Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Pre-release)

So they're not just wrapping up this sequel trilogy, but a trilogy of trilogies. No pressure guys.

It wouldn't shock me in the least if they announce another trilogy to add to the Skywalker saga in ten years.

Don't worry. Star Wars is never really gone. Like a zombie dragging itself through the grass, it will live on forever slogging it's dead corpse in search of brains (money) until it's little more than a head and torso.

I'm just...idk.
 
Oh yeah.

JJ brings in Kylo with the helmet.
Rian smashes it.
JJ puts it back together.

JJ brings back the lightsaber.
Rian breaks it.
JJ fixes it.

The overtones of repairing the franchise couldnt be any less subtle.

I wonder if the original title for Episode 9 was:

Star Wars: Return Of The Rough Storyline As Planned

If all all of this “reversing of the subverting of expectations” is true, what a colossal waste of time and resources Episode 8 will be regarded as, moving forward.
 
I'm hoping...

JJ brings back Luke at the end of the film
Rian destroys his character
JJ fixes it.

JJ makes TFA as a homage to the OT
Rian parodies it.
JJ fixes it.

J

Let's not forget that JJ was the one who exiled Luke on ilsand and had him "walk away from everything"[Han Solo] with out telling a soul where he was going.

Also let's not forget that what Rian did was what JJ and Lawrence Kasdan were thinking they would have liked to of headed with the story.

“Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you’re right—that will be his movie; he’s going to do it in the way he sees fit. He’s neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.”

"[Rian] had things that he came up with where he asked if it was possible if we could make some adjustments with what we were doing at the end, most of which we did — there were just a couple that didn’t feel right, so he made adjustments — but it was just collaboration.” - JJ Abrams
 
So they're not just wrapping up this sequel trilogy, but a trilogy of trilogies. No pressure guys.

It wouldn't shock me in the least if they announce another trilogy to add to the Skywalker saga in ten years.

Don't worry. Star Wars is never really gone. Like a zombie dragging itself through the grass, it will live on forever slogging it's dead corpse in search of brains (money) until it's little more than a head and torso.

I'm just...idk.

Of course it will continue......every generation has its legend
 
Let's not forget that JJ was the one who exiled Luke on ilsand and had him "walk away from everything"[Han Solo] with out telling a soul where he was going.

Also let's not forget that what Rian did was what JJ and Lawrence Kasdan were thinking they would have liked to of headed with the story.

“Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you’re right—that will be his movie; he’s going to do it in the way he sees fit. He’s neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.”

"[Rian] had things that he came up with where he asked if it was possible if we could make some adjustments with what we were doing at the end, most of which we did — there were just a couple that didn’t feel right, so he made adjustments — but it was just collaboration.” - JJ Abrams

Yeah, i'm sure they'd never sugar coat things, or try and cover things up, or you know, just lie to keep people from knowing things they don't want them to know. I'm know saying it in a sinister way either, just if that there were issues behind the scenes, there's no benefit for them to let them get out. Better to head it off at the pass.

As for Luke, all that was said about him in TFA was that he had disappeared. Not why. We've gone over that ad nasuem that 18 months, there are plenty of reasons for it to happen without him quitting his family, friends, and the galaxy at large - especially from a problem he blames himself for creating. So, that part is on RJ.
 
Let's not forget that JJ was the one who exiled Luke on ilsand and had him "walk away from everything"[Han Solo] with out telling a soul where he was going.

Also let's not forget that what Rian did was what JJ and Lawrence Kasdan were thinking they would have liked to of headed with the story.

“Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you’re right—that will be his movie; he’s going to do it in the way he sees fit. He’s neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.”

"[Rian] had things that he came up with where he asked if it was possible if we could make some adjustments with what we were doing at the end, most of which we did — there were just a couple that didn’t feel right, so he made adjustments — but it was just collaboration.” - JJ Abrams

Yes I know this teacher

But can you not face facts, Rian has damaged the franchise,...Disney/LFL is rethinking its strategy & they are in repair mode

They need all fans & general audience to enjoy the future movies, not dividing them

J
 
We've gone over that ad nasuem that 18 months, there are plenty of reasons for it to happen without him quitting his family, friends, and the galaxy at large - especially from a problem he blames himself for creating. So, that part is on RJ.

Rian's additions were, Luke thinks the Jedi need to end, and cutting himself from the Force. TFA gave us why Luke exiled himself, "Luke felt responsible...he walked away from everything."

And we know JJ is telling the truth. Luke was originally set to have a bigger presence in TFA. As such the art department was tasked with doing concept art for Luke. And how was Luke being described? Artist Christian Alzmann tells us. "My first image I made for Star Wars : The Force Awakens. This was January of 2013. Luke was being described as a Col. Kurtz type hiding from the world in a cave. I couldn’t believe I was getting to make this image and I got a George “Fabulouso” on it to boot." Christian Alzmann on Instagram: “My first image I made for Star Wars : The Force Awakens. This was January of 2013. Luke was being described as a Col. Kurtz type hiding…”
 
Yes I know this teacher

But can you not face facts, Rian has damaged the franchise,...Disney/LFL is rethinking its strategy & they are in repair mode

They need all fans & general audience to enjoy the future movies, not dividing them

J

The facts are..... they don't care about the fans. They know one way or another, one group will get mad. If they retcon, the ones that love TLJ will get mad. If they don't retcon the ones that don't love TLJ will remain mad. It's a Kobayashi Maru.
 
"Star Wars has so many different groups of people that like so many different aspects of it, but the idea of creating something that will bring them all together" John Favreau, talking about The Mandalorian in the last hour.

