Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The more I hear about trotting out these old war horses, the less interested I become in this project.

"Whatever, you'll go see it."

No, not necessarily. I didn't see KOTCS, and I still haven't bought the blu-rays. Branding alone doesn't get me into a theater.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I can just imagine her and Solo in the Falcon, her screaming their going the wrong way, while the whole time the Falcon has it's blinker on....

I imagine Han and Leia being like Miracle Max and his wife in The Princess Bride. They argue a lot, and then tell Luke and his new apprentice to have fun storming the death star.

Somebody add some lightsabers to this clip, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tAKLTktY0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tAKLTktY0

 

[Jeyl]

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No, not necessarily. I didn't see KOTCS, and I still haven't bought the blu-rays. Branding alone doesn't get me into a theater.

And that truly does take real commitment in this day in age. Not gona lie. About the only thing I truly haven't caved into is Mass Effect 3's DLC, and the last one is really sounding very tempting.

if he is training jedi in a restored (or perhaps never fully destroyed) Jedi Temple then I could see him using old Jedi Order terms but ya, I think they need to pass on the old lingo and let Luke revise the idea of Jedi knighthood and apprentice.

Oh, gods. I can just imagine glorifying the good old "EVERYTHING is a path to the dark side" trope again for the new order even though everything Luke has been through would teach him otherwise. Jolee Bindo, you were robbed.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

And that truly does take real commitment in this day in age. Not gona lie. About the only thing I truly haven't caved into is Mass Effect 3's DLC, and the last one is really sounding very tempting.

It's not that hard, really, once you realize that you're chasing an ideal that cannot and will not be achieved. Plus, for me at least, bad subsequent entries ruin my enjoyment of past entries, so now I just don't bother if I'm worried it might suck. I love the Indy films, so I wasn't about to let Indiana Jones and the Jar Jar of the Jar Jar Jar Jar ruin my enjoyment of those other films. I'd had enough disappointment from the prequels to just...not bother.

As for not buying the blu-rays...hell, that's easy. I've already got the 2006 DVDs, and seeing as how everything else is just special edition crap from 1080p masters that have never really been done properly, it's pretty easy to say "Nah. I'll keep my money, thanks." The 2004 DVDs were disappointing enough in terms of quality, and from what I heard, the blu-rays fixed some stuff, but broke other stuff. Besides, I really only watch Star Wars (as in ANH) once a year anymore, and watching it on the crappy LD rips only further hardens my resolve NOT to buy the blu-rays. So, until they get it right AND give me an archival version of the OOT, why bother?


Now, all that said, I'll keep an ear out for what ends up happenign with this project, and probably will give it a month or so after release to see what the word of mouth is -- much like I did with KOTCS. If it sounds like what I heard after that, I'll skip it. If it's generally pretty positive, I may go see it, since my once expansive fandom has now hardened to only being a fan of the OOT that I grew up with, and largely dismissing most other Star Wars product, with a few exceptions. The brand has really been tarnished for me, but in some ways that may help Ep. VII, since it has nowhere to go but up for me. That said, the notion of "And look who ELSE is back! Yaaay!" makes me think I'll skip it.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If it gets positive reviews even with "Yay! Look who else is back!", it'd have to be called a slam dunk, no? :lol

It's not that hard, really, once you realize that you're chasing an ideal that cannot and will not be achieved. Plus, for me at least, bad subsequent entries ruin my enjoyment of past entries, so now I just don't bother if I'm worried it might suck. I love the Indy films, so I wasn't about to let Indiana Jones and the Jar Jar of the Jar Jar Jar Jar ruin my enjoyment of those other films. I'd had enough disappointment from the prequels to just...not bother.

As for not buying the blu-rays...hell, that's easy. I've already got the 2006 DVDs, and seeing as how everything else is just special edition crap from 1080p masters that have never really been done properly, it's pretty easy to say "Nah. I'll keep my money, thanks." The 2004 DVDs were disappointing enough in terms of quality, and from what I heard, the blu-rays fixed some stuff, but broke other stuff. Besides, I really only watch Star Wars (as in ANH) once a year anymore, and watching it on the crappy LD rips only further hardens my resolve NOT to buy the blu-rays. So, until they get it right AND give me an archival version of the OOT, why bother?


Now, all that said, I'll keep an ear out for what ends up happenign with this project, and probably will give it a month or so after release to see what the word of mouth is -- much like I did with KOTCS. If it sounds like what I heard after that, I'll skip it. If it's generally pretty positive, I may go see it, since my once expansive fandom has now hardened to only being a fan of the OOT that I grew up with, and largely dismissing most other Star Wars product, with a few exceptions. The brand has really been tarnished for me, but in some ways that may help Ep. VII, since it has nowhere to go but up for me. That said, the notion of "And look who ELSE is back! Yaaay!" makes me think I'll skip it.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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As for not buying the blu-rays...hell, that's easy. I've already got the 2006 DVDs, and seeing as how everything else is just special edition crap from 1080p masters that have never really been done properly, it's pretty easy to say "Nah. I'll keep my money, thanks." The 2004 DVDs were disappointing enough in terms of quality, and from what I heard, the blu-rays fixed some stuff, but broke other stuff. Besides, I really only watch Star Wars (as in ANH) once a year anymore, and watching it on the crappy LD rips only further hardens my resolve NOT to buy the blu-rays. So, until they get it right AND give me an archival version of the OOT, why bother?

