Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

[HeartBlade]

I just want to know why the Lars homestead, 30 plus long years abandoned, was still largely intact and unoccupied. You know Jawas would have scavenged every useful bit off the courtyard vaporators, but there they stood, a little dirty but fully intact.

Nothing stays abandoned and untouched for long on Tatooine.

Actually wasn’t the Lars homestead burned down by the empire?

Sure stone houses and sand could prevent the burn but I don’t expect the Lars homestead to be in good order.

Given Tatooine’s reputation as a world of scum and villainy in the outer regions, the household should be stripped bare.

 

[HeartBlade]

No please no. I don't want a Star Wars film where my aged heroes are talking about how they sprained their back dodging that last blaster bolt. What we got was about perfect. Just enough of the old heroes.

It better dang secretive. If his not going to tell his sister or bring his best friend, Artoo.
And anyways I think it's far more interesting to take our bright eyed hero, and make him go into a self imposed exile. Give him a nice good late life crisis. Drop the floor out from under him, so to speak.

the passing of the torch doesn’t mean the original heroes are old and crippled. They may just want to retire or have lives they can’t risk going on an adventure for (like Luke had many young potential Jedi that he has to train. Thus, sending his promising student Rey or a student with a lot of potential to complete the feat in his stead)

I do agree DoF isn’t necessarily 100% better than RoS in all aspects but as a continuation of the themes and character development in TLJ, it does seem to be a better fit compared to RoS which seems to be a complete retcon and FU for screwing my ideas RJ by JJ

 

[Joek3rr]

the passing of the torch doesn’t mean the original heroes are old and crippled. They may just want to retire or have lives they can’t risk going on an adventure for (like Luke had many young potential Jedi that he has to train. Thus, sending his promising student Rey or a student with a lot of potential to complete the feat in his stead)

I do agree DoF isn’t necessarily 100% better than RoS in all aspects but as a continuation of the themes and character development in TLJ, it does seem to be a better fit compared to RoS which seems to be a complete retcon and FU for screwing my ideas RJ by JJ

I'm not saying something like that couldn't have worked. With talented writers, just about anything can work out. But to be honest, that sounds boring and uninteresting.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: redemption arcs, the real problem is that the characters usually die at the end of them. They sacrifice themselves and we are supposed to just accept that this act wipes away all past sins.

What would be more dramatically interesting (to me, anyway) is at least seeing some indication that they'll have to live with their misdeeds for a long time and what that means for them. In that sense, redemption could become a lifelong project for them like recovery from addiction. In other words, it's never over and you have to struggle with it and earn it every day. I'm not saying we spend eight more movies watching Ben Solo get older and deal with his past, but we at least do a couple shots that show him acknowledging the work he has ahead of him.

 

[DaddyfromNaboo]

Re: redemption arcs, the real problem is that the characters usually die at the end of them. They sacrifice themselves and we are supposed to just accept that this act wipes away all past sins.

What would be more dramatically interesting (to me, anyway) is at least seeing some indication that they'll have to live with their misdeeds for a long time and what that means for them. In that sense, redemption could become a lifelong project for them like recovery from addiction. In other words, it's never over and you have to struggle with it and earn it every day. I'm not saying we spend eight more movies watching Ben Solo get older and deal with his past, but we at least do a couple shots that show him acknowledging the work he has ahead of him.

I can understand where you are coming from, but that is nothing IMO has a place in a Star Wars movie that I want and can enjox with my now 7 yesr old son. Heck, I do not want to watch eps 2 and 3 and 7 to 8 with him. I'll wait til he is say 15 or 16 until I show him the kind of movies you are referencing.

Your story sounds a lot like what they die with Dexter, show a character in constant emotional and internal turmoil fightinh his inner demons.

Who is the target audience of SW anyway?

 

[Paul Andrew]

Re: redemption arcs, the real problem is that the characters usually die at the end of them. They sacrifice themselves and we are supposed to just accept that this act wipes away all past sins.

What would be more dramatically interesting (to me, anyway) is at least seeing some indication that they'll have to live with their misdeeds for a long time and what that means for them. In that sense, redemption could become a lifelong project for them like recovery from addiction. In other words, it's never over and you have to struggle with it and earn it every day. I'm not saying we spend eight more movies watching Ben Solo get older and deal with his past, but we at least do a couple shots that show him acknowledging the work he has ahead of him.

Yeah, I feel like this is the biggest missed opportunity of the series. We just got to know these characters, the torch done got passed, and now they're effectively done (as far as we know).

 

[Solo4114]

Oh, I think we haven't seen the last of Rey, Finn, and Poe. I certainly hope we haven't, anyway.

 

[Solo4114]

I can understand where you are coming from, but that is nothing IMO has a place in a Star Wars movie that I want and can enjox with my now 7 yesr old son. Heck, I do not want to watch eps 2 and 3 and 7 to 8 with him. I'll wait til he is say 15 or 16 until I show him the kind of movies you are referencing.

