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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
X2. I enjoy the EU but I have never heard this before.
X2. I enjoy the EU but I have never heard this before.
Astrokid248
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Apparently none of you played KotOR. Also, last I checked, the games were above the books as far as canon goes, since they have the Lucasarts branding.
seelsa73
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
This discussion is getting really really ridiculous to the point that I honestly can't tell if you all are being serious about these minute, insignificant nit-picks.
Obi-Wan wears pretty much the same thing as everyone else on Tatooine? The jedi "uniforms" of the PT don't look like Luke's from ROTJ? Really? Does anybody stop to think about why these things are different? Like maybe because Obi-Wan is trying to blend in and not look like a Jedi? Or because Jedi are supposed to blend in to a crowd and are servants of nature (the Force) so they wear earth tones to signify that, instead of the black on black on black that Jedi Luke wears in ROTJ because he doesn't have that info to go by? I'm surprised nobody has brought up the fact that the lightsabers are designed differently from the ones in the OT, since that's about the only thing the PT haters haven't griped about.
The things the OT loyalists choose to hate from the PT is really quite silly, IMO. They went in to TPM thinking that they needed to be catered to, and given a rehash of what was in the OT and when they weren't given that, all of a sudden GL is a horrible person that needs to die. Do none of you realize how childish that is? Ironic, considering children are who Star Wars is and has always been intended for. You're not children any more, maybe that's why you hate Star Wars now.
This discussion is getting really really ridiculous to the point that I honestly can't tell if you all are being serious about these minute, insignificant nit-picks.
Obi-Wan wears pretty much the same thing as everyone else on Tatooine? The jedi "uniforms" of the PT don't look like Luke's from ROTJ? Really? Does anybody stop to think about why these things are different? Like maybe because Obi-Wan is trying to blend in and not look like a Jedi? Or because Jedi are supposed to blend in to a crowd and are servants of nature (the Force) so they wear earth tones to signify that, instead of the black on black on black that Jedi Luke wears in ROTJ because he doesn't have that info to go by? I'm surprised nobody has brought up the fact that the lightsabers are designed differently from the ones in the OT, since that's about the only thing the PT haters haven't griped about.
The things the OT loyalists choose to hate from the PT is really quite silly, IMO. They went in to TPM thinking that they needed to be catered to, and given a rehash of what was in the OT and when they weren't given that, all of a sudden GL is a horrible person that needs to die. Do none of you realize how childish that is? Ironic, considering children are who Star Wars is and has always been intended for. You're not children any more, maybe that's why you hate Star Wars now.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
:darnkids
Yeah that ship has sailed. Nothing in the EU is canon.
:darnkids
Yeah that ship has sailed. Nothing in the EU is canon.
Solo4114
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Played it, but never finished it. I don't remember that stuff, but I guess it was in there?
Played it, but never finished it. I don't remember that stuff, but I guess it was in there?
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Yeah, I played it as well, and finished it, but that was nearly 10 years ago, and I don't remember much from it. Either way, according to Lucas it isn't canon.
Yeah, I played it as well, and finished it, but that was nearly 10 years ago, and I don't remember much from it. Either way, according to Lucas it isn't canon.
Too Much Garlic
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
I don't hate Star Wars now. I don't want Lucas dead. It is quite fair to expect that what is already established isn't ignored or overwritten when that backstory is finally told or at least give a pretty damn good reason why it doesn't match up = THAT is good story telling.
Solo4114
Master Member
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
You've been here for two years, so even though you only have a few posts, I'm going to assume you've seen some of the costume discussions and other discussions here relating to fandom. People nitpick over things like whether it was a philips-head screw or a flat-head screw that was on a particular prop. Nitpicking is what we do.
Commenting on the clothing people wear is not hating on the PT. Pointing out an inconsistency in and of itself isn't a condemnation of the whole PT. The PT has inconsistencies. Hell, the OT has inconsistencies. Those have been pointed out in this thread too, but I don't think anyone's hating on the OT as a result.
We're also speculating here on that the future holds for the franchise. After ROTJ, would Luke start wearing the brown robes again? Would the black outfit become the Jedi uniform? Would there even be a uniform going forward, or would Jedi just wear whatever? Nobody's really sure, so we're all just having a little fun spinning our wheels is all.