This is what Disney/LFL wants,....bums on seats

J
 
They need to care about the fans as we are the ones that buy and support them.After TLJ the fans spoke up with their wallets,the next movie,video game and toy line suffered.The old fans are who spend money and buy up Star Wars,the SJW and “new era” don’t spend the money as they just whine.
 
The facts are..... they don't care about the fans. They know one way or another, one group will get mad. If they retcon, the ones that love TLJ will get mad. If they don't retcon the ones that don't love TLJ will remain mad. It's a Kobayashi Maru.
Then LFL better have a Kirk up their sleeve! ;)
Ironic that you needed a Trek reference to describe a SW problem. :D
 
Yes I know this teacher

But can you not face facts, Rian has damaged the franchise,...Disney/LFL is rethinking its strategy & they are in repair mode

They need all fans & general audience to enjoy the future movies, not dividing them

J

This is the best metaphor for what Rian Johnson has done to the franchise, all for the sake of subverting expectations:

(The “oh so pleased with myself cackle” is spot-on)

 
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can Solo come back after being stabbed, fallen in a giant hole and then blown up?

Yes. If it serves the story someone wants to tell. That's the wonderful thing about fiction. It can be whatever it is that it needs to be at the time. It can be multiple things at the same time. It is what the author wants it to be. And is also what the audience chooses to see or read.

Han died in 7, trying to redeem his son. But I've also got another story in a book, where an aged Han gets wanderlust. Takes a vacation from his husbandly duties, and flies out on the falcon alone to a seedy underworld location. He goes for a walk, passes boba fett on the street, they turn and gun each other down.

Both stories exist. Both stories entertain me. The existence of one, doesn't not diminish or invalidate the other.

Will they ever do another trillogy? Who knows for sure. I figure it's likely.

But star wars is going to keep existing one way or another, for a very long time. the churn of books, comics, games, and media is alive and well. TV shows, on top of stand alone films, on top of more TV shows; live action and animated.
 
If they REALLY wanted to fix everything that Rian did, they should have Rey use her awesome colossal powers of The Force to run “super duper fast” round and round the surface of some random desert planet (the Star Wars universe of full of them, evidently) and turn back time and fix everything ala “Superman: The Movie”.

Poe and FN2187 would yell “go Rey!!” each time she zips past them and Luke would turn to Yoda and say “boy she’s so much better than I ever was isn’t she?”

I will never completely buy into the whole “Mary Sue Theory” until I see her pull that one off and I don’t see that happening. She can’t even seem to outrun a Tie Fighter (with apparently broken cannons) without being overrun by it and only saving herself by executing a basic Jedi flip at the last second. She’s no “Mary Sue”...phooey!

#cantturnbacktime #notatruemarysue
 
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The facts are..... they don't care about the fans. They know one way or another, one group will get mad. If they retcon, the ones that love TLJ will get mad. If they don't retcon the ones that don't love TLJ will remain mad. It's a Kobayashi Maru.

They're businessmen/women/etc. What puts more butts in the seats and money in their wallet?

(Hint, it's not keeping the TLJ fans happy).

I don't deny there are those who like TLJ, and more power to them, however they're just a much smaller percentage than those who don't.

I'm curious, if you don't think they care about the fans, what is it they care about? it's not the story, they didn't care enough to craft it out ahead of time, or give enough time between for them to properly do the work. They let rian trash luke, so they don't care about the history or the existing fans. There's only one thing left, money.

Who's going to put more money in their wallets? Those who grew up with the OT and now have the most disposal income? The PT fans who are now getting into the workforce/been in a few year? Or the ST aimed at today teens/tweens?

My nephews flat out love marvel. They still haven't seen captain Marvel, but they could quote you lines and tell you the entire story inside of 24 hours of its release. They're not really into star wars at any level (which i blame my sister for :) ). Marvel's theory isn't anything hard to figure out. Stay true to the story(ies) that people love and made them what they are, stick to the master plan, and worry about making a good movie. Follow the plan and the money will come.. I can't say any of that went into the ST sadly. Follow the plan and the money will come.

You can't quote ST figures either to say the money is coming because it was in the bank before the damage was done. I also can't sit here and tell you that Solo tanked solely because of TLJ. However, i'd bet the house that if the exact same flick came out 6-12 months after TFA, it would have done a decent amount better. Better of enough to be considered a success? I don't know, but better. More surprising was due to the perceived failure of one flick, they killed all the other stand alones that were in progress. Due to one flick that did turn a small profit, just not a giant one? That tells me they heard the comments from TLJ, and not the ones from morons attacking people/actors/etc.

What will they do about it? Well, we've got 8 months to wait before we find out. I guarantee you before starting 9 they found themselves in a position they never imagined possible, that being in the position of making a star wars trilogy that, probably won't kill, but does severely damage the property. That 4B price tag wasn't just for the rights to the material (well, legally speaking it was), but they paid that much because of the built in fan base. TFA was virtually a guaranteed money printing machine. Some didn't like it as much, but no one flat out hated it. No one was leaving the series in the dust over it. Everyone was still anxious/interested for 8. You can't say the same thing after 8. Regardless how anyone feels about it (like or dislike) there is no argument that it did damage the brand.

Another thing i'd bet the house one, they won't double down on TLJ.
 
Let's not forget that JJ was the one who exiled Luke on ilsand and had him "walk away from everything"[Han Solo] with out telling a soul where he was going.

IIRC that was done because they feared that Luke would take up too much space, leading to Rey not being able to shine. But IMO totally unnecessary. Luke could have been the mentor from the get go, no need for that nonsensical hide and seek game. It would have IMO been a TRUE reinterpretation of ANH, and nobody would have complained... *waiting*
 
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