Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Pre-release)

[KrangPrime]

Part of my problem with the new books, is that EVERYONE started dying. even the 15 year olds. horribly. it got real old, real fast, and i started to wear on all the death and dreariness after a while. so yeah, i agree. the new books after chewie died felt less and less like star wars...but i found the general characters still interesting to keep up with it. Han's decent into depression was also interesting to see him come back from after chewie died.

at this point, i stopped following movies closely last year, because it just proved to draining these days. if i see something about it, i will comment on it, but other than that, i've almost stopped going out looking for stuff.

But you can't expect people who liked most of the EU to not go 'gee, this is so close, why throw what was done out, if star wars jumps into a continuing story anyway?'

I get WHY it was done, but disney star wars just seems like it's rehashing stuff to me. not onyl from star wars, but now other movies, and for the most part, it comes off as lazy.

There was less original in TFA's for me to like than there was in The Prequal trilogy. Maz was one of the few cool things to come out of that movie, and she's a yoda clone, right down to the long life span!

 

[niennumb1]

Bad things happen to good people all the time and life is not fair.

I've seen more in film and TV that you can't assume everyone is safe anymore and that the entertainment game has changed in that regard.

I agree with the above that Harrison wanted out and was most likely part of the agreement in him coming back was to ensure he wouldn't be back after that. They worked it into the plot and bam... done.

I also agree on this argument of crappy ship designs. The falcon was a proclaimed hunk of junk, but Han loved it unconditionally because it helped get him out of trouble and functionally did what was necessary. People loved the falcon's look though! But anyway.... yes there's plenty of not-so-pretty looking vessels out there in the military whose function is what came more important than how awesome it looked when it flew/drove.



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[astroboy]

I'm about to make a huge mistake. I'm showing Star wars ANH to my 4 and 5 year old for the first time.

He's Star wars crazy...So I figger it's time

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[JD]

Rian Johnson: The Last Jedi is singular.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2017/04/rian-johnson-says-last-jedi-is-singular.html

 

[Galactican]

My theory: Luke refers to "the Jedi". This can be read as singular as well, so maybe he means Kylo (if he is a Jedi, that is).

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Ok a couple of things. First, one last time because apparently no one reads my message about this or the three or four other people who have said it, Balance of the Force is not a literal balance. It is a JEDI PROPHECY from the Jedi's point of view. It means a complete absence of the Sith. NOT equal numbers of Sith and Jedi. That's a rule that Lucas set down. It doesn't matter what you think it means, George Lucas set the rules for the SW universe. Unless Disney wants to totally make up whatever they want, that's still the rules. Also Pablo Hidalgo (story group) said in a panel that there are no "grey Jedi". You can't just have good intentions and use evil powers (the latter is my part)

Second since people were talking about the Zahn trilogy, that's my benchmark for these movies. I think IMO that if they aren't better they fail for me. Obviously they couldn't do that because of the actors' ages, but what they came up with for TFA was disappointing in comparison. I'm still trying to stay open to TLJ and I hope it does start getting better.


Also I keep hearing people here and on other boards saying that Luke failed to create a new generation of Jedi. Unless Luke was at fault for his academy, or whatever they want to call it, being destroyed then it wasn't a failure at all. It was attacked. I'm guessing almost all of the students were new otherwise they would have been able to defend themselves. The part that really bugs me is that you'd think in 40 years he'd have at least two fully trained students by then. If you figure he found some info on teaching Jedi by then, it would take up to 20yo. to be a Knight, he should have at least one or two. That's why this series is failing. Of course if you hate Jedi, as some people apparently do (why are you watching SW?) then it's no problem.

I still really hope that the title refers to Luke and that he meant they needed to end the Jedi as they were and create a new order with new rules. Not that the Jedi will cease to exist.

 

[niennumb1]

They're really good at twisting words and misdirection of these trailers. I'm very glad too because I'm sick of trailers that basically give every main detail away, and linearly.

Thankfully Disney has been good carrying on the tradition of mystery and keeping us guessing up until the release of the film. I have a great feeling we're being fooled and nothing said is what it seems.

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[Psab keel]

As far as the complaints about ship designs, I agree that it's not only subjective, but it may also be a matter of function over form.

When I initially saw the first pictures of the Tumbler in the Dark Knight Trilogy I absolutely hated it, but when I saw what it could do when I went to see Batman Begins, I fell in love with it. So much so that it makes the Batmobile designs in other movies look cartoonish. That may be the case with some of these ships.

