Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Of course, but the thought is that without training that person isn't going to construct themselves a lightsaber and go toe to toe with a trained Jedi or Sith.

We'll see I suppose!

I can see this since anakin had jedi reflexes and could anticipate things but without training could never discover other abilities or even know he could develop more impressive skills... training by Jedi could only bring that potential out and the secret to accessing those skills. Anakin probably thought he was just really lucky and good at pod racing and fixing things and never considered he had the Jedi Force

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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According to Qui-Gon it was also a choice as he said: ""It will be a hard life; one without reward, without remorse, without regret. A path will be placed before you. The choice is yours alone. Do what you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life, but you will find out who you are.""

Yep. The path of becoming a Jedi is all those things. However just being in tune with the Force isn't. I would imagine there is a lot of untapped potential in the Galaxy but that's all it is, potential.

The PT actually hurts the idea that someone off the street with talent could match a Jedi. In the OT the Force wasn't a super power. It was (or at least seemed to be) normal people with a hightened awareness and some telekinesis. They could be defeated, which added to the excitement of action scenes, but they had a special edge to them.

In the PT all of a sudden you have people jumping 50 feet, sprinting at 100mph, etc. Apparently they can do just about anything. That made it look really dumb when they died. Really? Blaster fire took out your super hero?

Also, having folks like that would really make Obi-Wan and Yoda look retarded. Why wait 20 years for Luke when you could have gone out and tapped some of the existing talent? Bring them to Dagobah, train them in secret, then release them to spread the word and encourage the fight...

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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I can see this since anakin had jedi reflexes and could anticipate things but without training could never discover other abilities or even know he could develop more impressive skills... training by Jedi could only bring that potential out and the secret to accessing those skills. Anakin probably thought he was just really lucky and good at pod racing and fixing things and never considered he had the Jedi Force

Yep. :thumbsup

 

[Bryancd]

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From Disney's earnings conference call:

Disney To Release Additional Films Based on Star Wars Characters. CEO Bob Iger made the disclosure in an interview on CNBC. He says that Larry Kasden and Simon Kinberg are working on them, and they’re in addition to the planned Star Wars 7, 8 and 9. No word yet on which characters are involved.

 

[Edwardowan]

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Yep. The path of becoming a Jedi is all those things. However just being in tune with the Force isn't. I would imagine there is a lot of untapped potential in the Galaxy but that's all it is, potential.

The PT actually hurts the idea that someone off the street with talent could match a Jedi. In the OT the Force wasn't a super power. It was (or at least seemed to be) normal people with a hightened awareness and some telekinesis. They could be defeated, which added to the excitement of action scenes, but they had a special edge to them.

In the PT all of a sudden you have people jumping 50 feet, sprinting at 100mph, etc. Apparently they can do just about anything. That made it look really dumb when they died. Really? Blaster fire took out your super hero?

Also, having folks like that would really make Obi-Wan and Yoda look retarded. Why wait 20 years for Luke when you could have gone out and tapped some of the existing talent? Bring them to Dagobah, train them in secret, then release them to spread the word and encourage the fight...

exactly. And at the very least Yoda and Obi wan could have changed diapers together and start training Luke and Leia together... perhaps they feared the emperor and vader would sense this use of the force and find them though?

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I bet dollars to donuts we see Fett coming back.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

exactly. And at the very least Yoda and Obi wan could have changed diapers together and start training Luke and Leia together... perhaps they feared the emperor and vader would sense this use of the force and find them though?

If you can't find a guy living in a cave a couple miles from the child that you didn't sense living on your birth planet WITH YOUR FAMILY I don't think that would be a problem... :lol

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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I bet dollars to donuts we see Fett coming back.

Yep. One of the only ones that makes sense really. Give us something decent to make up for little boy Fett...

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If you can't find a guy living in a cave a couple miles from the child that you didn't sense living on your birth planet WITH YOUR FAMILY I don't think that would be a problem... :lol

true but technically its not Anakin's family... only by the fact that his mom eventually married Cleig Lars and Anakin spent what... 2 days with them at most? Nor was Owen really Luke's uncle... more like step uncle... neither Anakin nor Luke were biologically related to the Lars in any way.

I always wondered why Vader didn't sense Luke and ObiWan when they were boarding the Tantive IV over Tatooine... I guess there was a proximity issue

Vader didn't want to go down to Tatooine looking for the droids with stolen plans because he hates sand and sand gets everywhere! His respirator would clog up!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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true but technically its not Anakin's family... only by the fact that his mom eventually married Cleig Lars and Anakin spent what... 2 days with them at most? Nor was Owen really Luke's uncle... more like step uncle... neither Anakin nor Luke were biologically related to the Lars in any way.

