NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
So, Ben dies and becomes one with the Force. Rey died and was just laying there with a dead stare...?
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)
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Never once have I EVER before this post, EVER.... mentioned or talked about a yellow lightsaber online or in real life.
So, I repeat, "and?"
niennumb1, I think what I'm saddest about is that they can't take, like, a decade-long break, work on the Disney+ shows, do the KOTOR movies... and then come back and continue the story(ies) of the further adventures of Rey, Finn, Poe, et al, as John and Daisy (and, I think, Oscar) have all said they are ******* done with Star Wars... *sigh* ...largely thanks to the vocal "fans".
No, this trilogy is not what I had hoped it might be. Frankly, I wish the so-called experts at LFL knew at least as much about the real-world history of Star Wars as many of us here and opted to do this as six films -- as George had originally planned for each of his heroes' arcs -- instead of three. My biggest thing in all of this has been the hyper-compression of things in the ST. So much to cram into so little run-time, so many choices about where to start it, what to show and what to leave out, what to leave to ancillary materials to fill in. I like so many moments in these films... I mainly just want to be allowed to savor them, instead of having to already be paying attention to the three subsequent moments that have now already happened while I was trying to take that first one in.
On further reflection, and as a nice nod to a now-Legends character, I wish it had been Ben at the Lars homestead at the end.
"Who are you?"
"I'm Ben."
"Ben who?"
*Ben looks out across the sands, sees the apparitions of Luke and Leia gazing on approvingly* "...Ben Skywalker."
*Rey come out of the garage* "I think I can get that old generator running..." *sees the old woman and stops* "Oh. Hi. I'm Rey."
"Rey Skywalker?"
*Rey looks at Ben* "...Yeah... Yeah. Rey Skywalker."
I wonder if Han/Leia shippers would have ruined their eventual getting together for other fans, had there been an internet back in '83...
No, this trilogy is not what I had hoped it might be. Frankly, I wish the so-called experts at LFL knew at least as much about the real-world history of Star Wars as many of us here and opted to do this as six films -- as George had originally planned for each of his heroes' arcs -- instead of three. My biggest thing in all of this has been the hyper-compression of things in the ST. So much to cram into so little run-time, so many choices about where to start it, what to show and what to leave out, what to leave to ancillary materials to fill in. I like so many moments in these films... I mainly just want to be allowed to savor them, instead of having to already be paying attention to the three subsequent moments that have now already happened while I was trying to take that first one in.
On further reflection, and as a nice nod to a now-Legends character, I wish it had been Ben at the Lars homestead at the end.
"Who are you?"
"I'm Ben."
"Ben who?"
*Ben looks out across the sands, sees the apparitions of Luke and Leia gazing on approvingly* "...Ben Skywalker."
*Rey come out of the garage* "I think I can get that old generator running..." *sees the old woman and stops* "Oh. Hi. I'm Rey."
"Rey Skywalker?"
*Rey looks at Ben* "...Yeah... Yeah. Rey Skywalker."
I wonder if Han/Leia shippers would have ruined their eventual getting together for other fans, had there been an internet back in '83...
The Terminator, NakedMoleRat was trying to repond to JoMamma_Smurf's comment about the yellow lightsaber now being canon, but he misspelled canon and you corrected him, and that's what NMR quoted, rather than JMS's original post. Just a mix-up.
Jagjaguwar
Sr Member
Wait, can you elaborate on this a little? Lucas originally wanted 6 more films after ROTJ? I don’t remember this, if I ever heard it before in the first place.
Thinking about “what might have been,” though... I think the single most damaging thing that happened with Star Wars, as relates to any films beyond the original three, was the huge gap in years between the OT and the prequels, and the decision to make prequels instead of doing a number of sequels before all the old heroes were about 70 years old. I do know that there was “Star Wars fatigue” for a period of time after Jedi, but... I dunno, that huge gap created such impossibly high expectations that the Prequels (and IMO nothing since) were unable to meet.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Thank you. The things that people get bent out of shape over!
