Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Scarecrow Joe]

Then, frankly, you haven't been paying enough attention. Even weird Al made fun of "little Hotshot" and the pod races and unneeded part about him being the one to blow up the ship have been ripped to shreds literally thousands of times here and elsewhere.

And even then: not instantly loved by everyone (it's actually a central part of his character), does need training (there are three movies about it), and loses the pivotal fight of BOTH previous trilogies. So even if it is apples to apples, it's a small not yet ripe green apple compared to New York City.

Well didnt Luke blew up the Death Star without any formal training? How you find that to be strange? Again, some of you come up as little kids desperately wanting to find a reason to hate anything not OT. It looks more and more like an obsessive, delusional disorder than fandom..... So is weird Al something I should look up too? LOL Oh my, my...... LOL!

 

[Jaitea]

Maybe rename this one. Then start a new episode 9 one once a trailer drops?

Bryancd is no longer a member here

J

 

[Joek3rr]

Bryancd is no longer a member here

J

Is it possible to get a mod to change it in that case?

 

[Jaitea]

Is it possible to get a mod to change it in that case?

I don’t think so,....there’s been some pretty good on topic chat,...I’d say just delete the last couple of pages or move them to a new thread

J

 

[sztriki]

 

[cboath]

I'd like to know why lightsabers suck in the ST. OT and PT, lightsabers severed hand, removed heads, utterly devastated anything it hit. Until Disney. Now, a wound that should have cut Finn in half, he recovers from in a matter of hours. A wound that should have taken Kylo's head off, leaves a little scratch. Lightsabers have become a less lethal weapon, unless they are wielded against elite warriors, of course. It is just bad. The most iconic weapon in movie history, which has been a major focal point in the ST, is a crappy weapon. Utter garbage.

They were hit with the tip of the blade. If they were hit mid blade, you'd have a point. Now - Finn SHOULD NOT have recovered in like 18 hours but technically speaking we don't know how bad he really was hurt. If you want to get that picky, i believe he was face down as well - Rey can't roll him over to check on him with a spinal injury and chewy simply can't pick him up and carry him to the falcon either, if you want to be that picky.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Well didnt Luke blew up the Death Star without any formal training? How you find that to be strange? Again, some of you come up as little kids desperately wanting to find a reason to hate anything not OT. It looks more and more like an obsessive, delusional disorder than fandom..... So is weird Al something I should look up too? LOL Oh my, my...... LOL!

Did you really laugh out loud while typing this?

I was merely pointing out that it has been discussed before. Many times, by many people. Star Wars has, in fact been a central topic of this very forum for years. Possibly you didn't know that, but I'm honestly not sure why you take issue with it.

 

[Kovnyn]

They were hit with the tip of the blade. If they were hit mid blade, you'd have a point. Now - Finn SHOULD NOT have recovered in like 18 hours but technically speaking we don't know how bad he really was hurt. If you want to get that picky, i believe he was face down as well - Rey can't roll him over to check on him with a spinal injury and chewy simply can't pick him up and carry him to the falcon either, if you want to be that picky.

I think (and I can't believe I'm going to say this) that Jo3kerr is correct in his explanation of "plot armor".

I've done some, though admittedly not much, sword training in the past. Aside from fencing, as a sport, the tip of the blade isn't often used in slashing. As angry as Kylo was, as much as he hated Finn, and as close as he was during the strike, Finn should be dead. But, plot armor. Rey stabbed Kylo in the shoulder during their duel, the slash across his face was conveniently shallow, instead of being Jango'd, he has a cool carbon fiber band-aid. Plot armor. Can't kill the main characters, so flesh wounds are good enough.

So yes, it's mostly the PT that shows how lightsabers can melt durasteel doors a meter thick. Slicing through armored battle droids like butter. Still the severing of body parts (Ponda Baba, Luke, Anakin and Vader, Mace Windu, Dooku, et cetera) is well enough established. Why not use it? Cybernetics were also common enough, so it's not like they couldn't be repaired.

