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[BlobVanDam]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Oh man, I have never noticed this before. They mirrored stuff that much in SW?

When those sorts of things slip through that just seems like sloppy film editing. Obviously, since I've never noticed it before I can't say that it has changed my viewing experience, but speaking from a professional standpoint those are things that you really ought to catch.

It's not sloppy film editing, so much as perhaps the directing. They intentionally flop shots in editing so they can maintain continuity from shot to shot, so people in conversations are facing the right direction, and so the viewer has a sense of where things are in relation to each other.
Ideally, good planning and storyboarding should avoid needing to do that, but once you get to editing, you have to work with the footage you have. Hopefully they're careful enough to avoid that in the new films. I think standards are a little higher now than they were back in the pre home video days, knowing that people will scrutinize these details so closely.

 

[Darth Lars]

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.......but dont forget this horrible scene from the OT, even back then the fake backgrounds were bad
J

That must be a screenshot from the DVD or BluRay disc, and those are well known for having colours going towards red or blue in different shots. The background looks much less fake on pre-SE laserdisc.
The lighting on the Lando and the pilots in front of the green-screen is also insufficient. Lando walks out of the light at the end of the shot, which looks a bit wierd.

 

[Treadwell]

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The Lando scene was indeed a pickup, and the Falcon exterior had long since been struck when they decided to shoot it. Shame.

 

[Mola Rob]

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That must be a screenshot from the DVD or BluRay disc, and those are well known for having colours going towards red or blue in different shots. The background looks much less fake on pre-SE laserdisc.
The lighting on the Lando and the pilots in front of the green-screen is also insufficient. Lando walks out of the light at the end of the shot, which looks a bit wierd.

That shot has always looked like crap IMO, I remember sitting in the theater watching ROTJ in '83 and thinking how terrible it was. Blue-screen or green-screen it's just not well done at all.

 

[Treadwell]

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Him walking out of light was a nice try, to put him in a real space rather than in front of flat artwork. Unfortunately, they did it as an optical, rotoing him as a black shape and dissolving to it, which is what makes it weird.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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It's not sloppy film editing, so much as perhaps the directing.

I'll give you that one. I even remember an article (Prequel era) where Lucas pretty much said he gets shots quickly without a lot of takes because he knows ILM can fix it how he wants.

 

[cayman shen]

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I'll give you that one. I even remember an article (Prequel era) where Lucas pretty much said he gets shots quickly without a lot of takes because he knows ILM can fix it how he wants.

And his craftsman-like care really showed in the exacting quality of the final product :lol

 

[robn1]

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That shot has always looked like crap IMO, I remember sitting in the theater watching ROTJ in '83 and thinking how terrible it was. Blue-screen or green-screen it's just not well done at all.

I'm actually impressed by the bluescreen work, it's the lame painting that spoils it. I read in an interview that the painting was Lucas' idea to reduce costs. They should have just painted the hangar wall and placed the 5ft Falcon in front.

But the painting looks better in the first shot.

There's a weird shift in color and contrast in the last shot that makes it look even worse.

 

[Zombie_61]

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What's weird about this is they built a large section of the Falcon for the unused sandstorm sequence, so why didn't they either enhance the section of set built with a matte or just shoot tighter on the Falcon with the are they made, then they could have shown Lando going up the ramp as opposed to walking and almost stopping in front of a blue screen like in the final film !?

I burst out laughing the first time I saw Return of the Jedi because I knew instantly why Billy Dee Williams suddenly stopped walking right before they cut to the next scene. :lol

How about when they flip the image rather than film it correct...

This is ALL over the SW films...

Boy, you aren't kidding! Pay attention to the dent on C-3PO's head during the "attack on the Death Star" sequence the next time you watch A New Hope (especially on the first version of the Not-So-Special-Edition); it changes sides more often than an undecided voter.

 

[The Terminator]

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In that case you might want to stop going to the movies seeing as more and more films are being made here.

On another note, not sure why so many people are excited over 1 non cgi Alien. Nute Gunray wasn't CGI and we all know how the reception to Phantom Menace was.

Yeah but with Phantom Menace the #1 complaint doesn't involve cgi vs no cgi

It is crazy,.....I'm sure the effects team were infuriated......with the effects they can achieve (Avengers, Transformers etc) fixing that shot would be an exciting challenge......but placing rocks in front of Artoo???

J

Yeah, WTF George! :facepalm
:lol

 

[Vaderios]

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The original comp wasn't a matte. The one with Lando is the matte.The entire rebel hanger set was built on stage for ESB.In my opinion you can't beat that as its entirely real and not an illusion.