I've been saying the exact same thing to my friends
Two-fold. In early interviews, George talked about a twelve-episode saga. After Star Wars came out and he started being asked about Star Wars 2, it without fanfare changed to a nine-episode saga. That was also when Star Wars got "Episode IV -- A New Hope" hung on it in it's pre-ESB re-releases. Meanwhile, in George's notes, the whole thing was called "The Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars" and was divided into two halves, "The Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi" and "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker". When he went back to his notes to start working on Star Wars 2, he decided there was only enough in the Obi-Wan portion for three films, rather than six. Hence Episode IV and the unceremonious trimming of the length of the entire series.
After Star Wars had almost killed him from wearing too many hats, he delegated writing and directing for Empire, ended up hating how little control that gave him over the finished product (up to the point he sold Lucasfilm, he considered Empire to be the weakest Star Wars film), and was getting tired of it all. He had never intended to do a series, and was now getting even more frustrated. He'd fought the Directors' Guild and paid Kershner's fine and just wanted to be done with Star Wars. So instead of Jedi being about Luke coming into his full power as a Jedi Knight and rescuing Han and his friends from Jabba, that got squished into the first act and he tacked on enough of the rest of Luke's arc to tie it off and go make Howard the Duck.
And that's how we ended up with an Original Trilogy instead of either an Original Sextet, or even an entire saga. And this is the short version.
The most damaging thing to Star Wars was George not believing in his vision enough to start at the beginning. He thought he had one shot and picked what he felt was the most self-contained moment from roughly the middle, pulled some elements from the end (Death Star, wookiees...), and then had to scramble to figure out the rest of the series when he hadn't really intended to do a full series.
A bold filmmaker would pull a "Boyhood", film a trilogy, wait a few years and do other things, film another trilogy, wait a few years while doing other things, etc. Yeah, you have to hope people cast as kids grow up to be Nevilles rather than Rons, and yeah, you have to hope nobody dies in a freak accident or from cancer or something, but you could ideally keep the same actors as the same characters over the course of a truly-generational epic. And the excitement as each new arc drew nigh would be better-paid-off than what we had to deal with. 'Cause there'd be, y'know, an actual plan beyond legal pads of thumbnailed ideas.
Axlotl
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HMSwolfe
Master Member
If he considered Empire the weakest, why does it have the least changes of all the special editions, especially story-changing ones?
el toro
Sr Member
Your photo is very helpful in understanding the spatial orientation of Palpatine’s lair in the Death Star. Many Thanks.
But I’m now curious how that skinny tower survived the Death Star explosion. Actually, I’m still not sure how such a huge chunk of the Death Star survived and crashed on the Endor moon. And even after the Piece of the Death Star crashed, palpatine’s throne was still nailed down firmly?
Actually, I’m also wondering how a pasty old man survived a fall down an energy shaft even after he crashed and caused an explosion from his fall. And then he survived the explosion of the Death Star? Did he somehow fly in space like Leia away from the Death Star after it exploded?
Also I had posted in another thread several weeks ago a photo of Palpatine shooting lightening into the sky. Turns out that was true and he was able to disable the rebel ships. So why didn’t he use this power during ROTJ?
And why did two lightsabers instead of one make all the difference in reflecting sidious’ lightening? So were mace windu and Yoda dumba$$es for not figuring out that one lightsaber is obviously not strong enough to properly reflect a sith lord’s lightening strikes? Man they must feel pretty dumb in their force ghost land.
Oh well! That’s a story for another day.
But I’m now curious how that skinny tower survived the Death Star explosion. Actually, I’m still not sure how such a huge chunk of the Death Star survived and crashed on the Endor moon. And even after the Piece of the Death Star crashed, palpatine’s throne was still nailed down firmly?
Actually, I’m also wondering how a pasty old man survived a fall down an energy shaft even after he crashed and caused an explosion from his fall. And then he survived the explosion of the Death Star? Did he somehow fly in space like Leia away from the Death Star after it exploded?
