Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker?


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The "Skywalker saga" is actually now the Palpatine saga. Way to destroy EVERYTHING the Skywalker story was about.
Without going into things, that's the one thing that REALLY bugs me about the movie. Big time.

I haven't seen the film yet honestly, but after The Last Jedi I kind of stopped caring. I have looked at spoiler articles, videos, etc for this film.

I am still going to see it eventually and give it a chance.

We'll see.
 
I've got tickets for the first showing Thursday evening here in Phoenix.
I fully expect that JJ will have made great strides to nullify most of the weirdness of TLJ, disappointing as that will be for me. Mostly, I just want there to be a half decent reason that Palps didn't vaporize on the DS2, or if he did and still made it back I'd like a hell of a good explanation.
 
I've got tickets for the first showing Thursday evening here in Phoenix.
I fully expect that JJ will have made great strides to nullify most of the weirdness of TLJ, disappointing as that will be for me. Mostly, I just want there to be a half decent reason that Palps didn't vaporize on the DS2, or if he did and still made it back I'd like a hell of a good explanation.
Now that we saw Leia flying about in space I guess its an easy one to explain. There was an exit port at the bottom and he simply flew himself to safety - I have no idea but going back to my 5-6 year old days of playing with toys it's how I'd do it. Perhaps that's it - the writers of this trilogy took their ideas from that demographic, perhaps that's why it's been so cr@p?
 
I'd have accepted the story more if Anakin showed up with Luke and Leia and it was them together finally learning how to stop death and bringing Kylo to the light with it and therefore making a Skywalker "rise" again in Ben Solo. It'd even have far more resonance to have Ben Solo then burying his mother's, uncle's and (technically) grandfather's sabers in the Lars homestead.

Unfortunately in this current climate of "girl power rulz", you can't have a "white knight" save a "mary sue".... Disney wanted Rey to be all powerful, even if it makes NO sense. I agree with you, it would be a great story if Kylo was saved and did a monologue similar to Luke's about the strength in the force in his family, and he became the Skywalker in the title of the movie. THAT would have been a powerful story, what Luke tried to do for Anakin, and he comes back to the light side and follows in his grandfather's footsteps and defeats the Emperor (basically following how Force Awakens is mostly ANH rehashed, this would be ROTJ rehashed). Rey just taking the name, nope! They totally crapped all over the Skywalker story. They could have totally kept Rey's family a secret and do a whole spin off trilogy of her finding her own path.... Poor writing...
 
Unfortunately in this current climate of "girl power rulz", you can't have a "white knight" save a "mary sue".... Disney wanted Rey to be all powerful, even if it makes NO sense. I agree with you, it would be a great story if Kylo was saved and did a monologue similar to Luke's about the strength in the force in his family, and he became the Skywalker in the title of the movie. THAT would have been a powerful story, what Luke tried to do for Anakin, and he comes back to the light side and follows in his grandfather's footsteps and defeats the Emperor (basically following how Force Awakens is mostly ANH rehashed, this would be ROTJ rehashed). Rey just taking the name, nope! They totally crapped all over the Skywalker story. They could have totally kept Rey's family a secret and do a whole spin off trilogy of her finding her own path.... Poor writing...

Not so bothered personally by Rey being powerful for no reason, as they really could've made that the struggle she needed to have to progress further as a character. That struggle to discover who she is and why she is powerful but can't control it, or her place in the galaxy.

What really bothers me is that Kylo/Ben was an interesting character who in my opinion should've been more of a mirror to Rey, with his struggle of knowing who he is, the pressure of being part of the Skywalker line, and the power in the Force that brings.
 
Watched it. Certainly did a better job with what very little plot points Rian Johnson left (after purposely destroying them all whilst bringing absolutely nothing new to the table).

However, it felt like an endgame movie. Except it was done by DC with only 2 prior movies. LOL. So much story and detail jumbled into one, it was like a short series of a comics made into a live-action adaption. Looks good on paper, when actually told as a movie, you can see it's just blatant fan-service.

I should clarify I don't blame JJ in any way for my gripes with this film. I think he did a fine job setting up his vision in TFA with the mysteries. I simply blame Rian Johnson for ignoring or purposely making those plot points ignorable. I mean, JJ had to quickly close the loose end on who Snoke is, and you can tell it was rushed, he definitely planned for Snoke to be fleshed out in episode 8.

Speaking of fleshed out, I actually enjoyed how they improved Poe Dameron as a character. If you ignored the very insensitive side in episode 8 where at the start he clearly had the mentality "The greatest number for the greatest good" as in, sacrifice your men for the best results, he became more down to earth, realising the burden of commanding an entire fleet so suddenly, and once he acknowledges many pilots may die for what appears to be a losing war, he breaks down over the stress.

Ben felt rushed. Again, the development needed for him to fit his ending needed to be expressed in episode 8. There was no conflict in episode 8 in comparison to Vader, who once you look back at episode 5, he wanted Luke to live because he could rule the empire as *father and son*, and overthrow the emperor. In comparison to Ben who wants Rey for...? It's not like she's related. Seems like he only wanted her on his side because she was cute.

Although I did like the relationship between Ben and Rey being 'strong' enough for the force to assist them (i.e. physical manifestation), something that conflicts the original belief of the Jedi.

I didn't like Palpatine return. I liked the idea that Snoke is an imperfect clone because of the poor advancements in tech (or purposeful, depending on your view). But bringing Palpy back was a no-no for me.