With Luke going into hiding, as far as the fans know, and for that matter any of the other characters in the story know it may not be guilt alone that motivated him to disappear. Perhaps he went looking for the first Jedi Temple in order to search for answers on how to stop the conflict between the dark and light sides of the Force once and for all and what he discovers is that there is more to it than any of the characters previously knew.

I have a hard time understanding why people get so worked up (good or bad) over a teaser trailer. I get excited when I see a good trailer, but I've seen plenty of amazing trailers and the movie ended up sucking royally. Man of Steel had an amazing trailer, but the movie was terrible. I don't pass final judgement until I see the finished product. I can be pretty cynical about movies too, but I think it's only reasonable to make an assessment of the movie until after you see it. Basing your whole opinion on an unreleased film on a minute and a half of non linear and or incomplete footage is ridiculous.

 

[Halliwax]

As far as the complaints about ship designs, I agree that it's not only subjective, but it may also be a matter of function over form.

When I initially saw the first pictures of the Tumbler in the Dark Knight Trilogy I absolutely hated it, but when I saw what it could do when I went to see Batman Begins, I fell in love with it. So much so that it makes the Batmobile designs in other movies look cartoonish. That may be the case with some of these ships.

With Luke going into hiding, as far as the fans know, and for that matter any of the other characters in the story know it may not be guilt alone that motivated him to disappear. Perhaps he went looking for the first Jedi Temple in order to search for answers on how to stop the conflict between the dark and light sides of the Force once and for all and what he discovers is that there is more to it than any of the characters previously knew.

I have a hard time understanding why people get so worked up (good or bad) over a teaser trailer. I get excited when I see a good trailer, but I've seen plenty of amazing trailers and the movie ended up sucking royally. Man of Steel had an amazing trailer, but the movie was terrible. I don't pass final judgement until I see the finished product. I can be pretty cynical about movies too, but I think it's only reasonable to make an assessment of the movie until after you see it. Basing your whole opinion on an unreleased film on a minute and a half of non linear and or incomplete footage is ridiculous.

i felt the same exact way

 

[NeoRutty]

i felt the same exact way

Same. And then I paid to see it in person I liked it so much.

And that goes for Kylo Ren - hated his helmet design and suit. Now I love it.

 

[JD]

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/853408721527091200

Rian Johnson: "I only know one truth" - spoken by Luke (he replied to me).

 

[Reelo]

...has it ever occured to you that the line "it's time for the Jedi to end" might NOT be the end of the sentence?! It would not be the first time audio gets cut up for a trailer in order to generate controversy.

Maybe he's really saying "it's time for the Jedi to end this battle" or "...the First Order." or "...Snoke's rule."
What I'm trying to say is that I'm 100% certain that both parts of the sentence from the trailer (about the truth and the Jedi) are most certainly not like that in the movie. And as long as we lack proper context, I assume they were put into the trailer in order to generate spin.

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[Galactican]

...has it ever occured to you that the line "it's time for the Jedi to end" might NOT be the end of the sentence?! It would not be the first time audio gets cut up for a trailer in order to generate controversy.

Indeed! You beat me to this post.

In addition, it could be the last half of the sentence or the final part of a conversation and Luke could refer to himself in a 3rd person speech. Like:

Rey: "You must come with me! You are the Jedi we need!"
Luke: "No. I have given up this fight long ago. The Jedi you was looking for is no longer. The Jedi needs rest. It is time for the Jedi to end."

 

[PantheraGem]

Stop! Everyone, we're just giving JJ what he wants, with the endless speculation. It will be really funny if that is cut from the final film.

 

[Toadmeister]

...has it ever occured to you that the line "it's time for the Jedi to end" might NOT be the end of the sentence?! It would not be the first time audio gets cut up for a trailer in order to generate controversy.

Maybe he's really saying "it's time for the Jedi to end this battle" or "...the First Order." or "...Snoke's rule."
What I'm trying to say is that I'm 100% certain that both parts of the sentence from the trailer (about the truth and the Jedi) are most certainly not like that in the movie. And as long as we lack proper context, I assume they were put into the trailer in order to generate spin.

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Agreed. Probably a red herring taken out of context. They did this with TFA also.

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[Jedi-72]

...has it ever occured to you that the line "it's time for the Jedi to end" might NOT be the end of the sentence?! It would not be the first time audio gets cut up for a trailer in order to generate controversy.

