I agree totally here, but as a spin off. E7,8,9 need to finish the whole sky walker story. It did start with E1, why stop now. I think in time we will get all these other things on the big screen. It's like Marvel, but Star Wars.
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I agree totally here, but as a spin off. E7,8,9 need to finish the whole sky walker story. It did start with E1, why stop now. I think in time we will get all these other things on the big screen. It's like Marvel, but Star Wars.
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Yeah that would be cool, a sort of AOTC Yoda moment (the lightning absorb and deflect scene). What Luke was doing in ROTJ, I think, is what a really advanced Padawan could do in the Prequels.
That's also an excellent reason to train students there. We know from the ROTJ SE that the Jedi Temple was still there (supposedly so the Emperor could gloat over it) so they could still use it. Also it would be an excellent symbol that the Order wasn't destroyed. I would think that young students would rarely leave the temple unless they were extremely well guarded/escorted.
Yeah that would be cool, a sort of AOTC Yoda moment (the lightning absorb and deflect scene). What Luke was doing in ROTJ, I think, is what a really advanced Padawan could do in the Prequels.
That's also an excellent reason to train students there. We know from the ROTJ SE that the Jedi Temple was still there (supposedly so the Emperor could gloat over it) so they could still use it. Also it would be an excellent symbol that the Order wasn't destroyed. I would think that young students would rarely leave the temple unless they were extremely well guarded/escorted.
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Whatever happens, I want Chris Hemsworth in the movie as a Jedi. I think he'd fit perfect in the Star Wars universe.
Whatever happens, I want Chris Hemsworth in the movie as a Jedi. I think he'd fit perfect in the Star Wars universe.
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Uhh . . . Do you have much familiarity with the movie industry?
Ford/Hamill/Fisher would never have been cast in 1976 if they were not all pretty people at the time. Even Obi-wan, the "old fossil" of the first movie, had the appearance of a guy in his 50s more than his 70s. And when they added one more major human protagonist in "Empire" (the darkest and most serious drama of the trilogy) they cast the guy who had been called the black Clark Gable. Like it or not pretty actors help make a movie more fun and successful.
F/H/F will have the age and appearance of people in their 60s/70s for the next 3 movies. I'm not saying they can't be in the movie but they should not be running around with blasters anymore and they should not be the main characters of the movie. And if a better new trilogy could be made by depicting those characters in their 30s-50s then I would be in favor of recasting them.
I am attached to the characters more than the actors. Sue me.
Uhh . . . Do you have much familiarity with the movie industry?
Ford/Hamill/Fisher would never have been cast in 1976 if they were not all pretty people at the time. Even Obi-wan, the "old fossil" of the first movie, had the appearance of a guy in his 50s more than his 70s. And when they added one more major human protagonist in "Empire" (the darkest and most serious drama of the trilogy) they cast the guy who had been called the black Clark Gable. Like it or not pretty actors help make a movie more fun and successful.
F/H/F will have the age and appearance of people in their 60s/70s for the next 3 movies. I'm not saying they can't be in the movie but they should not be running around with blasters anymore and they should not be the main characters of the movie. And if a better new trilogy could be made by depicting those characters in their 30s-50s then I would be in favor of recasting them.
I am attached to the characters more than the actors. Sue me.
Zombie_61
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Unless Disney/Lucasfilm was planning to completely re-boot or re-make the franchise, I think recasting Luke, Leia, and Han would create a huge backlash from the die-hard fans (myself included). I agree they should probably be supporting characters rather than main characters, but Hamill, Fisher, and Ford should play them if possible.
Unless Disney/Lucasfilm was planning to completely re-boot or re-make the franchise, I think recasting Luke, Leia, and Han would create a huge backlash from the die-hard fans (myself included). I agree they should probably be supporting characters rather than main characters, but Hamill, Fisher, and Ford should play them if possible.
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Colin Droidmilk
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
For me, Lucas already did that enough already in the last 2 OT films, with Luke's stuff. I want fun again. I sure don't want to watch Leia and Han struggling not to turn into the enemy as well. Jeez, depressing, man.
And watching Leia doing politicking... nah. A sound recipe for PT tedium, that. Leia is at her most interesting when doing Hepburn/ Bogart with Han. It's not her political position in the republic blah blah that makes her a character, it's the wisecracking and the derring-do.
