Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Post-release)

What did you think of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker?

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Joek3rr said:
As I see it balance is still equal parts light and dark. The thing is people like Palpatine have grown the Dark Side, so that it's so much more powerful then the Light. So that killing him balances out the Force.
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but the problem is this isn’t a debate. We know that balance is the removal of the dark side from the force. Not only from Lucas’s lips but from episode 3 itself.


Obi wan: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.

We know that the Chosen one was the one destined to bring balance to the force. As Obi wan states (and he would know about the prophecy because his master Qui Gon was a strong believer of the chosen one prophecy), the chosen one was destined to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith. This, we can conclude that bring balance at least entails destroying the sith.
 
Haven’t seen it mentioned yet in this thread, but is it just me, or is Exogol clearly Malachor (V?) as seen in “Rebels”? Not only the planet surface, but the pyramidal Sith temple, both inside and outside.

True, there are a lot of wasteland planets in the galaxy, and the Sith undoubtedly could have built multiple versions of that style of temple, but if the set design was meant to evoke Malachor so much, why not just have the planet be Malachor?
 
HeartBlade said:
but the problem is this isn’t a debate. We know that balance is the removal of the dark side from the force. Not only from Lucas’s lips but from episode 3 itself.


Obi wan: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.

We know that the Chosen one was the one destined to bring balance to the force. As Obi wan states (and he would know about the prophecy because his master Qui Gon was a strong believer of the chosen one prophecy), the chosen one was destined to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith. This, we can conclude that bring balance at least entails destroying the sith.
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And its said more than once.
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Did anyone else get a very strong Dr. Channard from Hellraiser 2 vibe from Palpatine? From his general countenance to the big arm holding up his body, very cenobite-like.
 
Detail oriented nitpick: Kylo Ren found a perfect condition OT TIE fighter on the death star wreck, but how did it get to the fight at the end? They have no hyperdrive.

I noticed more but can't recall at the mo.

Everybody rose up against the first order at the end, but we see systems with no fighting capability or even population defeat capital ships (Endor / Jakku). Would have been a great moment to show Naboo and a couple of N-1s zoom by, letting us imagine those beautiful ships fighting modern First Order.


It felt kinder and more sentimental than TLJ, I think it was C3PO's best outing. The events of the movie toward the end became a confusing mess. I don't feel negative about it, it is what it is.

Only thing I flat-out didn't like was each Star Destroyer being a planet killer. Makes the Death Stars' and Starkiller's magnitude seem pointless.


By the way, where was Matt Smith in this?
 
I don’t know why anyone expected anything major from the new characters. It was obvious there will be no time to develop anyone brand new.
The other thing I never got is the obsession on how Maz got the Graflex, it was completely irrelevant in my eyes. Her character was pretty underutilised tho, she could have taken part in Rey’s training to bring a unique non-jedi aspect. Had there been time to expand on that training.
 
mortifactor said:
Detail oriented nitpick: Kylo Ren found a perfect condition OT TIE fighter on the death star wreck, but how did it get to the fight at the end? They have no hyperdrive.

I noticed more but can't recall at the mo.

Everybody rose up against the first order at the end, but we see systems with no fighting capability or even population defeat capital ships (Endor / Jakku). Would have been a great moment to show Naboo and a couple of N-1s zoom by, letting us imagine those beautiful ships fighting modern First Order.


It felt kinder and more sentimental than TLJ, I think it was C3PO's best outing. The events of the movie toward the end became a confusing mess. I don't feel negative about it, it is what it is.

Only thing I flat-out didn't like was each Star Destroyer being a planet killer. Makes the Death Stars' and Starkiller's magnitude seem pointless.


By the way, where was Matt Smith in this?
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It was never officially announced that Matt Smith was even a cast member. It was a rumour that gained traction
 
so I guess the early leaks that Jannah is lando’s daughter have been confirmed via the visual dictionary, although the editing in the film almost seemed to convey that Lando was hitting on Jannah.

Lando’s Daughter
 
mortifactor said:
Detail oriented nitpick: Kylo Ren found a perfect condition OT TIE fighter on the death star wreck, but how did it get to the fight at the end? They have no hyperdrive.

I noticed more but can't recall at the mo.