Also I had posted in another thread several weeks ago a photo of Palpatine shooting lightening into the sky. Turns out that was true and he was able to disable the rebel ships. So why didn’t he use this power during ROTJ?
And why did two lightsabers instead of one make all the difference in reflecting sidious’ lightening? So were mace windu and Yoda dumba$$es for not figuring out that one lightsaber is obviously not strong enough to properly reflect a sith lord’s lightening strikes? Man they must feel pretty dumb in their force ghost land.
Oh well! That’s a story for another day.
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Mr Webber
Master Member
So the EFAP crew just finished 8 hours of totally exposing this farce for what it is predominately by just pointing out how things fall apart using basic common sense or established story telling principles let alone the murky aspects such as canon.
Please, please show me where any of these "actors" have stated they aren't interested in more projects because of vocal "fans". Didn't that used to be "small group of vocal fans", I see that ones not being used anymore. The only things I have seen coming from cast is they were not happy with aspects of their film experiences, particularly Boyega and Issac's, who said in an interview ..." You aint gunna Disney Plus me" That's verbatim by the way. Thank God this misrepresentation is over for a few years. So I guess this is going to be the new Kelly Marie Tran narrative.
The whole "shipping" thing would never have even been a thing in the 80`s regardless of the internet or not. Having lived through that era, it would never have been allowed to get off the ground. Just on that, I found it fascinating that easily the most disturbed and heavily criticised by the actual actors involved especially Adam Driver, the "Reylo`s" actually got what they wanted in this.
Please, please show me where any of these "actors" have stated they aren't interested in more projects because of vocal "fans". Didn't that used to be "small group of vocal fans", I see that ones not being used anymore. The only things I have seen coming from cast is they were not happy with aspects of their film experiences, particularly Boyega and Issac's, who said in an interview ..." You aint gunna Disney Plus me" That's verbatim by the way. Thank God this misrepresentation is over for a few years. So I guess this is going to be the new Kelly Marie Tran narrative.
The whole "shipping" thing would never have even been a thing in the 80`s regardless of the internet or not. Having lived through that era, it would never have been allowed to get off the ground. Just on that, I found it fascinating that easily the most disturbed and heavily criticised by the actual actors involved especially Adam Driver, the "Reylo`s" actually got what they wanted in this.
jhazard
Sr Member
She was just mostly dead?
el toro
Sr Member
I guess that’s a story for another day also. Maybe it’s the third medal that was made for the AnH ceremony but was dropped, damaged and discarded by c-3po.
Otherwise I can see arguments that it could be Luke’s (because he abandoned all material items to his sister before leaving to live in solitude) or Han’s (because he abandoned his to his wife after things didn’t work out with their son and marriage).
Otherwise I can see arguments that it could be Luke’s (because he abandoned all material items to his sister before leaving to live in solitude) or Han’s (because he abandoned his to his wife after things didn’t work out with their son and marriage).
Mmhm. Probably an early example of patented George Lucas Inconsistency™. *heh* He envisioned it as a theoretical serial, like the Buck Rogers serials he liked, and that he'd wanted to do a modern version of, but couldn't secure the rights. But there's a difference between roughly plotting out a serialized story on paper and actually intending to do the whole thing. If he did, he'd've started at the beginning. I'd need to dig up the actual text of those earliest interviews, because I don't want to rely on my memory, but the language he uses is... hedge-y. He doesn't say flat-out "this is going to be..." or "this is the beginning of...", just that we're coming into the middle of a twelve-episode saga.
Toadmeister
Sr Member
George changed his mind and story so many times I don’t know what the real plan was anymore.
And George doesn’t either. That mans just a crazy old Wizard....
I really, really enjoyed the brief 20 second scene where it shows Luke training Leia in the forest. That’s the movie we should have gotten in the 90’s. So much potential there.
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