Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

Okay. So what do we know about the story so far? Start with its origins.
The happy ending suggested by ROTJ was not to be. The fall of the Emperor has not resulted in the total collapse of the Empire or the immediate return of the Senate.
It appears far more like a galactic version of “Game of Thrones” where individual star systems and governments have pledged their support for one side or another ,where some have even started their own quasi military factions or looked towards independance. And this seems to have resulted in huge planetary wars for decades. We’ve seen the evidence for this in the battlefield wreckage in the preproduction art.
So the Empire has been split apart. So much so that Imperial Forces are having to distinguish their allegiances by splashing red paint on to their vehicles to determine which side they fight for (again in the artwork). Individually they still must control huge planetary system resources such as munitions and manufacturing facilities and are obviously still involved in developing new weapons. Its been a long drawn out conflict as invading fleets war over systems one by one and its exhausting everybody.
Against this unrest there is obviously of the great potential for piracy, black marketing trading, and general lawlessness ,conditions under which the Hutts criminal organizations would ideally thrive. There is large profits to made from scavenging battlefield equipment , running illegal arms shipments or running mining and smuggling operations, and much of the galaxy has fallen into dispute as trade routes are closed and isolated due to the predations of waring factions , marauders and rogue fleets. It’s a reasonable guess that any planetary systems under Empire control are even harsher to live on, with prisoner labour camps and martial law. Worlds under their control are savagely treated and ruled to exploit the resources they possess to fund the battlefront Imperial fleets.
The Jedi have not yet returned, at least not in any strength of numbers to exert any influence because it appears the Force has, with the extinction of Vader and the Emperor , fallen into quiescence. But it appears that an event ,whether it be a natural phenomena or the result of certain Sith artefacts being rediscovered and activated , will start to effect force sensitive individuals again.
And that’s about all we know so far.
Personally I think this is a fantastic background onto which to start mapping new story routes for the cast of characters ,both the old and new. Its dramatic, has the potential to cover a multitude of exciting options rather than just the old Empire verses Rebels story. The Sith origins background seems destined to be explored in detail and to be far more interesting than anything we’ve seen briefly covered before in the films AND there also appears to be an older alien species of force users that exert a stronger but arcane influence in this universe than previously imagined.
It all seems to have the greater potential for a far darker, more threatening and terribly gruelling story than the glib celebrations at the end of Jedi could ever have suggested. And I think that’s a brilliant strategy for restarting the SW universe.
 
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I'm not worried about the pessimism. I've been a JJ fan since, of all things, FELICITY (I actually have all the Box sets). He knows characters, dialogue, story.

His Star Trek team didn't write this... He did with Kasdan...

He's one of us... but with the entire Star Wars galaxy to play with. I wouldn't trust anyone else like I do him. Whedon? No. Fincher? No. Nolan? No.

S'gonna be goooooood.
 
I definitely blame the writing team for most of my issues with nuTrek, but I also grump at JJ wanting to make it "more like Star Wars" and missing all those things that didn't work about the stories. But that very thing is what makes me so excited here. He has been a lifelong Star Wars fan, and between that and Kasdan being on board, that right there soothes most of my concerns. This will be too important to him to wing it the way they did more and more in Lost. I expect something more like when he is utterly free to play, as he did with Super 8, and which I absolutely loved (apart from him managing to get lens flare off dirt).

--Jonah
 
Personally, I think that producer Rick McBercalluman deserves most of the blame for the decline of Star Twaresk. :p
 
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Except that McCallum's the one whose take on Star Wars shifted how George viewed the movies and ultimately made the Prequels -- as the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, when Anakin was originally just supposed to be a supporting character to the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi. He's not a strong enough character to take central position, and his fall has to happen off-camera to preserve the reveals of the Original Trilogy. McCallum's take on Star Wars is... failception.

--Jonah
 
Except that McCallum's the one whose take on Star Wars shifted how George viewed the movies and ultimately made the Prequels -- as the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, when Anakin was originally just supposed to be a supporting character to the Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi. He's not a strong enough character to take central position, and his fall has to happen off-camera to preserve the reveals of the Original Trilogy. McCallum's take on Star Wars is... failception.

--Jonah
In all the discussion about the prequels, I never imagined that. The idea that we don't actually out that anakin became Vader. Woah.

But I have to say, that would be a really hard story to write. Giving the audience enough to believe that he COULD turn to the dark side without actually helping us realize it. That's a pretty fine line.

But now that I think about it, as cool as that is, the whole rise, fall, and redemption of anakin makes better sense in a classic story like this. Rotj turned tho OT into a Greek tragedy and to explore that further in the PT is doing it a better service
 
But I have to say, that would be a really hard story to write. Giving the audience enough to believe that he COULD turn to the dark side without actually helping us realize it. That's a pretty fine line.