Maybe he's really saying "it's time for the Jedi to end this battle" or "...the First Order." or "...Snoke's rule."
What I'm trying to say is that I'm 100% certain that both parts of the sentence from the trailer (about the truth and the Jedi) are most certainly not like that in the movie. And as long as we lack proper context, I assume they were put into the trailer in order to generate spin.

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I doubt it. I'm VERY cool with that idea. I saw Hamill on TV talking about ep 8 and how he fundamentally disagreed with everything Rian was doing with Luke's story in 8. That's encouraging. It likely means a less obvious story for Luke, and that line could fit in with it nicely.

 

[Halliwax]

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/853408721527091200

Rian Johnson: "I only know one truth" - spoken by Luke (he replied to me).

I too believed everything spoken was Luke. They defiantly altered his voice though.. maybe to throw us all off?


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[Halliwax]

...has it ever occured to you that the line "it's time for the Jedi to end" might NOT be the end of the sentence?! It would not be the first time audio gets cut up for a trailer in order to generate controversy.

Maybe he's really saying "it's time for the Jedi to end this battle" or "...the First Order." or "...Snoke's rule."
What I'm trying to say is that I'm 100% certain that both parts of the sentence from the trailer (about the truth and the Jedi) are most certainly not like that in the movie. And as long as we lack proper context, I assume they were put into the trailer in order to generate spin.

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I never thought of that!! That's a really good idea! We also have seen this a lot in other movies to throw you off

I don't want to see the Jedi go, so I'm in this boat with you!


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[matty matt]

I'd be very surprised if there isn't some creative editing going on with that line.

 

[CutThumb]

I would be totally unsurprised if the film we think we are going to get turns out to be the total opposite.


My last word on the ship designs ( promise):
Star Wars appeals to people for a combination of many ,often very different, reasons:
For some its the nature and roles of the characters. For others its the scope of the story and its adventurous sci fi space opera themes. Some are drawn to its mystical moral teachings and codes (lets not forget there are a substantial number of people in the real world who actual count "Jedi" as their "religeon", so making Luke the "Last" of them and effectively killing off a forty year old "faith" is bound to "rancor" a little), while for others it is the overall design and aesthetic of the movies that was such a uniquely brilliant element.
I count myself amoungst the last. If you look at my actual threads you'll see a substantial number of them are all about building the exact studio scale replica models.Thats my passion for much of Star Wars. I just loved the entire OT design, how everything looked like it could really work and have an actual sensible purpose instead of just being an arty farty weirdly over designed alien sci fi type trope of a space ship .
So I will immediately react to elements of the NT that don't ring true for me, just as for many others its the other things that don't compare to their expectations of a series they have loved and followed for four decades.
The desert " skimmer" did not say "Star Wars" to me it said "Star Trek". The "T wing " rebel frigate looks EXACTLY like a cut off X wing with rather lazy greeblies grafted on to it. So thats an immediate kick in the teeth. And I'm disappointed.Particularly after "RO" where for most of it (with the exception of Krennics Ren like shuttle) they got everything dead right and actually made it feel a little more perfect.
Given that they really have shown us sod all in the trailer and there is still nothing really substantial has leaked about the script I still have high hopes for TLJ. I really like they appear to be moving away from the whole Jedi/SIth conflict because it broadens the possibilities for the future.
Can you imagine a scene in the future where a Force wielding Rey fights , sabres drawn ,to protect her family? And all the ferocity and the passion in that?
The potential for clans of Force users to now form independently, for particular traits and styles to develope free from Jedi and Sith doctorines, without being classified as either one? All the dynamic variations that become availble to story and character which are now far more unpredictable , interesting and varied.
But I know a few that will feel some dismay and a little hatred for that and for a very good reason. They have invested a huge amount of time and energy in a franchise that holds a unique position of personal "faith" and appeal to them for precisely those elements of it that will now be banished, so changing that WILL hurt a lot, depending how deep the loyalty for that goes. And Star Wars fans, as events like Celebration show, care a very great deal about these films and exactly what happens in them.
So when people have a difficulty with change and voice it, just accept it, its part of human nature. Personally I know I will never feel as strongly about any new SW films as I did for the OT trilogy. Some may come close, but the OT hit me at a time in my life that will never come again. It was and still does hold a uniquely powerful affection in my heart and soul, not only for the story it told but for all the moments and memories surrounding it.
I guess its good and nice to think that this new bunch of films may probably have the same effect for the new generation. And thats great, I want them to move on with the saga. But I'll still want some parts of those stories to remind me of what made my SW feel so special.