Ben

Its funny that in yavin hangar they used cardboard ships with the real one(s) its one of those illusions back then that still can sell a shot

-Angel

 

[Mola Rob]

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I'm actually impressed by the bluescreen work, it's the lame painting that spoils it. I read in an interview that the painting was Lucas' idea to reduce costs. They should have just painted the hangar wall and placed the 5ft Falcon in front.

But the painting looks better in the first shot.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...apshot_005211_20140526_054416_zpsdb7c9515.jpg

There's a weird shift in color and contrast in the last shot that makes it look even worse.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/...apshot_005231_20140526_054339_zps464d7dd4.jpg

I agree 100% on the painting being the problem and that the blue-screen work actually is not too bad for the time it was made. There are a number of bad paintings in ROTJ which surprised me after the excellent work that was done for ESB.

 

[Bryancd]

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Let the speculation about what this might be all about begin!

Rumor: Video of Daisy Ridley's Stunt Double Released | The Star Wars Underworld

 

[Bryancd]

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This Chloe girl is a pretty accomplished martial arts stunt woman.

REPRESENT | Chloe Bruce - HYPER - YouTube

 

[Reelo]

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This Chloe girl is a pretty accomplished martial arts stunt woman.

REPRESENT | Chloe Bruce - HYPER - YouTube

Hope there won't ne any "light-nunchucks". Sure way to cut off your own arms and head... ;-P

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[DaddyfromNaboo]

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Pics on TMZ. I am not super-excited about the creature. Spoiler alert!

'Star Wars Episode 7' Set Photos -- Super-Secret Pics & Spoilers From The Set! | TMZ.com

And I am not really sure if I really have to revisit Tatooine again. I mean, all of the main characters wanted to get off that boring rock. What makes it so damn special that they are drawn back to it again and again?

 

[gizmo]

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I dunno if I like the snout on that creature,although there's the Gamorrean Guards with a pig snout in ROTJ,but it's body looks cool. Don't really care for pod racers but maybe they are just derelict. I like the look of everything else and the costumes. Thanks for the link.


Ben

 

[CutThumb]

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Oh Hummmm.
“ Pig Head” (or “Dog Nose“) does unfortunately look like the worst CGI’d animal I’ve seen for a while in the photos ,rather than an actual physical build. And there is no escaping the fact it’s a poor looking creature design, rather more original Star Trek (or even Galaxy Quest !!) than Star Wars. So now we’ve had “tortoise head” and “pig head”. Bit of a weak design trend concept wise , to use so obvious earth based creature features.
In fact the set, if it weren’t for the vaporators, could easily be from another movie entirely. It’s the lack of droids, aliens, and more familiar Tatooine objects ,mostly just all those people in robes and tents. Not SW enough. Wrongish overall vibe though some of the vehicles look OK
But as its one of several sets , I'm not panicking just yet. Just registering a very mild disturbance in the force.
I believe Tatooine will used as the launching point of the story, as a link to the OT. Infact I would not be at all surprised if the opening shot just after the introductory crawl, features one similar to ANH as a direct nod to the very first film. But what ships will be used for it?
I think it will be the start of a quest for the young Jedi, and there can be little doubt now that the young cast will be mostly Jedi, given the stunt training that certain new actors are under going. With the directors liking for cloak-and-dagger , it seems likely the plot will build from quest mystery angle ,follow the clues rather than be a straight forward storyline.
Then where to? Strong rumours of a mountainous planet, which seems likely, given they have been filming in Iceland for background digital footage mattes, and there is a lot of talk of shooting in Skye, Scotland in the summer and that make sense, as that would be about the only terrain they’ve not yet made planetary yet. Mountains are a hard terrain to live in and might suggest a war like alien civilization, or perhaps hidden Jedi temple maybe.
And I'm not sure how much Carrie Fisher is going to be in it though, shes doing so many TV appearances and festivals over here in the UK at the moment I’d have thought she not even in it!!! But I guess that was true of ANH.
Overall I have to say a slightly more dodgy start than I'd have hoped for , given that rather better market video clip.

 

[cayman shen]

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Some kind of ranch with that raised structure and the fence? Anyway, I LOVE what I'm seeing.

 

[gizmo]

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Oh Hummmm.
“ Pig Head” (or “Dog Nose“) does unfortunately look like the worst CGI’d animal I’ve seen for a while in the photos ,rather than an actual physical build. And there is no escaping the fact it’s a poor looking creature design, rather more original Star Trek (or even Galaxy Quest !!) than Star Wars. So now we’ve had “tortoise head” and “pig head”. Bit of a weak design trend concept wise , to use so obvious earth based creature features.

While I'm not so much into the design don't forget that in the Cantina you had, just off the top of my head,a mouse creature,a bat creature and a wolf creature. Also there is Bossk who is reptilian and the Gamorrean guards in ROTJ and fish like admiral Akbar. Not to mention the big dog likeness of Chewy just to name a few.


Ben