Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)
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The Searcher
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See post 1893: STAR WARS Episode IX
I'm going to directly appeal to Disney and Lucasfilm today to ask they release the title or a teaser trailer this weekend , in order that we actually have something about Episode IX to talk about.
There's nothing else going on, Superbowl has passed without a great deal of excited interest in the movies shown, SW IX should dominate all the trends.
Have a mercy , do it now and save us from all this pointless bickering!!!!!!
The Star Wars show has returned : Star Wars
No real mention of IX , things seem geared towards the Celebration as the likely date for any trailer/ title reveal.
There's nothing else going on, Superbowl has passed without a great deal of excited interest in the movies shown, SW IX should dominate all the trends.
Have a mercy , do it now and save us from all this pointless bickering!!!!!!
The Star Wars show has returned : Star Wars
No real mention of IX , things seem geared towards the Celebration as the likely date for any trailer/ title reveal.
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Rey knows who her parents are. The audience doesn't. There's a difference between information being unknown to the character and information being unnecessarily withheld from the viewer to create drama. Her heroes journey plays more like the Cliff notes version of Luke's and is missing information which is why I feel it's ineffective.
I can't wait for this trilogy to end and for it to be revealed that there were never any answers to all the questions raised. It will be Lost on a galactic scale.
I can't wait for this trilogy to end and for it to be revealed that there were never any answers to all the questions raised. It will be Lost on a galactic scale.
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Psab keel, that was my worry when JJ first got involved. His damned Mystery Box. Too many of the things people have been niggling over since TFA came out have been things unnecessarily kept from the audience, but that are known to the characters, just because "it's the asking that's important." Jerk.
I don't want to send the discussion back around in it's fun little recursive loop, but some of these demonstrably, provably false things keep getting said, I can't not comment.
First, please, for the umpteen zillionth time, stop saying Disney is doing anything with Star Wars, for good or ill. They are helping bankroll Lucasfilm in making their internally-generated content. Same as with Marvel Studios, which I don't see anyone praising or blaming Disney for those films over in their threads.
Won't get into why they haven't flushed the OT characters down the toilet. There are pages and pages of back-and-forth. I land on the "where the OT characters are in the ST makes sense -- it just should have been handled better/we should have seen more of the transition" side of things.
They're not ignoring the PT. Several references to PT events are in the ST, and much, much more in the ancillary fiction that's come out from 2014 on.
Which, speaking of, they didn't "get rid of" the Expanded Universe. There were just too many things within it that either contradicted each other, due to lackadaisical editorial oversight on Lucasfilm's part back in the '70s and '80s, have been contradicted by later films, because George doesn't care about what's in the EU and never has, or a messy combination of both of those. Plus, just as what we got in George's Prequels contradicted a lot of EU content regardign that period, so, too, did George's notions of what happened after ROTJ. Most famously, his "Luke doesn't get married" comment, which nullifies Mara Jade as Luke's wife (though not necessarily the character entirely) and their son, Ben Skywalker. I'd love to see more of his notes regarding that era, but I'm reasonably confident some to most of the broad strokes of what's come out of Lucasfilm in the last five years regarding the post-ROTJ period are per George's vision, which they feel obliged to honor, even if they feel free to tweak the details.
And, for what it's worth, a lot of what worked in the old EU has already been worked into the new canon, with more all the time. And, as I've argued elsewhere, even the post-ROTJ EU content has some parallels with the new canon, "from a certain point of view".
All that said, yes, these new films lack depth and there have been questionable choices made with narrative, pacing, and staging. But the same can be said to varying degrees of all the Star Wars films back to the first. One of my strongest criticisms of the new post-Lucas creative choices is that they still feel the need to stick to his poor choice of super-compressed trilogies. I do think these new films would be a lot better if they were each expanded out into two or more and the story and characters allowed to grow and breathe more organically. Which is why my biggest hope for IX is that it sets the stage for more adventures, with at least some of those characters, rather than cramming all the loose ends and unresolved character arcs into one two-hour-ish outing and done.
I don't want to send the discussion back around in it's fun little recursive loop, but some of these demonstrably, provably false things keep getting said, I can't not comment.