I've said it before but it really is the acerbic sarcasm flying back and forth between Leia and Han that makes the Death Star section of Star Wars work so brilliantly, so entertainingly; it's fabulous entertainment that just seconds after rescuing this Princess, Han finds himself being furiously told off by her! Then when he arrives in the masher, he is first bollocked by Luke for firing his weapon, then before he can answer, receives a second, even more furious bollocking from Leia! It's just great! I want the writers of the new films to find some way of bringing this kind of fun and LIFE to the character chemistry.
Dark has been done to death for decades now. It's time for the SW franchise to do again what it did in '77: bring some fun in. Cheer people up a bit.
For me, Lucas already did that enough already in the last 2 OT films, with Luke's stuff. I want fun again. I sure don't want to watch Leia and Han struggling not to turn into the enemy as well. Jeez, depressing, man.
And watching Leia doing politicking... nah. A sound recipe for PT tedium, that. Leia is at her most interesting when doing Hepburn/ Bogart with Han. It's not her political position in the republic blah blah that makes her a character, it's the wisecracking and the derring-do.
I've said it before but it really is the acerbic sarcasm flying back and forth between Leia and Han that makes the Death Star section of Star Wars work so brilliantly, so entertainingly; it's fabulous entertainment that just seconds after rescuing this Princess, Han finds himself being furiously told off by her! Then when he arrives in the masher, he is first bollocked by Luke for firing his weapon, then before he can answer, receives a second, even more furious bollocking from Leia! It's just great! I want the writers of the new films to find some way of bringing this kind of fun and LIFE to the character chemistry.
Dark has been done to death for decades now. It's time for the SW franchise to do again what it did in '77: bring some fun in. Cheer people up a bit.
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Too Much Garlic
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Agreed. The right kind of fun. Not gags or fart jokes, but well thought out humor and witty remarks and situations and character interactions. Bring the fire back into the characters - I guess the "faster, more intense" had an effect on that as well. Bring in an energy and let the new characters do the battle between light and dark, with the old characters as the guides.
Solo4114
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Politicking can be interesting, but I'm not sure you could make it fit within the Star Wars universe in any effective way. Certainly I don't think any writer to date has really done it well. It takes up a lot of time to make the politics seem genuinely interesting, so unless it's central to the story, you end up burning screen time trying to make it relevant, or you don't and then nobody cares when someone excitedly announces that the vote for funding the Galactic Central Credit Repository passed by only the slimmest of margins.
Politicking can be interesting, but I'm not sure you could make it fit within the Star Wars universe in any effective way. Certainly I don't think any writer to date has really done it well. It takes up a lot of time to make the politics seem genuinely interesting, so unless it's central to the story, you end up burning screen time trying to make it relevant, or you don't and then nobody cares when someone excitedly announces that the vote for funding the Galactic Central Credit Repository passed by only the slimmest of margins.
Too Much Garlic
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
That's because the PT got too specific with the politicking. If they keep it more at broad strokes politics - injustice versus justice - and not waste time in insignificant politics and things that are pretty boring, such as sitting around waiting for a vote.
That's because the PT got too specific with the politicking. If they keep it more at broad strokes politics - injustice versus justice - and not waste time in insignificant politics and things that are pretty boring, such as sitting around waiting for a vote.
Solo4114
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Right. The specifics would've been interesting IF they'd spent the time to show WHY they were interesting, but to just have a trade dispute over tariffs? And all of this is to get Palpatine elected chancellor under a vote of no confidence in the former guy who can't mediate the trade dispute effectively? Pfft. Who cares?
The plot itself was laughably byzantine in the first place, but then we had to sit through a bunch of parliamentary procedural stuff to let it play out. All of that COULD have been interesting, but it would've taken, like, three prior movies just to show why anyone should care about the procedural stuff.
Big injustice type things, though, would make sense. "You cannot pass a law subjugating the wookiees!" That sort of thing doesn't require a lot of prior explanation, so if they bring that kind of thing into the future films, it could work. But we don't need to then see the vote or the additional motions that were under consideration at the time or whatever.
All that said, it's not hard to make parliamentary procedure interesting. It just detracts from all the other stuff going on in a film. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is still a great film, and there's plenty of awesome double-dealing and political (and literal) backstabbing in the series Rome.
