Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Pre-release)

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

If he's not force sensitive he must have a kill switch implanted in Kylo's head otherwise he wouldn't stand a chance against him.

Well Gallius Rax is Force sensitive in the book but we haven't seen anything from Snoke on screen that would indicate that yet.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

Well, I have said before Snoke's backstory only needs to satisfy the story they are telling. So from the film the general audience knows he leads the First Order, may or may not be Force sensitive but seems to be in a position to "train" Kylo Ren (which may or may not mean what we think it means), has clearly been in a terrible accident, and is very concerned about Luke creating new Jedi. If it were revealed in the film he was a former apprentice to Palpatine, trusted with a great secret on Jakku from which he may have learned something Palpatine never discovers for himself but greatly valued, is Force sensitive, commanded an Imperial remnant, and may have been injured greviosuly in the Battle of Jakku, that would be very easy to convey over the next two films.

It's gotta be him otherwise this is a tremendous waste of intrigue for Chuck Wendig and the story group.

Well, if that's all the audience needs to know, I don't really see what purpose there really is for him to have an alias especially if the audience doesn't really recognize the importance of it. Why not just be Snoke- Palpatine apprentice and guardian of Jakku secrets?

Regardless, perhaps the SSD we see in TFA is the Ravager itself?

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

Terrific article about the story group that was retweeted by Pablo with his endorsement.

http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2016/08/europe-2016-a-celebration-of-the-lucasfilm-story-group/

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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Sounds good! A couple things I liked from that:

Following the announcement that Grand Admiral Thrawn would make an appearance in Rebels, Filoni even mentioned the ysalamiri from Heir to the Empire, saying that they would not be making the journey from Legends because, having discussed the idea with George Lucas years ago, they came to the conclusion that the Force-repelling creatures contradict Lucas’s conception of the Force.

The ysalamiri always bugged me in the Thrawn Trilogy. I can see another Jedi blocking or removing someone's ability to touch the Force (like one of those Tales of the Jedi comic series), but not some animal. If life creates the Force, and vice versa, an animal that negates the Force doesn't add up.

The sense I had from these panels was that Lucasfilm, and the Story Group, have a deep knowledge not merely of the minutiae of alien names and starship classes, but of the core themes and characters of Star Wars.

That's what I was hoping for as far as what things could be kept from the old EU. There's a ton of cool ships, tech, locations, etc. that could be farmed for future SW media if it fits. I couldn't see that they would just throw all of that out. I still wish they had used the TIE Avenger in TFA instead of the lame TIE we got. Now they may not do that every time, but as long as someone is there to answer "Do we have some kind of gunship?" and they could come up with an existing design that might work.

 

[Wolfsburg]

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Agreed. I'm glad he at least had the good sense to not bring the ysalamiri back.

 

[seelsa73]

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Hmm, those creatures in the display case looked to me an awful lot like the ysalamiri as represented by Chris Trevas. Just saying.

 

[Westies14]

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You know what'd be nice? If Snoke's name (as much as I dislike it) was just Snoke. The prequels were so needlessly disorienting with Padme/Amidala, Dooku/Tyranus, Sideous/Palpatine, etc. I wholeheartedly agree with Wolfsburg up above: Truly anticlimactic to find out he's REALLY some other character whose name means absolutely nothing to you.

 

[JD]

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Where Tyranus and Sideous even referred to by those names in the prequel movies?

...and to be honest the whole name game started in the original Star Wars... you know, with old Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi.

 

[cboath]

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Where Tyranus and Sideous even referred to by those names in the prequel movies?

...and to be honest the whole name game started in the original Star Wars... you know, with old Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi.

End of AotC i think, palpatine calls Dooku Lord Tyrannus - just once.
In TPM (i think) the nemoidians call palpatine Lord Sidious.