OT maybe didn't have the effects quality to slice a body or maybe Luke just wasn't good enough using the lightsaber (his wild, frantic swinging of the thing is evidence) hence people not being skewered or dismembered on a PT scale. The lightsaber is a victim of Disney. It's no longer special.

 

[Psab keel]

Here we go again with this toxic nonsense.....

 

[Joek3rr]

I think (and I can't believe I'm going to say this) that Jo3kerr is correct in his explanation of "plot armor".

I've done some, though admittedly not much, sword training in the past. Aside from fencing, as a sport, the tip of the blade isn't often used in slashing. As angry as Kylo was, as much as he hated Finn, and as close as he was during the strike, Finn should be dead. But, plot armor. Rey stabbed Kylo in the shoulder during their duel, the slash across his face was conveniently shallow, instead of being Jango'd, he has a cool carbon fiber band-aid. Plot armor. Can't kill the main characters, so flesh wounds are good enough.

So yes, it's mostly the PT that shows how lightsabers can melt durasteel doors a meter thick. Slicing through armored battle droids like butter. Still the severing of body parts (Ponda Baba, Luke, Anakin and Vader, Mace Windu, Dooku, et cetera) is well enough established. Why not use it? Cybernetics were also common enough, so it's not like they couldn't be repaired.

OT maybe didn't have the effects quality to slice a body or maybe Luke just wasn't good enough using the lightsaber (his wild, frantic swinging of the thing is evidence) hence people not being skewered or dismembered on a PT scale. The lightsaber is a victim of Disney. It's no longer special.

And Obi-Wan managed not to lose a single limb. He gets nicked a couple of times and he's down for the count!

Star Wars Fan Awards 2018 | Long Video Winners - StarWars.com this extremely funny, you should all watch it

 

[Psab keel]

"My theory: these "fans" will NEVER be satisfied. Never. The emotional attachment to the story seems unhealthy to some, becoming an absurd obsession. Its those toxic fans who will end up killing the franchise. I hope they never do because is a very entertaining story to me and thats all....entertainment. Scarecrow Joe

Of course people are going to have extreme emotional reactions to their favorite movie series, whether those reactions are positive or negative. We are participating in a debate on the internet in a forum that's primary focus is to replicate things from Star Wars (primarily) so I'd say we are ALL obsessed with this stuff. Don't be so quick to think that you are above any of us. We all have lives outside of this forum. You're no exception.

There is no one here that is any more or less of a fan than anyone else. We're all here because we love this series (and obviously many many other movies, shows, games, etc.) and it's not up to ANY of us to decide who is more or less of a fan than anyone else. Claiming superiority is absurd. It's all a matter of opinion.

While you may not like that some of us hate the direction the series is going I can at least say that you are welcome to your opinion, even if I disagree with you. Just like anyone else who disagrees with me on the subject, they are entitled to their opinion and I and others who don't like the way things are going are entitled to our opinion. It's not up to YOU to decide who is a true fan or not. Just like it's not up to ME to decide that for anyone else. So stop being so self righteous and putting the opposing side in quotes as "fans". We are fans too, even if we don't like everything Lucasfilm does and you do.

Just remember that someone's argument isn't invalid just because you disagree with it. We're all adults here. We can agree to disagree.

 

[sztriki]

I think (and I can't believe I'm going to say this) that Jo3kerr is correct in his explanation of "plot armor".

I've done some, though admittedly not much, sword training in the past. Aside from fencing, as a sport, the tip of the blade isn't often used in slashing. As angry as Kylo was, as much as he hated Finn, and as close as he was during the strike, Finn should be dead. But, plot armor. Rey stabbed Kylo in the shoulder during their duel, the slash across his face was conveniently shallow, instead of being Jango'd, he has a cool carbon fiber band-aid. Plot armor. Can't kill the main characters, so flesh wounds are good enough.

So yes, it's mostly the PT that shows how lightsabers can melt durasteel doors a meter thick. Slicing through armored battle droids like butter. Still the severing of body parts (Ponda Baba, Luke, Anakin and Vader, Mace Windu, Dooku, et cetera) is well enough established. Why not use it? Cybernetics were also common enough, so it's not like they couldn't be repaired.