Everybody rose up against the first order at the end, but we see systems with no fighting capability or even population defeat capital ships (Endor / Jakku). Would have been a great moment to show Naboo and a couple of N-1s zoom by, letting us imagine those beautiful ships fighting modern First Order.


It felt kinder and more sentimental than TLJ, I think it was C3PO's best outing. The events of the movie toward the end became a confusing mess. I don't feel negative about it, it is what it is.

Only thing I flat-out didn't like was each Star Destroyer being a planet killer. Makes the Death Stars' and Starkiller's magnitude seem pointless.


By the way, where was Matt Smith in this?
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Lmao!!! Yes!! I didn’t think of that!
 
HeartBlade said:
but the problem is this isn’t a debate. We know that balance is the removal of the dark side from the force. Not only from Lucas’s lips but from episode 3 itself.


Obi wan: You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.

We know that the Chosen one was the one destined to bring balance to the force. As Obi wan states (and he would know about the prophecy because his master Qui Gon was a strong believer of the chosen one prophecy), the chosen one was destined to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith. This, we can conclude that bring balance at least entails destroying the sith.
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Destroy the Sith, not the Dark Side. The Sith are not the Dark Side.

  • "The overriding philosophy in Episode I—and in all the Star Wars movies, for that matter—is the balance between good and evil." -George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Making of Episode I, 1999
  • "In each of us we to have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything." -George Lucas, Time Magazine article, 2002
  • "The idea of positive and negative, that there are two sides to an entity, a push and a pull, a yin and a yang, and the struggle between the two sides are issues of nature that I wanted to include in the film." -George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays
  • "The Force has two sides - [Light and Dark]. It is not a[n inherently] malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope." -George Lucas, Times Magazine, 1980
  • "I wanted to have this mythological footing because I was basing the films on the idea that the Force has two sides, the good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there. Most religions are built on that, whether it's called yin and yang, God and the devil—everything is built on the push-pull tension created by two sides of the equation. Right from the very beginning, that was the key issue in Star Wars." -George Lucas, Times Magazine, 2002

"It is only here that I can control them. A family in balance. The light and the dark. Day with night. Destruction, replaced by creation...Too much light or dark would be the undoing of life as you understand it." - The Father
 
OK, I've got a few minutes before I head off to work (retail blows this time of year), let's see if I can get most of this down.

I'll start with what I didn't care for. The basic plot structure in this movie didn't do much for me, as it basically amounts to an overblown fetch quest. That having been said, Star Wars is not known for having particularly spectacular moment to moment plot work, so it get's kind of a 'whatever' from me on this point.
On two viewings now and I haven't picked up a whole lot of new music cues, though the Rise of Skywalker track on the CD is pretty good. I was expecting a lot of auditory callbacks given that this is THE END so that didn't disappoint me too much. Once I get through the whole CD and match things up with the movie things might change. I'm sure The Soundtrack Show will get to it eventually (score fans should be listening to this podcast, btw).

Onward. I can see how people think that this movie is lifting a big middle finger at Rian Johnson's Ep8, but that's not how it came across to me. I felt more like it codified those decisions with the end of Luke's arc being that he recognized going into hiding was wrong and was able to pass that lesson down to Rey, because that's a character arc. Also, Chekhov's X-Wing, anyone? I am still surprised that it didn't get used in Ep8, but I always felt like there was no way we didn't get Luke lifting that X-Wing out of the water. I really feel like the whole Ach-to sequence paid off Luke's plot from Ep8.

The expansion of force powers in this movie is interesting to me, and I have thoughts. First, I think the whole force dyad thing is a concept that was born out of the connection Rey and Kylo were given in earlier films, expanded to the Nth degree. It occurs to me, though I haven't seen any official word on it, that the way they were able to interact physically while not in the same physical space is entirely due to their special relationship in the force. For instance, I don't think it would have been canonically possible for Anakin and Obi-Wan to have handed off a lightsaber in that fashion. On a similar note, Palps's mega force lightning I expect would only have been possible on Exegol (or Malachor, or Korriban, or Moriband) due to it being a place of concentrated dark side energy. I'm just spitballing here, but it feels right given what we've seen in the past.

I think my biggest disappointment is just that 20 years of EU conditioned me to want to know what happens after the empire was defeated, and it turned out to be "Well, let's fight the empire again!" I really hope and expect that whatever comes next breaks some new ground in regards to villainy.
 
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