First, please, for the umpteen zillionth time, stop saying Disney is doing anything with Star Wars, for good or ill. They are helping bankroll Lucasfilm in making their internally-generated content. Same as with Marvel Studios, which I don't see anyone praising or blaming Disney for those films over in their threads.
Won't get into why they haven't flushed the OT characters down the toilet. There are pages and pages of back-and-forth. I land on the "where the OT characters are in the ST makes sense -- it just should have been handled better/we should have seen more of the transition" side of things.
They're not ignoring the PT. Several references to PT events are in the ST, and much, much more in the ancillary fiction that's come out from 2014 on.
Which, speaking of, they didn't "get rid of" the Expanded Universe. There were just too many things within it that either contradicted each other, due to lackadaisical editorial oversight on Lucasfilm's part back in the '70s and '80s, have been contradicted by later films, because George doesn't care about what's in the EU and never has, or a messy combination of both of those. Plus, just as what we got in George's Prequels contradicted a lot of EU content regardign that period, so, too, did George's notions of what happened after ROTJ. Most famously, his "Luke doesn't get married" comment, which nullifies Mara Jade as Luke's wife (though not necessarily the character entirely) and their son, Ben Skywalker. I'd love to see more of his notes regarding that era, but I'm reasonably confident some to most of the broad strokes of what's come out of Lucasfilm in the last five years regarding the post-ROTJ period are per George's vision, which they feel obliged to honor, even if they feel free to tweak the details.
And, for what it's worth, a lot of what worked in the old EU has already been worked into the new canon, with more all the time. And, as I've argued elsewhere, even the post-ROTJ EU content has some parallels with the new canon, "from a certain point of view".
All that said, yes, these new films lack depth and there have been questionable choices made with narrative, pacing, and staging. But the same can be said to varying degrees of all the Star Wars films back to the first. One of my strongest criticisms of the new post-Lucas creative choices is that they still feel the need to stick to his poor choice of super-compressed trilogies. I do think these new films would be a lot better if they were each expanded out into two or more and the story and characters allowed to grow and breathe more organically. Which is why my biggest hope for IX is that it sets the stage for more adventures, with at least some of those characters, rather than cramming all the loose ends and unresolved character arcs into one two-hour-ish outing and done.
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cboath
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It's actually very easy to argue she doesn't know who they are. Kylo or Snoke could have just played on her fears and could very well just have shown her whatever they wanted. By not telling the audience, you're also stating no one can be sure of what was said as they're not a basis for confirmation of truth vs plant.
As of treatment...come on, EVERYTHING about them did not need destroyed for the ST. The failed to deliver on the easiest thing of all, putting them all in the same shot, just once. Han and Leia could have been married and dealing with things and Han could have been out on a run when he found the MF again. Luke did not have to have quit on the galaxy because he screwed up. Leia, well, they didn't get the chance to tarnish her really because her feature was supposed to have been 9. If they had positives in their current lives, it doesn't change anything about the ST, but the choice was made to stomp on their lives. If Han/Luke/Leia weren't in it at all, and we knew nothing about their fates and all we knew was that Ben was Han/Leia's kid - doesn't anything change? No. Not really. She had a lightsaber call out to her, she got 9 hours of training from someone who didn't give rat's behind. The reason you put those three in the flicks are because they're a draw and that's what people wanted to see. Killing them off 'just because' is not showing respect. If someone wants to show how things are irrevocably different with them having positive lives or not being there at all, go for it. It's not a heroic exit to sacrifice yourself when the whole thing is largely your fault for being a quitter. I'd gather nearly all Jedi who trained people had failures and Ben was far from the first one to fall to the dark side. That doesn't make you give up on the universe. It just doesn't. You don't put everyone at risk and then say 'my bad, but you're on your own now'.
