Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Here's what I've personally come to terms with ..

Firstly, i was & am a fan of TLJ, however, I can now see & admit that RJ was NOT the right person to write that part of the trilogy. He had themes & directions in the SW universe that he wanted to explore, but it shouldn't have been done using these characters in the last third of an ongoing story. He should have held it for his original trilogy.

The SW that Lucas created was, at it's heart,a strict fairy tale told in a completely original setting. He had the characters we cared about together at the end of two of the films in triumph, & in ESB, we still felt sure Han was gonna be ok. When Ford wanted his character to die to show growth & add some weight to the Rebels plight, George shot it down.

Again, I don't HATE TLJ, but I've come to accept that the characters I care about, standing together in triumph at the end of this last film, would've been a pretty great thing.

 

[mattycsi]

They're businessmen/women/etc. What puts more butts in the seats and money in their wallet?

(Hint, it's not keeping the TLJ fans happy).

I don't deny there are those who like TLJ, and more power to them, however they're just a much smaller percentage than those who don't.

I'm curious, if you don't think they care about the fans, what is it they care about? it's not the story, they didn't care enough to craft it out ahead of time, or give enough time between for them to properly do the work. They let rian trash luke, so they don't care about the history or the existing fans. There's only one thing left, money.

Who's going to put more money in their wallets? Those who grew up with the OT and now have the most disposal income? The PT fans who are now getting into the workforce/been in a few year? Or the ST aimed at today teens/tweens?

My nephews flat out love marvel. They still haven't seen captain Marvel, but they could quote you lines and tell you the entire story inside of 24 hours of its release. They're not really into star wars at any level (which i blame my sister for ). Marvel's theory isn't anything hard to figure out. Stay true to the story(ies) that people love and made them what they are, stick to the master plan, and worry about making a good movie. Follow the plan and the money will come.. I can't say any of that went into the ST sadly. Follow the plan and the money will come.

You can't quote ST figures either to say the money is coming because it was in the bank before the damage was done. I also can't sit here and tell you that Solo tanked solely because of TLJ. However, i'd bet the house that if the exact same flick came out 6-12 months after TFA, it would have done a decent amount better. Better of enough to be considered a success? I don't know, but better. More surprising was due to the perceived failure of one flick, they killed all the other stand alones that were in progress. Due to one flick that did turn a small profit, just not a giant one? That tells me they heard the comments from TLJ, and not the ones from morons attacking people/actors/etc.

What will they do about it? Well, we've got 8 months to wait before we find out. I guarantee you before starting 9 they found themselves in a position they never imagined possible, that being in the position of making a star wars trilogy that, probably won't kill, but does severely damage the property. That 4B price tag wasn't just for the rights to the material (well, legally speaking it was), but they paid that much because of the built in fan base. TFA was virtually a guaranteed money printing machine. Some didn't like it as much, but no one flat out hated it. No one was leaving the series in the dust over it. Everyone was still anxious/interested for 8. You can't say the same thing after 8. Regardless how anyone feels about it (like or dislike) there is no argument that it did damage the brand.

Another thing i'd bet the house one, they won't double down on TLJ.

I agree.
When trailers came out for TFA and TLJ, it was near impossible to keep up with the threads.
This thread has done about 6 pages in 2 days since the trailer. Quite indicative of the sudden lack of interest.

 

[Cephus]

IIRC that was done because they feared that Luke would take up too much space, leading to Rey not being able to shine. But IMO totally unnecessary. Luke could have been the mentor from the get go, no need for that nonsensical hide and seek game. It would have IMO been a TRUE reinterpretation of ANH, and nobody would have complained... *waiting*

That's because Luke is a far better character than Rey is. Maybe if they didn't make such a laughable Mary Sue, then Rey would have had a chance of standing out.

Nah.... never happen.

 

[Strikerkc]

Except most of us love Rey. May never happen for YOU. But that doesn't change our enjoyment of it all.

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

Except most of us love Rey. May never happen for YOU. But that doesn't change our enjoyment of it all.

Got that right! But careful, some may be offended.....

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

They're businessmen/women/etc. What puts more butts in the seats and money in their wallet?

(Hint, it's not keeping the TLJ fans happy).

I don't deny there are those who like TLJ, and more power to them, however they're just a much smaller percentage than those who don't.

I'm curious, if you don't think they care about the fans, what is it they care about? it's not the story, they didn't care enough to craft it out ahead of time, or give enough time between for them to properly do the work. They let rian trash luke, so they don't care about the history or the existing fans. There's only one thing left, money.

Who's going to put more money in their wallets? Those who grew up with the OT and now have the most disposal income? The PT fans who are now getting into the workforce/been in a few year? Or the ST aimed at today teens/tweens?

My nephews flat out love marvel. They still haven't seen captain Marvel, but they could quote you lines and tell you the entire story inside of 24 hours of its release. They're not really into star wars at any level (which i blame my sister for ). Marvel's theory isn't anything hard to figure out. Stay true to the story(ies) that people love and made them what they are, stick to the master plan, and worry about making a good movie. Follow the plan and the money will come.. I can't say any of that went into the ST sadly. Follow the plan and the money will come.

You can't quote ST figures either to say the money is coming because it was in the bank before the damage was done. I also can't sit here and tell you that Solo tanked solely because of TLJ. However, i'd bet the house that if the exact same flick came out 6-12 months after TFA, it would have done a decent amount better. Better of enough to be considered a success? I don't know, but better. More surprising was due to the perceived failure of one flick, they killed all the other stand alones that were in progress. Due to one flick that did turn a small profit, just not a giant one? That tells me they heard the comments from TLJ, and not the ones from morons attacking people/actors/etc.