Force powers have for some reason increased by a 100 fold in the past millennia in the star wars universe. Force lightning that can fry an entire armada? Healing? Rey is more powerful than vader. Yeah, damn right that erks me, even if he's a cyborg. When he was Rey's age, he attempted force healing and failed.

I'm nto bothered by Rey, but she, kylo, snoke and new palpy feel way out of universe in terms of power scale. It's like that non-canon trailer for the force unleashed video game where starkiller brings down an entire star destroyer with the force.

Overall conflicted, I really want to enjoy it, but the series has lowered my expectations. In my view, it's so bad, the prequels feel like the perfect expansion of the SW universe.
 
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Watched it. Certainly did a better job with what very little plot points Rian Johnson left (after purposely destroying them all whilst bringing absolutely nothing new to the table).

However, it felt like an endgame movie. Except it was done by DC with only 2 prior movies. LOL. So much story and detail jumbled into one, it was like a short series of a comics made into a live-action adaption. Looks good on paper, when actually told as a movie, you can see it's just blatant fan-service.

I should clarify I don't blame JJ in any way for my gripes with this film. I think he did a fine job setting up his vision in TFA with the mysteries. I simply blame Rian Johnson for ignoring or purposely making those plot points ignorable. I mean, JJ had to quickly close the loose end on who Snoke is, and you can tell it was rushed, he definitely planned for Snoke to be fleshed out in episode 8.

Speaking of fleshed out, I actually enjoyed how they improved Poe Dameron as a character. If you ignored the very insensitive side in episode 8 where at the start he clearly had the mentality "The greatest number for the greatest good" as in, sacrifice your men for the best results, he became more down to earth, realising the burden of commanding an entire fleet so suddenly, and once he acknowledges many pilots may die for what appears to be a losing war, he breaks down over the stress.

Ben felt rushed. Again, the development needed for him to fit his ending needed to be expressed in episode 8. There was no conflict in episode 8 in comparison to Vader, who once you look back at episode 5, he wanted Luke to live because he could rule the empire as *father and son*, and overthrow the emperor. In comparison to Ben who wants Rey for...? It's not like she's related. Seems like he only wanted her on his side because she was cute.

Although I did like the relationship between Ben and Rey being 'strong' enough for the force to assist them (i.e. physical manifestation), something that conflicts the original belief of the Jedi.

I didn't like Palpatine return. I liked the idea that Snoke is an imperfect clone because of the poor advancements in tech (or purposeful, depending on your view). But bringing Palpy back was a no-no for me.

Force powers have for some reason increased by a 100 fold in the past millennia in the star wars universe. Force lightning that can fry an entire armada? Healing? Rey is more powerful than vader. Yeah, damn right that erks me, even if he's a cyborg. When he was Rey's age, he attempted force healing and failed.

I'm nto bothered by Rey, but she, kylo, snoke and new palpy feel way out of universe in terms of power scale. It's like that non-canon trailer for the force unleashed video game where starkiller brings down an entire star destroyer with the force.

Overall conflicted, I really want to enjoy it, but the series has lowered my expectations. In my view, it's so bad, the prequels feel like the perfect expansion of the SW universe.
Well said. Thats been my biggest issue with this trilogy, the force. They went zero to rediculous in 2 seconds. Totally destroys the fundamental foundation of SW.

On a side note how funny is it that in the last 5 movies, there has literally been only 1 decent lightsaber battle/scene (10secs of vader boarding in rogue 1).

I also enjoyed how Rose was pretty much benched in this film. She appeared just enough so that Disney dont look like they caved to fan pressure.
 
i saw the film yesterday. Action is great, and i really love the ruins of the deathstar and teh water, also the sith temple and palpatine is the best character for me.
BUT why they ruined the film with the star destroyers ??
That is bull ****.
They have 1000 of them an one litte antenna to protect them? nonsense
The antenna is disabled and show this to the rebels? Come on
Then one ship with the same antenna on it?? and Fin destroys it with a on board canon? I Hate this
Why not a epic space battle never seen in a film? They had the technik and the money but thes choos the ******* antenna
 
That was the weirdest/ most awful opening scene after the crawl - it was like it had been accidentally edited on my an intern.
What a convoluted story. Still some nice moments.
I checked out after TLJ so nothing bothered me too much. It is like a strange ‘the greatest hits’ of Star Wars. JJ can’t help himself.
 
Jumped in here out of sick curiosity,

I haven't voted because I haven't seen this movie.
And I won't be voting because I won't be seeing this movie.
I understand I'm not allowed to participate in this thread, because I'm not allowed to have an opinion having not seen the film,
but is it okay with you guys who own this thread if I at least read it?
I just want to know what people who did see it thought about it.

It’s BS to say one can not have an opinion not seeing a film. These days the entire film’s plots are detailed online and one can certainly have a valid opinion on creative directions taken.
hell with revisits to so many classic franchises it’s mandatory I do my research before putting something in my head I cannot remove.
 
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Well I saw it for nothing

Glad I didn’t pay,....it is better than the Last Jedi....but still is a poor movie.....laughable really

only bit that got me was Ben saying ( or not saying) I love you to his Dad.....never had a chance to do that to mine before he went

Overall....acting, music & effects were top notch......just the story & concept ruined it for me.....not the worst Star Wars film....there is one below it

J
 
How can people be satisfied with this film? It leaves more questions than answers and it felt too 'Marvel' if there is such a thing.

It did nothing more that destroy all the OT stands for. The Palpatine bit was too far fetched and looked out of place.
 
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