Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Only the saucer could land on a planet, and that was after an emergency saucer separation, which is pretty much the end of the ship, I forget which particular episode that was mentioned, but twenty year ago me could have told you in an instant, I believe the landing pads are the triangle shaped marks on the underside of the saucer.

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But take off from those support girders? Yes, that is pretty much like launching a ship into the sea, it can go that direction, but it is never going to go back up the ramp under its own power.

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In into darkness we see the enterprise take off from sea level, and later in the film fly through earths own atmosphere even while badly damaged.

We have been putting bigger and bigger planes in the air for the last hundred years, and we don't have the benefit of 23rd century technology.

Never mind 23rd century technology that has evolved faster than it should because of access to 24th century technology.
 
That's probably because you don't understand why anybody would like the prequels themselves, much less remember any of the small details.
 
I like them just fine, certainly I don't despise them the way a fair number of people do, but they never engendered in me the need to know everything about everything the way the OT did. Most of the designs, excluding lightsabers, I just didn't find interesting enough to really get into the details.
 
I recently went through the clone wars and love it. (Most of it. The bad episodes were really bad) the best of it was possibly the best of the franchise.

Anyway, it helped me appreciate the prequels a lot more. So I rewatched them too. And I have to say, by that last shot where obi wan drops Luke off with owen, I actually got a little bit emotional. The whole thing was so operatic.

I think that's what I hope Abrams gets. The operatic element. It's not just a space action film. It's a style. It's a timeless story. Shakespearean.

I hope that he sustains the operatic scale of the prequels (and OT, to a certain extent)
 
I have to say, by that last shot where obi wan drops Luke off with owen, I actually got a little bit emotional. The whole thing was so operatic.

I think that's what I hope Abrams gets. The operatic element. It's not just a space action film. It's a style. It's a timeless story. Shakespearean.

I hope that he sustains the operatic scale of the prequels (and OT, to a certain extent)


Qft!

Probably among the best dcenes of the whole PT.
 
Qft!

Probably among the best dcenes of the whole PT.
Totally.

That and the order 66 montage are fantasitc.

I also love the scene where Windu is going to confront palpatine. The cuts showing Anakin's confusion and Padme's worry are all awesome. Those are the bits that we love. The quiet moments.

And that's a big part of my reservation with Abrams. It's all intensity. The thing I loved about old trek is what happened between destinations. The conversations over a drink between friends. I hope this movie has that too.

If it doesn't, I think it will stick out from the rest of the franchise.

I could see his style working with a standalone film, but not with the main series
 
I, II and III were really just the backstory for IV, V and VI. But the backstory needs its own backstory - something more than filling in the blanks on the way to explaining how A New Hope came about.
I agree that, by the end of III, we were in the zone that meant the most - all the questions were answered (mostly) about Luke, Leia and Darth Vader. So the scene where Obi Wan takes the baby Luke to his adoptive parents did have more meaning to it. But it was a lot of hours to get there.
 
I recently went through the clone wars and love it. (Most of it. The bad episodes were really bad) the best of it was possibly the best of the franchise.

Anyway, it helped me appreciate the prequels a lot more. So I rewatched them too. And I have to say, by that last shot where obi wan drops Luke off with owen, I actually got a little bit emotional. The whole thing was so operatic.

I think that's what I hope Abrams gets. The operatic element. It's not just a space action film. It's a style. It's a timeless story. Shakespearean.

I hope that he sustains the operatic scale of the prequels (and OT, to a certain extent)


Well said!!! :)


Ben
 
Well said!!! :)


Ben
And he HAS to understand that lucas' space opera is a film STYLE. There are motifs to follow if you want to make a film that is true to this series.

He is not doing a reboot or re-imagination. This is the third trilogy in a series. It needs to fit into the universe of the Lucas genre.


But judging from that trailer (which was basically star wars porn. Yes, it excited me as long as I didn't think about it) I fear he may have missed it.
 
We need new information about the film, without it this thread just defaults to 1 of 2 conversations: how this movie will suck because of JJ, or PT vs. OT. Some people are just ridiculous.
 