Right. The specifics would've been interesting IF they'd spent the time to show WHY they were interesting, but to just have a trade dispute over tariffs? And all of this is to get Palpatine elected chancellor under a vote of no confidence in the former guy who can't mediate the trade dispute effectively? Pfft. Who cares?
The plot itself was laughably byzantine in the first place, but then we had to sit through a bunch of parliamentary procedural stuff to let it play out. All of that COULD have been interesting, but it would've taken, like, three prior movies just to show why anyone should care about the procedural stuff.
Big injustice type things, though, would make sense. "You cannot pass a law subjugating the wookiees!" That sort of thing doesn't require a lot of prior explanation, so if they bring that kind of thing into the future films, it could work. But we don't need to then see the vote or the additional motions that were under consideration at the time or whatever.
All that said, it's not hard to make parliamentary procedure interesting. It just detracts from all the other stuff going on in a film. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington is still a great film, and there's plenty of awesome double-dealing and political (and literal) backstabbing in the series Rome.
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I would love a new SW movie like that so much. But I'm pretty pessimistic about anyone these days successfully making a SW movie like that.
Of course lots of modern moviemakers could copy that style if they were instructed to. But I don't think anyone these days would be able to do it with creative honesty.
The best artwork always comes from people who aren't trying to fake something they aren't feeling. What modern moviemakers would "feel" the desire to do their new SW movie so upbeat and straightforward like ANH? None of them. Modern film people have been raised with enough upbeat stuff and they come out craving dark sci-fi as adults. They would not want to make another movie like ANH if they were free to do anything they wanted.
In 1977 GL was doing whatever he wanted when he did ANH. A modern crew would be faking it and I don't want that. I would rather get a good creative SW movie with a different tone than a faked upbeat one that feels like everyone is going through the motions.
I would love a new SW movie like that so much. But I'm pretty pessimistic about anyone these days successfully making a SW movie like that.
Of course lots of modern moviemakers could copy that style if they were instructed to. But I don't think anyone these days would be able to do it with creative honesty.
The best artwork always comes from people who aren't trying to fake something they aren't feeling. What modern moviemakers would "feel" the desire to do their new SW movie so upbeat and straightforward like ANH? None of them. Modern film people have been raised with enough upbeat stuff and they come out craving dark sci-fi as adults. They would not want to make another movie like ANH if they were free to do anything they wanted.
In 1977 GL was doing whatever he wanted when he did ANH. A modern crew would be faking it and I don't want that. I would rather get a good creative SW movie with a different tone than a faked upbeat one that feels like everyone is going through the motions.
Kerr Avon
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Didn't Han Solo find out at the end of the movie that he was a Prince and he could marry the Princess? Must have been that other Star Wars movie. :lol
Didn't Han Solo find out at the end of the movie that he was a Prince and he could marry the Princess? Must have been that other Star Wars movie. :lol
Guiness wasnt heavy at all - it was all the layers pf Jedi robes. Check out Murder By Death ( one of my favorite movies) He was filming Murder By Death when he got the script for Star Wars. Guiness plays the butler and he's thin.
Zombie_61
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Exactly right. One of the problems with the PT is that it spent far too much time on showing Palpatine's/Sideous' rise to power through political manipulation, and not nearly enough time on Anakin's growth as a Jedi, fall from grace, and Vader's subsequent rise as a Sith Lord, which should have been the primary focus in the PT movies.
I suppose you're right. There are just certain shots in Star Wars in which he looks a bit "thick around the middle".
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Dont forget - they fed him that birthday cake on the set. ; )
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"Chewbacca didn’t get a hero’s medal at the end of Star Wars because Carrie Fisher wasn’t tall enough." Literally the only important piece of past speculation. Also the only thing in the article that I cared about.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I actually liked that part. It parallels how Hitler positioned himself into power. That's kind of a big part of the series. You can't tell Anakin's story without showing how Sidious became Emperor.
Depending on whether they totally kill the EU or work around it, I would rather they skip Leia's political positions and have her at Luke's side as a Jedi. They set that up in ROTJ when he told her that in time she would train to be a Jedi.
I actually liked that part. It parallels how Hitler positioned himself into power. That's kind of a big part of the series. You can't tell Anakin's story without showing how Sidious became Emperor.
Depending on whether they totally kill the EU or work around it, I would rather they skip Leia's political positions and have her at Luke's side as a Jedi. They set that up in ROTJ when he told her that in time she would train to be a Jedi.
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