Well. It certainly is childish! Good thing nobody in this thread is actually doing that. So, I'm going to assume that you're not trying to insult people who aren't fond of the PT by calling them childish, since as near as I can tell, nobody in this thread -- including the people who don't really like the PT -- has (A) called or hoped for GL's death, or (B) said that he is a horrible person. Also, I'd venture that nobody still posting in this now 38-page thread actually hates Star Wars. If they did, they'd probably have checked out around page, oh, 3 or 4 at most. So, good thing you aren't needlessly insulting people who said and did nothing to do the same towards you other than express a dislike for films I can only guess you like.
You've been here for two years, so even though you only have a few posts, I'm going to assume you've seen some of the costume discussions and other discussions here relating to fandom. People nitpick over things like whether it was a philips-head screw or a flat-head screw that was on a particular prop. Nitpicking is what we do.
Commenting on the clothing people wear is not hating on the PT. Pointing out an inconsistency in and of itself isn't a condemnation of the whole PT. The PT has inconsistencies. Hell, the OT has inconsistencies. Those have been pointed out in this thread too, but I don't think anyone's hating on the OT as a result.
We're also speculating here on that the future holds for the franchise. After ROTJ, would Luke start wearing the brown robes again? Would the black outfit become the Jedi uniform? Would there even be a uniform going forward, or would Jedi just wear whatever? Nobody's really sure, so we're all just having a little fun spinning our wheels is all.
Well. It certainly is childish! Good thing nobody in this thread is actually doing that. So, I'm going to assume that you're not trying to insult people who aren't fond of the PT by calling them childish, since as near as I can tell, nobody in this thread -- including the people who don't really like the PT -- has (A) called or hoped for GL's death, or (B) said that he is a horrible person. Also, I'd venture that nobody still posting in this now 38-page thread actually hates Star Wars. If they did, they'd probably have checked out around page, oh, 3 or 4 at most. So, good thing you aren't needlessly insulting people who said and did nothing to do the same towards you other than express a dislike for films I can only guess you like.
3jack
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Classic example of the EU bending over backwards to paste over problems, just making bigger problems in the process.
In "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga" (the one making-of NOT included in the blu-ray set), there's footage of Hamill's first ROTJ costume fitting. Lucas says it's similar to his costume from the first film (?) but being black makes it more "Jedi-like". So, despite Yoda's garb from the previous film, Lucas wasn't yet dead set on brown-on-brown as a defining Jedi wardrobe choice.
Classic example of the EU bending over backwards to paste over problems, just making bigger problems in the process.
In "From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga" (the one making-of NOT included in the blu-ray set), there's footage of Hamill's first ROTJ costume fitting. Lucas says it's similar to his costume from the first film (?) but being black makes it more "Jedi-like". So, despite Yoda's garb from the previous film, Lucas wasn't yet dead set on brown-on-brown as a defining Jedi wardrobe choice.
seelsa73
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I certainly have been to those threads. The difference is, though, that those discussions involve people who love these costumes and props (and presumably the movies they came from, but not necessarily) and want a costume or a prop to exacting standards. That, to me, is understandable. (as, i confess, i am actually one of those people)
I would also like to clarify that these observation that i make are of a general nature, and i know that not everybody fits into this one mold. It's just that these people tend to be the most vocal.
You've been here for two years, so even though you only have a few posts, I'm going to assume you've seen some of the costume discussions and other discussions here relating to fandom. People nitpick over things like whether it was a philips-head screw or a flat-head screw that was on a particular prop. Nitpicking is what we do.
I certainly have been to those threads. The difference is, though, that those discussions involve people who love these costumes and props (and presumably the movies they came from, but not necessarily) and want a costume or a prop to exacting standards. That, to me, is understandable. (as, i confess, i am actually one of those people)
no, but that's just one small part of the larger argument that people are making against the PT as compared to the OT.
That's what the thread started out as, and until recently has stayed that way, but for the past few days it's been veering away from that and into extreme nit-pickery of the PT, relative to the OT. Instead of "i want this in the ST," the discussion is more about comparing the crappiness of things in the PT to the OT.