Agreed. Reading the last few pages of this thread has been , I’ve got to say it ,a bit depressing.. Such an abundance of dark pessimism here.
So I’m going to do my level best to readdress the balance. This is why I think Episode VII:The Force Awakens may actually exceed all our expectations.

The Cast: They have deliberately brought back all our old heros. And given us a fresh group of players around whose characters the mysterious diversities and possibilities of the new story have become hugely interesting, exciting and wonderfully speculative again. Personally I am thrilled in how this will open up such a well established,and lets face it rather tired franchise. I’ve waited over thirty years to see what happened after ROTJ ,which just seemed to retread old ground after the genius of TESB. I’m rather pleased they seem to have gone for the kind of dark and uncertain future that some of us wanted decades ago.

The soundtrack: Two words ,one name; John Williams. It would be almost unthinkable to have made a SW movie without him scoring it. I listened to that first LP as a lad more times than I can remember with such enjoyment that I can’t believe I’ll do so any less with the new one.

The sound effects: Brent Burtt is the sound designer/mixer. Nobody could make a SW universe sound like SW if it wasn’t for this guy.And he’s back. Enough said.

Special Effects: There has been a huge amount of actual physical effort on set put into TFA. The stunt work was demanding and a strong emphasis was deliberately put on establishing a high level of practical realism to replicate the tone of the original wherever possible. The team responsible for it have worked on nearly all of Chris Nolans films so you can imagine how high the standards were and how well integrated they will be into the final shots. I doubt there will be many weirdly terrible CGI moments. It will look authentic because it was genuinely shot “old style“.

Visual Effects: At nearly forty years of age Star Wars is effectively the great granddaddy of virtually every visual effect we have ever seen produced in every movie ever since. Infact these days its often impossible to detect where they have been used. As much as I love and respect the OT I have an unshakeable conviction that we will be totally blown away by what we are finally shown on screen with TFA. I think the team at ILM are absolutely committed to going beyond anything we’ve seen whilst staying almost absolutely true to the original films tone. Given the absolutely amazing quality of work done in the Marvel movies and many, many others last year alone, how can anybody doubt they are going to take our breath away. As much for themselves as for us, these guys really want to show us just how stunningly real they can make a SW movie look today. And they will.

JJA. This guy loves the SW universe as much as you and I. And it took a lot of courage to step up to the mark to take it on. But, he is without doubt the man for the job. He’s a strong writer, who can blend character, action and mystery into a story with huge success and he is a great director. For TFA he has strong support from a hugely successful team of co producers and the benefit and feedback from a network of friends and associates that are also enormous SW fans. People who took up making films almost solely because of the influence seeing ANH had on them. And he has not isolated himself from their encouragement and has actively sort out their opinion and input.
Which brings me to perhaps the absolutely most positive aspect of the entire production. And that’s the attitude of the people working on it. I have rarely felt, from a project that’s shrouded in secrecy, a more positive vibe from all the people connected with it. From the entire cast and crew there is a reverence and affection for the OT that as strong as anybody here . And there seems to be a huge amount of pride and excitement about what they have been involved with and have produced so far. JJ has recruited a team whose unequivocal goal is to produce a film that banishes all memory of the short comings and previous criticisms levelled at the saga and move it forward spectacularly and I don’t doubt they will do so.

And finally. We have gone ,in very little time really , gone from having a much beloved universe that was effectively lifeless and finished, with no hope of redemption or development , to one which now is almost brimming over with the limitless opportunity for new stories and adventures with brand new characters. If you just compare the scope of whats been done with the Marvel universe which has an established characters and storylines and then think where we can go from here with TFA and yet still whinge and moan then I’d suggest you need to take a long. long holiday in someplace very far away.
 
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All true, but we all know it will boil down to the story. If that is not good none of the above will amount to a hill of beans. I sincerely hope it is good.
 
We all want to talk, but we have nothing to talk about--maybe NYTF will reveal a thing or two, give us new grist for the mill...
 
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