover the ground they are and claim you're tying up all three trilogies (they simply can't), and say it's the end of the skywalker saga. It's simply too much. Or at least, too much for those running the show. If you want to do that, you need to carefully map the whole thing out a head of time which wasn't done. Maybe there were broad strokes, but it wasn't a detailed map. You can weave all that in a 6-7 hour span without a detailed plan. They should have had the originals make a cameo or two in TFA and go from there and not get caught up in doing too much. You can let the past lie without killing it off to borrow from their vernacular.
 
Weren't these new movies supposed to be about a new crop of heroes?
With the OT heroes just there to pass the baton?
Why is this suddenly "the end of the Skywalker saga"?
Is it damage control to try to get us OT fans who hated TLJ back in the theater?
Am I misremembering? I thought Disney/LFL made it abundantly clear this trilogy wasn't about Luke and Leia.
Now all of a sudden it is.
Is this not rubbing anyone else the wrong way?
 
Does anybody even get that feeling of a Lived in Universe anymore? Like these are things that could actually happen?
That’s probably my favorite part of the OT is how real and believable it all is...
Even TFA felt like this for its first half... but TLJ and pretty much all the fantastical stuff in this trailer? It just seams soooo... idk... unbelievable I guess? Its just too far of a stretch from reality?
*Defeated sigh...*
I’ve been feeling the same way, about all of the production design and visuals of the ST. Rogue One and Solo didn’t have any of this, which I thought were better visually. But the ST feels like a comic book movie. Like, in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, there’s a spaceport inside of the skull of a giant alien. I’m fine with that in that movie/universe, because it’s a goofy comic book movie. But SW has always felt more grounded and lived in. Now all the ships and guns feel like they’ve been designed by Nerf, and all the locations look straight out of Ragnarok or Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
Weren't these new movies supposed to be about a new crop of heroes?
With the OT heroes just there to pass the baton?
Why is this suddenly "the end of the Skywalker saga"?
Is it damage control to try to get us OT fans who hated TLJ back in the theater?
Am I misremembering? I thought Disney/LFL made it abundantly clear this trilogy wasn't about Luke and Leia.
Now all of a sudden it is.
Is this not rubbing anyone else the wrong way?

It's not about Luke and Leia. But there's a third-generation Skywalker, his name is Ben Solo. He's the grandson of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One.
The PT was about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. The OT was about his kids and his redemption. And the ST is about his grandson, his legacy and the results of the previous two trilogies.
 
I’ve been feeling the same way, about all of the production design and visuals of the ST. Rogue One and Solo didn’t have any of this, which I thought were better visually. But the ST feels like a comic book movie. Like, in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, there’s a spaceport inside of the skull of a giant alien. I’m fine with that in that movie/universe, because it’s a goofy comic book movie. But SW has always felt more grounded and lived in. Now all the ships and guns feel like they’ve been designed by Nerf, and all the locations look straight out of Ragnarok or Guardians of the Galaxy.
100%! These films feel like Disney tried to apply the Marvel formula without any thought that SW is an completely different animal entirely

i mean ******.. they look to be riding cavalry into battle.. where the hell did they even come from?? Has Disney never heard of what happened to the Polish cavalry when they went up against German tanks and other superior tech at the onset of WWII??? Complete massacre...
Horses/Tauntauns/Beasts of burden make sense from a scouting standpoint sure, but you don’t see the rebels charging in on Tauntauns during the battle of Hoth..
I honestly wont be too surprised if I find myself literally looking around the theater in shock and confusion like I did when I saw TLJ the first time around..
 
Does anybody even get that feeling of a Lived in Universe anymore? Like these are things that could actually happen?
That’s probably my favorite part of the OT is how real and believable it all is...
Even TFA felt like this for its first half... but TLJ and pretty much all the fantastical stuff in this trailer? It just seams soooo... idk... unbelievable I guess? Its just too far of a stretch from reality?
*Defeated sigh...*
I can firmly say that I genuinely hope this film maintains that for you. Hey maybe it’ll even surprise me.. there’s always that chance
Space iceberg, SD’s rising out of the ice, a cavalry of space horses racing across the top of a SD... I just dont see how we got here is all
I’ve been feeling the same way, about all of the production design and visuals of the ST. Rogue One and Solo didn’t have any of this, which I thought were better visually. But the ST feels like a comic book movie. Like, in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1, there’s a spaceport inside of the skull of a giant alien. I’m fine with that in that movie/universe, because it’s a goofy comic book movie. But SW has always felt more grounded and lived in. Now all the ships and guns feel like they’ve been designed by Nerf, and all the locations look straight out of Ragnarok or Guardians of the Galaxy.
That space iceberg looks like it might be a comet that they turned into a secret base? That's actually a cool idea (pardon the pun). But yeah it does look more like something you'd see out of Marvel or a Star Wars EU comic/video game. Is that where the "ghost fleet" is hiding?
 
100%! These films feel like Disney tried to apply the Marvel formula without any thought that SW is an completely different animal entirely

i mean ******.. they look to be riding cavalry into battle.. where the hell did they even come from?? Has Disney never heard of what happened to the Polish cavalry when they went up against German tanks and other superior tech at the onset of WWII??? Complete massacre...
Horses/Tauntauns/Beasts of burden make sense from a scouting standpoint sure, but you don’t see the rebels charging in on Tauntauns during the battle of Hoth..
I honestly wont be too surprised if I find myself literally looking around the theater in shock and confusion like I did when I saw TLJ the first time around..
Not exactly new...
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Its crazy,...how can there be horses in Star Wars?......theres no Walrus's, or Squids,...or lizards,...or pig people....(large or small),.....

....oh wait

& how come nearly everyone is human?

J
 
100%! These films feel like Disney tried to apply the Marvel formula without any thought that SW is an completely different animal entirely

i mean ******.. they look to be riding cavalry into battle.. where the hell did they even come from?? Has Disney never heard of what happened to the Polish cavalry when they went up against German tanks and other superior tech at the onset of WWII??? Complete massacre...
Horses/Tauntauns/Beasts of burden make sense from a scouting standpoint sure, but you don’t see the rebels charging in on Tauntauns during the battle of Hoth..
I honestly wont be too surprised if I find myself literally looking around the theater in shock and confusion like I did when I saw TLJ the first time around..
And also remember this is the film series that had these
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Fight these guys and win......
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Its crazy,...how can there be horses in Star Wars?......theres no Walrus's, or Squids,...or lizards,...or pig people....(large or small),.....

....oh wait

& how come nearly everyone is human?

J
Did you actually read what I wrote, or just take its most base form and run away with it?? My comment was contingent on the context of their apparent use within the film. Not their existence...

And also remember this is the film series that had these
Fight these guys and win......
Which is easily one of the worst aspects of ROTJ for me, and why (even though I absolutely adore the end of ROTJ) I rank it as the worst of the three..
Just because it exists, doesnt automatically make it good
Its actually neat to see you point this out because it goes right back to my point about believability of the universe and the story
 
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Did you actually read what I wrote, or just take its most base form and run away with it?? My comment was contingent on the context of their apparent use within the film. Not their existence...


Which is easily one of the worst aspects of ROTJ for me, and why (even though I absolutely adore the end of ROTJ) I rank it as the worst of the three..
Just because it exists, doesnt automatically make it good
Its actually neat to see you point this out because it goes right back to my point about believability of the universe and the story

No I wasn't replying to your post BFS1, just commenting on some of the comments on FB,

yours is a fair comment

J
 
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