Seconded and well said. :thumbsup

Though, I do watch all three at least three or four times a year, minimum and usually in succession close to each other.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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I'm a third on that. Never had the urge to get them. I've got my originals and they're the ones I watch. About twice a year for me.

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I haven't bothered picking up the Star Wars bluray, and until they release a properly restored theatrical cut, I never will. I have the 2006 LD transfer DVDs and they work for me. I do have the Indy Bluray, as I couldn't pass up the chance to own the trilogy in properly restored HD, even if it did include CS.

Though subsequent sequels of a franchise can be a major disappointment, they don't completely diminish my enjoyment of the better films. I just don't watch the lousy ones. Spiderman 3 for instance was a train wreck of a film, and after having seen it in the theater when it opened, I have never seen it again since. But that doesn't stop Spiderman and Spiderman 2 from being some of the best comic book films ever made IMO.

I'll see the new Star Wars trilogy, and as much as I want to know the plot, I think I'd prefer to know nothing until I get to the theater. This way I can go with little to no preconceived notions and hopefully judge it at least a little more objectively.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

if he is training jedi in a restored (or perhaps never fully destroyed) Jedi Temple then I could see him using old Jedi Order terms but ya, I think they need to pass on the old lingo and let Luke revise the idea of Jedi knighthood and apprentice.

It wasn't destroyed, you can see it in the ROTJ SE at the end.

 

[heiro5]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The more I hear about trotting out these old war horses, the less interested I become in this project.

"Whatever, you'll go see it."

No, not necessarily. I didn't see KOTCS, and I still haven't bought the blu-rays. Branding alone doesn't get me into a theater.

The movie may or may not end up being for you, but having these original characters, older, and played by the older original actors has been the plan since there was first a report of nine possible episodes, over twenty years ago.

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It wasn't destroyed, you can see it in the ROTJ SE at the end.

cool. I figured Palpy would want all that library archive to himself. Even the emperor's towers on the second death star echo the Jedi temple towers.

 

[ixtore]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

So does this mean there will be Jenny Craig product placement in this movie?

Fulfilling the promise from 30 or so years ago: "There is another."

 

[Jeyl]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Carrie Fisher’s Rep: ‘She Was Joking’ About Joining Cast Of Star Wars VII

 

[Edwardowan]

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Carrie Fisher’s Rep: ‘She Was Joking’ About Joining Cast Of Star Wars VII

sounds more like a redaction since nothing official has been said... her rep doesn't want her to get any flack or trouble for pre announcing something. I bet she did get an offer but isn't suuposed to tell!

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The movie may or may not end up being for you, but having these original characters, older, and played by the older original actors has been the plan since there was first a report of nine possible episodes, over twenty years ago.

Just because it was the plan 20 years ago doesn't mean it was a GOOD plan.

The Schlieffen Plan was in development for ten years. That didn't make it a good idea, either.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Schlieffen Plan was in development for ten years. That didn't make it a good idea, either.

If they had stuck to it they just might have made it though. It failed because they didn't follow the plan. :lol

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Nah, it failed because it always made a boatload of assumptions about how the other side would respond...which they didn't do.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Nah, it failed because it always made a boatload of assumptions about how the other side would respond...which they didn't do.

Conversation going COMPLETELY OT here but I have to respond as I wrote a paper on this one. :lol

The other side responded exactly as planned minus one point and the assumption of another which never happened and which in the end would not have mattered in the slightest.

Alfred von Schlieffen's last words were to keep the right flank strong. In WW2 we saw what happened when Paris was doomed to fall, the French surrendered instead of letting that jewel of a city be destroyed and there's no reason to believe that it wouldn't have been the same case in 1914. If they had not allowed the BEF on their left flank to stall their entire advance and moved around it (like they did in WW2) they would have gotten to Paris and, one can presume due to hindsight, that the French would have left the fight. A terrible blow to the Allies.

The other "assumed" problem was the Russian mobilization. They moved multiple full divisions to the East in fear that the Russians would arrive and they just sat. If they had stuck to their guns Paris would have been even more achievable. In WW2 Germany never had a real shot at winning. In WW1 they did and they blew it.

Good thing though. I for one am happy with the end result of the war. :lol

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I thought there was also the issue that they expected the UK to side with the Kaiser or at least stay neutral. although that may have been earlier on, rather than in 1914.


Ok, so, I'll revise my statement.

The plan to include the oldsters may have been good back in the early 90s if they'd made the films right then and there. Similarly, the Schlieffen Plan might've been a brilliant stratagem, but it was poorly executed -- much the same way I expect the inclusion of the oldsters in this trilogy to be poorly executed.

SO THERE.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The plan to include the oldsters may have been good back in the early 90s if they'd made the films right then and there. Similarly, the Schlieffen Plan might've been a brilliant stratagem, but it was poorly executed -- much the same way I expect the inclusion of the oldsters in this trilogy to be poorly executed.

SO THERE.

On that sir we are agreed! thumbsup