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

You know what'd be nice? If Snoke's name (as much as I dislike it) was just Snoke. The prequels were so needlessly disorienting with Padme/Amidala, Dooku/Tyranus, Sideous/Palpatine, etc. I wholeheartedly agree with @Wolfsburg up above: Truly anticlimactic to find out he's REALLY some other character whose name means absolutely nothing to you.

Very true. The another name would only have meaning and shock value if it was one from the big screen only. Though i'm not sure there are any names left that could have that shock value without an eyeroll. Windu? Tarkin? Fett? you'd need a #$% ton of explanation to make any believable and all requiring a lot of eyeroll.

 

[doctorDWwho]

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Very true. The another name would only have meaning and shock value if it was one from the big screen only. Though i'm not sure there are any names left that could have that shock value without an eyeroll. Windu? Tarkin? Fett? you'd need a #$% ton of explanation to make any believable and all requiring a lot of eyeroll.

I quite agree. The only 'logical' person that would carry any weight would be Plagueis

 

[Wolfsburg]

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Well I don't think it necessarily has to be a name we've heard from the previous films but I do think any alias needs to be incorporated into the new films rather than just being a name dropped from nowhere.

 

[cboath]

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I think it needs to be a name from the past otherwise, there's no point in revealing a different name.

Had Emperor Palpatine or even Senator Palpatine come out and said 'Ha! Now i'll have my revenge. I'm really Ziggy Johnson and now you'll pay!' no one would give a crap and we'd all question the point of the other name in first place. There's no point in a name reveal if it doesn't mean something to the audience. It's poor writing if it means something the characters, but the audience was never informed.

Not sure Plagueis even qualifies. The emporer's teacher, supposedly killed by him. Ok. People flipped out over Windu still being alive due to his age. If Palpatine was Plag's student, who ultimately killed him, you'd have to figure that Palpatine was 65ish ROTS, around 90 at the end of ROTJ and would therefore be 120 if still around for TFA. If Plag was 30 years his senior, he'd be pushing 150 right now. Unless you wanna play up the that he really figured out how to live forever, the 150 would be really hard to explain i think.

 

[astroboy]

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You know, when I was watching ROTS, I never assumed that plagueis was palpatines' master. I just thought he was talking about an old legend

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[Bryancd]

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Guys it's not going to be Plagueis.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

Guys, John Harrison is not Khan.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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You know, when I was watching ROTS, I never assumed that plagueis was palpatines' master. I just thought he was talking about an old legend

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My friend said the same thing. I thought it was pretty obviously by the self satisfied sneer Palpatine has while telling it.

Snoke better not be anyone we know about. They pulled this stupid crap with the reborn Emperor in the comics.

 

[astroboy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

My friend said the same thing. I thought it was pretty obviously by the self satisfied sneer Palpatine has while telling it.

Snoke better not be anyone we know about. They pulled this stupid crap with the reborn Emperor in the comics.

I just thought the whole story was made up. Cheating death? He was just manipulating anakin imho

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[Halliwax]

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Guys it's not going to be Plagueis.

i have to agree with you, i honestly think kennedy wants to forget the prequels... tying snoke into the prequels i dont think is the direction they want to go... i do like the theory that snoke has been on the outer reaches of space, and palpatine knew of him....

as for pap's explaining plagueis i believe plaqueis was his master and pap's killed him in his sleep. pap's seemed to proud when telling the story for it to be fake

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII (Pre-release)

i have to agree with you, i honestly think kennedy wants to forget the prequels... tying snoke into the prequels i dont think is the direction they want to go... i do like the theory that snoke has been on the outer reaches of space, and palpatine knew of him....

as for pap's explaining plagueis i believe plaqueis was his master and pap's killed him in his sleep. pap's seemed to proud when telling the story for it to be fake

Yeah, although I don't think it's an anti PT bias, it's just tying these sequel films closer to the OT which makes sense chronologically and narratively. Then you add in all the comments made by people within LF, both Kasdan and the story group, and it becomes less opaque. And it's not LF policy to just outright make a public statement which is a lie like Bad Robot did with ST Into Darkness.