OT maybe didn't have the effects quality to slice a body or maybe Luke just wasn't good enough using the lightsaber (his wild, frantic swinging of the thing is evidence) hence people not being skewered or dismembered on a PT scale. The lightsaber is a victim of Disney. It's no longer special.

I'm not arguing for or against anything, you are certainly entitled for your feelings and opinions, so it's not about convincing anyone. Just want to make an observation really, how different it is from person to person what counts as ruining something.
See for me the lightsaber was ruined by the PT. I know this is going to sound like I'm parroting the Mr Plinkett review, but I guess because I feel very similar and they managed to describe it the best.
So in the OT lightsabers and lightsaber duels were massively plot-driven. The lightsaber was to connect to an old world, show that Obi-wan knows more than just mumbo-jumbo, every duel had an emotional core, in ROTJ it was to signify Luke's development etc. And it was used sparingly (probably cuz it cost quite a lot to rotoscope it) and to a greater effect.
In the PT it's a glowy stick that everyone is waving around every 10 minutes, duels are more about the acrobatics, coreography than anything related to plot or emotions. Almost every duel is a boss-fight. We don't have any connection to Darth Maul, hardly any to Dooku...they're just there so that flashy glowy things can be waved around. Anakin vs Obi-wan in ROTS loses all emotional impact within 5 minutes for me an then just drags and drags...
And I actually love the fight between Ren and Rey in TFA because it got back to a character's development, the way she handles the fight changes progressively and has an emotional impact too and the same happens to Ren but the other way around. And this is why I just rolled my eyes during the throne room fight in TLJ, because it was just another boss fight. The emotional peak of that scene was Snoke's death then it was (badly) coreographed flailing and waving with nameless computer-game characters as foes.
You obviously mean it's ruined as an in-universe object, and you may very well have a point, especially regarding Finn. Just found it interesting how different our approaches are.

 

[Halliwax]

Guys no disrespect.. but if you want to debate stuff about ep8 that we have debated 50 times already... can ya bring it back to the ep8 thread

This is a ep9 thread..

I’m overly exhausted with seeing the same ep8 crap we’ve already seen over and over and over...

 

[Joek3rr]

Guys no disrespect.. but if you want to debate stuff about ep8 that we have debated 50 times already... can ya bring it back to the ep8 thread

This is a ep9 thread..

I’m overly exhausted with seeing the same ep8 crap we’ve already seen over and over and over...

It can be exhausting. But it would seem that the fate of this new trilogy hangs on episode 8. And until we have a trailer.

 

[Richard Baker]

Some behind the scenes photos from Episode 9-
Star Wars Episode 9 set pictures first look

 

[Psab keel]

I've gotta say, even if I don't like the story, the costumes of the this trilogy are very cool. I still love Kylo Ren's costume from TFA. Easily one of the coolest designs in the entire series.

I'm digging Finn and Poe's outfits in these shots.

 

[The Searcher]

Some behind the scenes photos from Episode 9-
Star Wars Episode 9 set pictures first look

Old news, but I’ll take it.
A question that’s been on my mind since I saw the photos back when they were published was “what kind of creatures will those horses become with a dose of ILM VFX wizardry?”

 

[Jaitea]

Old news also....well from before the new year....apparently Kylo will be wearing his repaired mask....glued together with a red crystalline resin which makes it look like Vader mixed with Maul....sounds pretty interesting

J

 

[Psab keel]

Old news, but I’ll take it.
A question that’s been on my mind since I saw the photos back when they were published was “what kind of creatures will those horses become with a dose of ILM VFX wizardry?”

I wondered the same thing.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Old news also....well from before the new year....apparently Kylo will be wearing his repaired mask....glued together with a red crystalline resin which makes it look like Vader mixed with Maul....sounds pretty interesting

J

Will probably look cool, but it reinforces the theory that First Order armor makers are SUPER lazy. First they put the storm troopers in cheap cosplay armor that does nothing, now they won't even make their leader a new hat. "You got one. If you broke it too bad. Try some glue."