As of treatment...come on, EVERYTHING about them did not need destroyed for the ST. The failed to deliver on the easiest thing of all, putting them all in the same shot, just once. Han and Leia could have been married and dealing with things and Han could have been out on a run when he found the MF again. Luke did not have to have quit on the galaxy because he screwed up. Leia, well, they didn't get the chance to tarnish her really because her feature was supposed to have been 9. If they had positives in their current lives, it doesn't change anything about the ST, but the choice was made to stomp on their lives. If Han/Luke/Leia weren't in it at all, and we knew nothing about their fates and all we knew was that Ben was Han/Leia's kid - doesn't anything change? No. Not really. She had a lightsaber call out to her, she got 9 hours of training from someone who didn't give rat's behind. The reason you put those three in the flicks are because they're a draw and that's what people wanted to see. Killing them off 'just because' is not showing respect. If someone wants to show how things are irrevocably different with them having positive lives or not being there at all, go for it. It's not a heroic exit to sacrifice yourself when the whole thing is largely your fault for being a quitter. I'd gather nearly all Jedi who trained people had failures and Ben was far from the first one to fall to the dark side. That doesn't make you give up on the universe. It just doesn't. You don't put everyone at risk and then say 'my bad, but you're on your own now'.
cboath
Master Member
I'll also add that the EU was never officially part of canon to begin with. You can't remove something from canon that was never their in the first place.
As noted, it had it's own issues and contradictions. Just wasn't really a way to keep it. They are adding things back where they can though.
As noted, it had it's own issues and contradictions. Just wasn't really a way to keep it. They are adding things back where they can though.
mattycsi
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You merely adopted Star Wars. We were born in it. Molded by it.
Joek3rr
Master Member
HAHAHAHAHA! Nice inclusion of a Bane quote!
Aaaaand seriously? Is the Star Wars fandom going to get a caste system? Or is it becoming an elitist club? Do I need to start to pay dues?
CT1138
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Sometimes I ask myself the very same question these days.
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There is enough Star Wars to go around.
Some people like the OT. Some like the Expanded Universe (excuse me, Legends). Some like the PT. Some like the ST. Some like the comics, the novels, the video games, the cartoons, the Anthology movies, the kids movies like the Ewoks movies. Some people like all of it, even the Holiday Special (I kid about that last one. No one in their right mind likes the Holiday Special. )
To each their own. I like the OT, some of the Legends stuff, and the Clone Wars Mini series. The rest is just whatever to me.
Take what you like and leave the rest. That's my philosophy.
BTW dues are owed by the end of the month if you wanna stay a part of the club.
Some people like the OT. Some like the Expanded Universe (excuse me, Legends). Some like the PT. Some like the ST. Some like the comics, the novels, the video games, the cartoons, the Anthology movies, the kids movies like the Ewoks movies. Some people like all of it, even the Holiday Special (I kid about that last one. No one in their right mind likes the Holiday Special. )
To each their own. I like the OT, some of the Legends stuff, and the Clone Wars Mini series. The rest is just whatever to me.
Take what you like and leave the rest. That's my philosophy.
BTW dues are owed by the end of the month if you wanna stay a part of the club.
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mattycsi
Master Member
Nothing to do with being elitist. Just highlighting the differences in relationships with the fandom.
You got into Star Wars at a time when a ton of new Star Wars was just announced and on the way. A lot of us spent 16 years propping the franchise up with nothing new on the horizon and feeling the derision of our peers for being massive nerds.
Joek3rr
Master Member
So there is a caste system? Cause that's what I'm feeling. I'm I some sort of lesser fan, because I'm 20 years newer to franchise? Or what if there's a kid, and the only thing he knows about Star Wars is the Resistance show. Is he a lesser fan? If you are going to group fans by when they got into the franchise, then you've made it into a caste system.
DARTH ANIBAL
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Joek3rr
Master Member
The only difference is when we were introduced to the franchise. After ROTS came out, we thought that there wwasnt going to be any new films that were going to be coming out. And being ridiculed for being fan? My gosh have I gotten a ton of that. My family is big outdoors people. They live to fish and hunt. I still get made fun of for being such a nerd. They roll their eyes when they see my lightsaber collection. I've experienced all of the ups and downs.
I think in some capacity all of us have been ridiculed for being Star Wars nerds though I've said it before it's much easier now than it was in years past. Now it's fashionable to be a geek.
It's a shame we can't harness the energy created by the fan debates on this series into some form of alternate fuel source. Screw gasoline!
It's a shame we can't harness the energy created by the fan debates on this series into some form of alternate fuel source. Screw gasoline!
drcraig13
Sr Member
I can't help that, I hadn't been born yet
That's your excuse for everything.
drcraig13
Sr Member
Remember that also means you can see the Prequels and the Last Jedi again as well.
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