Biologically no, but they're still his family. You would think SOMEONE would notice that they're now raising a Skywalker! :facepalm

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

He was too busy being distracted by Leia? I dunno.

 

[Edwardowan]

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Biologically no, but they're still his family. You would think SOMEONE would notice that they're now raising a Skywalker! :facepalm

especially since they didn't bother to change his name like they did Leia... I guess they didn't care they were risking the boy's life! And Ben throwing around a lightsaber in a public cantina.... they must have thought he was just nuts!

my guess is Anakin assumed and thought it to be true that the baby died with Padme' so he would not have ever sensed an offspring if there was no reason to believe there ever was one... and perhaps he felt Obi wan was also dead so no point in trying to sense him on a planet that even Vader wanted nothing to do with. Luke wasn't using any force potential and perhaps Obi Wan wasn't using enough of it to alarm the tingly Sith Sense!
Vader's fiberglass helmet dulled his senses... even when ObiWan was on the Death Star all Vader could muster was "I sense something... a presence I haven't felt since...." You would think that with the massive more than Yoda Force in his blood he would instantly think OH CRAP Obi Wan is Alive and here to kick my ass!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

my guess is Anakin assumed and thought it to be true that the baby died with Padme' so he would not have ever sensed an offspring if there was no reason to believe there ever was one... and perhaps he felt Obi wan was also dead so no point in trying to sense him on a planet that even Vader wanted nothing to do with. Luke wasn't using any force potential and perhaps Obi Wan wasn't using enough of it to alarm the tingly Sith Sense!

And what's the Emperor's excuse? He knows Obi is alive, he knows Yoda is alive, he knows Padme lived...

:lol

To be fair I still live in a nostalgic world where Vader knew all along about Luke. Not this patsy crap that they had to edit the ESB scene for!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Also defeats the argument that Yoda couldn't have trained someone on Dagobah while waiting for Luke.

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

And what's the Emperor's excuse? He knows Obi is alive, he knows Yoda is alive, he knows Padme lived...

:lol

To be fair I still live in a nostalgic world where Vader knew all along about Luke. Not this patsy crap that they had to edit the ESB scene for!

In the novel when Luke is brought to him on the Death Star Palpy is surprised to sense that Yoda was or had been alive.. Palpatine questions Luke about who instructed him after Kenobi's death and upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master.
I'm not so sure he was certain Yoda and Obi Wan were alive otherwise I think he would have made it an effort to hunt them down as they were very powerful and a threat to him and vader both. He would have made an effort to feel their presence and not want them training new Jedi to fight or what have you.

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I guess since they couldn't even find the hidden rebel base then finding one individual in that big galaxy would really be difficult... and a waste of time and energy. Palpy probably figured they would either show up again and he would deal with them or they would just eventually die of old age

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Of course, but the thought is that without training that person isn't going to construct themselves a lightsaber and go toe to toe with a trained Jedi or Sith.

We'll see I suppose!

Just to play devil's advocate, why not?

Someone had to make the first lightsaber and odds are that guy wasn't a jedi. On top of that, sword fighting isn't a jedi-only skill. I know GL has said there's more to it than that, but if you're capable of using the force and making one, what's to say you can't go toe to toe with anyone with it?

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

In the novel when Luke is brought to him on the Death Star Palpy is surprised to sense that Yoda was or had been alive.. Palpatine questions Luke about who instructed him after Kenobi's death and upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master.

Perhaps in the ROTJ novelization but ROTS made it seem pretty clear that he knew they were alive.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Just to play devil's advocate, why not?

Someone had to make the first lightsaber and odds are that guy wasn't a jedi. On top of that, sword fighting isn't a jedi-only skill. I know GL has said there's more to it than that, but if you're capable of using the force and making one, what's to say you can't go toe to toe with anyone with it?

Fair point, but it would be a little too coincidental for someone who is strong with the force to take the path of the Jedi (construct a specifically Jedi weapon, use the powers in that way) without affiliation with any order.

Also, for going toe to toe I think with the concept of Jedi from the OT absolutely. The PT turned them into superheroes though so it makes it far less likely.

 

[Randy13]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Since this is in Disney’s hands, I’m going to miss the Fox fanfare at the start of the film. For me as a kid, the 20th Century Fox opening was always a part of the Star Wars movies.