It is, and it's been a fun exercise. I drew a lot of inspiration from the actual Prequels in my rewrites, lifting characters and settings and sequences and plot points and dialogue, then just... tweaking the context. Expanding this, reducing or eliminating that, and enjoying the challenge of wrting a story a little like Babylon 5 in the respect that you can watch it and enjoy it, then when you go back and watch it again, you see all the little things in the first season or so that hint at what's going on off-camera, or looming in the future, that you didn't catch before because they didn't have that context.

Sadly, while George has good ideas, he's a weak writer, and he wasn't up to that kind of how-do-I-get-myself-out-of-this-corner-I've-painted-myself-into challenge.

But now that I think about it, as cool as that is, the whole rise, fall, and redemption of anakin makes better sense in a classic story like this. Rotj turned tho OT into a Greek tragedy and to explore that further in the PT is doing it a better service

I'd agree, except that watching it in George's intended viewing order of 1-6 undercuts too much of the OT. We now spend three films waiting for the new set of main characters to catch up with what we've known since the end of episode 3. All the reveals are gutted. Yoda's appearance, Vader's identity, Luke and Leia's relationship... and all the things presented as unmanipulating fact that are now glaring continuity issues ("When I met your father he was already an excellent pilot...", "Years ago you served my father...", "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion...", and so on). I like the Prequels we got more as a sidebar. Something you'd view after the point we've reached in the main story thus far to fill in the blanks, maybe, to see what was going on from Anakin's standpoint. But there are still things that don't work or were badly written. *shrug* But that's a matter for one of the two threads nitpicking Star Wars. *heh*

--Jonah
 
As I have said many times, if it were up to me, the entire thing would be redone as a 50 episode anime serial.
Maybe 75 episodes if you included some clone wars stuff
 
But I have to say, that would be a really hard story to write. Giving the audience enough to believe that he COULD turn to the dark side without actually helping us realize it. That's a pretty fine line.

I've said this elsewhere, but it would have been SO easy to keep the revelations of the OT in place and still have the first trilogy be the fall of Anakin...

I actually assumed they would play it all out, just like they did, but the last time you would see Anakin is when he's burning and legless, screaming at obiwan. (Oh and he's never christened "Vader").

We watch Obi wan leave him for dead. On fire.

So, much like with Maul, the audience (assuming you've never watched the OT) would just assume he's dead at the end of 3. And just like Maul, he's replaced in the next movie with a new Sith apprentice, in the case of "A New Hope", Vader. First revealed stepping through those busted doors on the rebel ships

Then when Luke is talking to Ben, you know he's full of ****... blaming the murder of Anakin on the new Sith Lord, Vader. It seems a little dickish, but then he is giving Luke a saber that killed tons of Jedi and kids... so...

Anyway, I thought that's what they would do... So that the reveal of Vader at the beginning of A New Hope is still the first appearance... But Noooo gotta have him in the original trilogy to make the money...
 
And for the record, I NEVER thought it would be possible to bring back maul but the way they did it was brilliant
 
If by "brilliant" you mean "asinine". :p It was fun as an Infinities "what-if" story, but none of us wanted him to really come back from being cut in half through the guts and falling down a thousand-foot hole.

My rewrite of the fight in ROTS sees Obi-Wan fighting a hooded figure whose face we never see clearly. After the Jedi Council got word about a new apprentice named Vader being sent to Mustfar and sending Anakin to investigate, since he was nearby, and never hearing back after he acknowledged. We're left easily drawing the conclusion that this new baddie killed Anakin before Vader kicked him into the lava. And since I have six episodes for Obi-Wan as well as six for Luke, when Vader shows up in th enext film he's a charred mess with a breathing mask (a bit like Malgus) and quite unrecognizable as Anakin. So it won't be until after ESB that one could go back and see that it is (or rather used to be) Anakin that Obi-Wan was fighting and who we see gradually becoming the guy who strode aboard the Tantive IV at the beginning of ANH.

Oh, and with more episodes to play with, I inserted a bit more dialogue that not everyone who gets taken on has what it takes to cut it as a Jedi. Some drop out, some turn bad, and Obi-Wan's had a few other students -- some successes, some not. All so what he says to Luke in ANH is true and we don't immediately question it (as we do now, if Obi-Wan only ever had one student).

--Jonah
 
I agree. Plus, I think Inquisitor Peregrinus should dial his ego setting back about 120 points and join the rest of the reality world. I want to see his list of published/filmed scripts/stories before I read any more of his grandiose spouting!
 
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Sorry. Working on re-transcribing them. And I know I keep going on about them. I've been in that headspace forr over a decade, and it's frustrating to see people bring up story points that are problematic, at best, and that I addressed years ago. I have no problem keeping the re-hashing in the relevant thread(s), but it keeps getting brought up, and not just by me.

Meanwhile. TFA. Anyone actually have some new, non-spoilery info to discuss...? I haven't seem any for a bit.

--Jonah
 
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