In this thread, not in so many words. In other threads, not necessarily just on this site, i have absolutely read comments that extreme regarding GL. But when I say they "hate SW," I don't mean all of SW, i mean all of SW that isn't the OT. Because those who dislike/hate the PT tend to also hate/dislike the EU books, The Clone Wars tv series, etc. as well, which are all a part of Star Wars as a whole. That is to say, if all you like of Star Wars is the OT, you're not really a fan of SW, you're a fan of the OT.Well. It certainly is childish! Good thing nobody in this thread is actually doing that. So, I'm going to assume that you're not trying to insult people who aren't fond of the PT by calling them childish, since as near as I can tell, nobody in this thread -- including the people who don't really like the PT -- has (A) called or hoped for GL's death, or (B) said that he is a horrible person. Also, I'd venture that nobody still posting in this now 38-page thread actually hates Star Wars. If they did, they'd probably have checked out around page, oh, 3 or 4 at most. So, good thing you aren't needlessly insulting people who said and did nothing to do the same towards you other than express a dislike for films I can only guess you like.
I would also like to clarify that these observation that i make are of a general nature, and i know that not everybody fits into this one mold. It's just that these people tend to be the most vocal.
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Master Boda
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No offense but to those who only like the OT you lived in a very small part of the SW world oh and seesla73 don't give KOTOR a bad name because you don't remember what happened in the game.
You don't remember it because it was not there.The Rakata were thought to have brought prehistoric humans to Coruscant.The true Sith were not even human.
No offense but to those who only like the OT you lived in a very small part of the SW world oh and seesla73 don't give KOTOR a bad name because you don't remember what happened in the game.
Master Boda
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
Any way back to talking about EP VIi?
Any way back to talking about EP VIi?
Astrokid248
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Hate to say it, but there isn't much more to talk about. Any speculation will probably be far off the mark, and the news about writers and directors is tricking in too slowly to make much of a difference. Until we have hard evidence, like what kind of roles they want to fill in the casting calls, there's not much else to discuss. The horse is dead and beating it further won't help make any glue.
TKSteve
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This is correct. Two-fold reason, one's creative -- it's GL's universe (see also: the fate of Karen Traviss if you don't think the contracted writers need to respect whose sandbox it is), and two, if they'd say, film "Shadows of the Empire," they'd owe he author $ for the adaptation, characters, etc. That won't do for LFL & Diz.
Looks increasingly likely Matthew Vaughn's getting he directing gig for VII tho, seeing how Flemyng basically let the cat outta the bag the other nite. That's cool by me.
This is correct. Two-fold reason, one's creative -- it's GL's universe (see also: the fate of Karen Traviss if you don't think the contracted writers need to respect whose sandbox it is), and two, if they'd say, film "Shadows of the Empire," they'd owe he author $ for the adaptation, characters, etc. That won't do for LFL & Diz.
Looks increasingly likely Matthew Vaughn's getting he directing gig for VII tho, seeing how Flemyng basically let the cat outta the bag the other nite. That's cool by me.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII
As long as he isn't touching the screenplay or the script, I'm ok with him directing.
As long as he isn't touching the screenplay or the script, I'm ok with him directing.
Re: Star Wars Episode VII
You can theorize all you want but --
Here - go to Luke's costume fitting and listen to George - it's at 4:29
From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga - Part 1 of 7 - YouTube
then check out the ART OF books for the prequels - I think it's in attack of the Clones but it could be Phantom Menace - they show the Jedi a more elaborate version of Luke's outfit from ROTJ.
And as for Luke not having access to the info that Jedi wore black - so you're saying not only did the Empire kill the Jedi, but they burned all reference to them in the universe??
You can theorize all you want but --
Here - go to Luke's costume fitting and listen to George - it's at 4:29
From Star Wars to Jedi: The Making of a Saga - Part 1 of 7 - YouTube
then check out the ART OF books for the prequels - I think it's in attack of the Clones but it could be Phantom Menace - they show the Jedi a more elaborate version of Luke's outfit from ROTJ.
And as for Luke not having access to the info that Jedi wore black - so you're saying not only did the Empire kill the Jedi, but they burned all reference to them in the universe??
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