What will they do about it? Well, we've got 8 months to wait before we find out. I guarantee you before starting 9 they found themselves in a position they never imagined possible, that being in the position of making a star wars trilogy that, probably won't kill, but does severely damage the property. That 4B price tag wasn't just for the rights to the material (well, legally speaking it was), but they paid that much because of the built in fan base. TFA was virtually a guaranteed money printing machine. Some didn't like it as much, but no one flat out hated it. No one was leaving the series in the dust over it. Everyone was still anxious/interested for 8. You can't say the same thing after 8. Regardless how anyone feels about it (like or dislike) there is no argument that it did damage the brand.

Another thing i'd bet the house one, they won't double down on TLJ.

Funny how opinions are presented as unquestionable facts. Totally absurd.

 

[CT1138]

Except most of us love Rey. May never happen for YOU. But that doesn't change our enjoyment of it all.

How can you love a character like that!?! Somebody who just uses the Force and their lightsaber with ease to defeat enemies, somebody whose Force powers just seem to get stronger with no explanation, somebody who can suddenly take on Sith Lords with only a few days of not really even training all that much... oh wait, we're talking about Rey not Luke.

 

[cboath]

Funny how opinions are presented as unquestionable facts. Totally absurd.

What did I state as a fact that isn't?

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

How can you love a character like that!?! Somebody who just uses the Force and their lightsaber with ease to defeat enemies, somebody whose Force powers just seem to get stronger with no explanation, somebody who can suddenly take on Sith Lords with only a few days of not really even training all that much... oh wait, we're talking about Rey not Luke.

Touche....!

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

What did I state as a fact that isn't?

Almost everything....almost everything... Delusional much?

 

[cboath]

Almost everything....almost everything... Delusional much?

So i ask an honest question and you feel the need to insult me, nice.

 

[Psab keel]

He's known to do this kind of thing. Call people names / label them when they say something he disagrees with.

 

[Halliwax]

Let's not forget that JJ was the one who exiled Luke on ilsand and had him "walk away from everything"[Han Solo] with out telling a soul where he was going.

Also let's not forget that what Rian did was what JJ and Lawrence Kasdan were thinking they would have liked to of headed with the story.

“Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you’re right—that will be his movie; he’s going to do it in the way he sees fit. He’s neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.”

"[Rian] had things that he came up with where he asked if it was possible if we could make some adjustments with what we were doing at the end, most of which we did — there were just a couple that didn’t feel right, so he made adjustments — but it was just collaboration.” - JJ Abrams

Whoa whoa whoa joker buddy, that idea came from Lucas. Doug chiang has the concept art in the ep8 book

The temple Luke was hiding it was floating at one concept... eck...

 

[Cephus]

How can you love a character like that!?! Somebody who just uses the Force and their lightsaber with ease to defeat enemies, somebody whose Force powers just seem to get stronger with no explanation, somebody who can suddenly take on Sith Lords with only a few days of not really even training all that much... oh wait, we're talking about Rey not Luke.

Pretty much. Anyone who loves Rey is, I'd wager, under 25. I doubt you'll find many people who grew up with the OT in theaters who like Rey at all.

 

[Halliwax]

Pretty much. Anyone who loves Rey is, I'd wager, under 25. I doubt you'll find many people who grew up with the OT in theaters who like Rey at all.

I’m 35, love Rey. Think she’s gorgeous,(desert tan Rey... melt my heart)

a little over powered, but the force “awoke” in her

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

He's known to do this kind of thing. Call people names / label them when they say something he disagrees with.

Is saying you are delusional considered name calling? Aint you a bit sensitive? Apparently when you and others are faced with other people opinions its easier to return to this infantile behavior of sayin that you are been called names. Sorry, but some of your and others arguments come as absurd and over reaching to say the least. That is my opinion. Now if I would have called you any direct, disrespectful or puerile names, that would be uncalled for which I have not done. So please....stop saying I called names, never did.

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

Pretty much. Anyone who loves Rey is, I'd wager, under 25. I doubt you'll find many people who grew up with the OT in theaters who like Rey at all.

Again. Your biased opinion presented as FACT. Even your avatar seems shamed by your post! Well, I am 47 and love her. She is not only a beautiful, strong woman but also an excellent young actress with a lot of future ahead of her. Rey is a very interesting character in the whole saga. I would accept that in TLJ her character suffered from a poor development and came out flat. I hope it gets much more interesting in this new chapter.

 

[Scarecrow Joe]

So i ask an honest question and you feel the need to insult me, nice.

Insulting? OMG.....

Where are the official OBJECTIVE numbers that state there are more people hating TLJ against those that don't. I DARE you to find such a source and post it here. People with that same attitude even started to harass the poor girl that did the Rose character. Totally uncalled for and show how far these delusions has taken some people.

Also the reason of why Solo flopped are multiple and saying it was because of that immature "boicot" borders on a self believed delusional idea. there is no other way around it. Now you can have the robin1, Psab guys to pat you on the back, its okay. It wont bother me at all. And to be much more clear, this is not an insult but a DIFFERENT OPINION..... You are more than welcome to not read my posts. Me on the other hand like to read everyone's posts.

 

[PantheraGem]

I just want to tell you both; "Good luck". We're all counting on you.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

Pretty much. Anyone who loves Rey is, I'd wager, under 25. I doubt you'll find many people who grew up with the OT in theaters who like Rey at all.

<< 42. Loves the pre-SE OT. Believes the only halfway serviceable movie of the PT is ROTS. Loves TFA, TLJ, and Rey. Hey, hey, hey.