Your story sounds a lot like what they die with Dexter, show a character in constant emotional and internal turmoil fightinh his inner demons.

Who is the target audience of SW anyway?

My kid is turning 4 in March. I plan to introduce her to the Star Wars films. All that said, I don't think kids are the target audience. At least, I don't think they were in 1977 or 1980, and that's how I think it ought to be. You can tell stories in the Star Wars universe that are accessible for kids, but aren't specifically targeted at them. You can tell stories with complex characters and kids will still be able to appreciate them.

At the same time, I don't buy into the notion that Star Wars needs to be frozen in amber and that it has to keep replicating the past. It shouldn't. It should expand. To me, Star Wars is a setting and a vibe. You can tell all kinds of stories within that setting and touching on that vibe. Space westerns, space fantasy, political thrillers, war movies, sprawling adventures chasing some macguffin, horror, etc., etc., etc. And yes, that can include movies that are more oriented towards kids, but it's not as if they should be the primary audience in mind.

Also, I would not have suggested that any kind of redemption arc be accomplished in a single film. I think that's a mistake regardless of how you handle it. Ben's redemption should've taken multiple films, in my opinion.

 

[d_jedi1]

Rey, on the other hand, was visibly shown to have combat training with her staff earlier in the film.

I trimmed out the rest because I don't really disagree with the rest.. except for Finn not having Melee training.. I mean, I'd assume that SOME would be the standard but I'm getting off topic.
First, it's established that she USES the staff, not that she has training.
Second, Even if she HAS training with a staff VERY LITTLE of what you learn in staff combat is transferable to sword fighting.
Again, the rest of what you said, I don't really take issue with and more or less agree with but let's not pretend that these two things are even REMOTELY the same.

 

[Paul Andrew]

I trimmed out the rest because I don't really disagree with the rest.. except for Finn not having Melee training.. I mean, I'd assume that SOME would be the standard but I'm getting off topic.
First, it's established that she USES the staff, not that she has training.
Second, Even if she HAS training with a staff VERY LITTLE of what you learn in staff combat is transferable to sword fighting.
Again, the rest of what you said, I don't really take issue with and more or less agree with but let's not pretend that these two things are even REMOTELY the same.

I feel like this is the same thing as counting rounds fired in an 80's action movie. Getting worked up over handwavium essentially.
Yes in real life a staff is a different weapon than a sword which would be different than a laser swords should such a thing exist. Star Wars has never aspired to be an example of how fighting or piloting or just about anything else works in real life.
For the purposes of a Star Wars film her abilities are explained well enough.

 

[Joek3rr]

I trimmed out the rest because I don't really disagree with the rest.. except for Finn not having Melee training.. I mean, I'd assume that SOME would be the standard but I'm getting off topic.
First, it's established that she USES the staff, not that she has training.
Second, Even if she HAS training with a staff VERY LITTLE of what you learn in staff combat is transferable to sword fighting.
Again, the rest of what you said, I don't really take issue with and more or less agree with but let's not pretend that these two things are even REMOTELY the same.

Staff and lightsaber aren't the same. But neither is a riot baton. Or whatever the heck Finn has experience with. And neither is sword, or whatever Pre Vizsla had experience with. Yet they all used a lightsaber.

Rey's Quarterstaff

Like nearly everything she owns, Rey’s quarterstaff is salvage from the wreckage that litters Jakku. Self-defense is a must for a Jakku scavenger, and Rey has won respect for her skills with her staff and her willingness to use it if crossed or threatened. That’s a lesson Unkar Plutt’s thugs...

www.starwars.com

 

[HanSolo2187]

But it was recovered by Luke before escape to Nguyen with Vader, unless he made a nearly identical replacement.

Was it? I could see him going to grab it before he drug Vader to the docking bay, but I don't think we ever see him with his green lightsaber in ROTJ after he tosses it.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

....Who is the target audience of SW anyway?

The current target audience for “Star Wars”? Anyone and everyone.

The Mouse closes his eyes at night and weeps bitter tears for those small corners of the globe that they have not yet captured and dominated.

In time Mickey...in time....

 

[cboath]

I'm not saying something like that couldn't have worked. With talented writers, just about anything can work out. But to be honest, that sounds boring and uninteresting.

It's better than what we got.

The big mistake was making it the capstone to the skywalker trilogy. To me, there really wasn't any connection between 1-6 and the ST. Some characters made the transition, but nothing really connects them.

Had they gone with his 'luke can't leave the academy' type thing and sent off a promising student, Rey, who has to go through her own trials and tribulations. The whole thing may evovle into a galaxy wide threat, but it doesn't have to start off that way. Gives you time to transition and build. It also has the large benefit of not trying to put a capstone on something huge, which, to all those invovled seemed to be making it bigger than what came before. Death Start 100x the size of the first. Kills 5 planets at once, star destroyer 10x the size of any we've seen before, 10k star destroyers all with death start planet killers.

As a comparison, Luke's original goal was to save a princess - not a galaxy. After achieving that goal, they learn they're about to be toasted by a death start and fight it. But, even at that, the 'giant goal' there was to keep the bad guys from having such a horrible weapon. It wasn't nearly as broad and threatening as what they fought in the ST. Taking 'final capstone' out the equation frees you up immensely and you can build a staring point for a series continuation, or a whole new series or whatever.

They started with the 'final part of the skywalker saga' stuff which dug a hole and then kept digging and digging with every other decision they made it seemed. There was NOT a need to tie to the skywalker saga. You can stick Han, Luke, Leia in it in roles no bigger than they had and still use that as leverage to get people in the seats. NO ONE showed up because it was a capstone on the skywalker saga. Loads showed up because it had Star Wars in the title and some showed up for seeing their hero's again.

 

[robn1]

Was it? I could see him going to grab it before he drug Vader to the docking bay, but I don't think we ever see him with his green lightsaber in ROTJ after he tosses it.

It was on his belt when he returned to the Ewok village.

 

[edge10]

It was on his belt when he returned to the Ewok village.

Good call. Easily verified.

 

[HeartBlade]

It's better than what we got.

The big mistake was making it the capstone to the skywalker trilogy. To me, there really wasn't any connection between 1-6 and the ST. Some characters made the transition, but nothing really connects them.

Had they gone with his 'luke can't leave the academy' type thing and sent off a promising student, Rey, who has to go through her own trials and tribulations. The whole thing may evovle into a galaxy wide threat, but it doesn't have to start off that way. Gives you time to transition and build. It also has the large benefit of not trying to put a capstone on something huge, which, to all those invovled seemed to be making it bigger than what came before. Death Start 100x the size of the first. Kills 5 planets at once, star destroyer 10x the size of any we've seen before, 10k star destroyers all with death start planet killers.

As a comparison, Luke's original goal was to save a princess - not a galaxy. After achieving that goal, they learn they're about to be toasted by a death start and fight it. But, even at that, the 'giant goal' there was to keep the bad guys from having such a horrible weapon. It wasn't nearly as broad and threatening as what they fought in the ST. Taking 'final capstone' out the equation frees you up immensely and you can build a staring point for a series continuation, or a whole new series or whatever.

They started with the 'final part of the skywalker saga' stuff which dug a hole and then kept digging and digging with every other decision they made it seemed. There was NOT a need to tie to the skywalker saga. You can stick Han, Luke, Leia in it in roles no bigger than they had and still use that as leverage to get people in the seats. NO ONE showed up because it was a capstone on the skywalker saga. Loads showed up because it had Star Wars in the title and some showed up for seeing their hero's again.

yeah making this the end of the Skywalker saga is laughable when there is honestly very little real interaction between the original cast and the new cast, no transition of power or passing the touch, not even continuing similar themes.

It’s clear that Disney recognized the potential of expanding the Star Wars audience (more accessible sci-fi than Star Trek and has cool stuff blowing up for the kids, deep themes for the adults) but couldn’t pull it off.

 

[HeartBlade]

I'm not saying something like that couldn't have worked. With talented writers, just about anything can work out. But to be honest, that sounds boring and uninteresting.

why is a story where the old cast passes the torch to a new group of adventurers boring and uninteresting?

there was potential to work with.
Poe could have been more hot headed and brash, reminding Leia of both her and a young Han. This, she passes off her wisdom and the role as the new leader of the resistance.

Han definitely was not a fan of Finn who was a coward, possibly reflecting how he also ran away from his problems (his son turning, the first order) or could recognize that Finn wanted freedom like he did (becoming a smuggler to be his own man or something). He grows to appreciate him and gifts the falcon.

Rey and Luke is an obvious mentor mentee but have Rey struggle to master things. Although a more interesting relationship is Ben and Luke with Rey getting in the way imo. Not have the dyad but Ben be weaker than Rey despite being a natural Skywalker. His turn to evil and his later return to the light. He has to live with what he has done but Luke hints at his forgiveness of his nephew in the end by giving him Anakin’s saber, another Jedi who fell to darkness but returned to the light but failed to really redeem his actions in life.

you could then easily make sequel movies of the ST becoming leaders to a new threat, a tv series of Ben wandering the galaxy and helping others to make amends, etc.

 

[Kovnyn]

Was it? I could see him going to grab it before he drug Vader to the docking bay, but I don't think we ever see him with his green lightsaber in ROTJ after he tosses it.

But we do see him with it in TLJ, in the flashback scenes with Ben. So unless he built an identical saber, it's gotta be the same.

 

[Grigori]

Oh, I think we haven't seen the last of Rey, Finn, and Poe. I certainly hope we haven't, anyway.

The actors have said they’d not plan to return, so seems unlikely in the foreseeable future. Unless a negotiating strategy I guess, but I can imagine they’d want to avoid being typecast for the next stage of their careers.