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[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

:confused

I think it would be far better and more interesting if they avoid doing another super weapon.

Most definitely. I think that it would be a pretty big stretch of the imagination to believe that what would be left of Imperial forces by that time would have the wherewithal to build another super weapon along the lines of the Death Star. At this point in time I'd think that it would be hard for the Imps to build more TIE fighters don't mentions Star Destroyers and forget about Super Star Destroyers.

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Especially given that the Emperor and Vader are both dead at that point, crushing the central leadership.

Perhaps it will be parallel with the OT in that now the New Republic is established, but there are those that wish to secede from it, causing all kinds of destruction in their wake. I mean it's hard enough for nations in our world to get along with one another, now even imagine that on a galactic scale. Those that started the Rebellion have to find a way to quell the insurrection without compromising the principles on which they've established their new government. They say history repeats itself. It could raise some interesting questions and lead to great character motivations.

How do you bring new systems under your banner when you can't control people within your leadership, but also keep from becoming tyrants and completely subjugating them?

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Especially given that the Emperor and Vader are both dead at that point, crushing the central leadership.

Perhaps it will be parallel with the OT in that now the New Republic is established, but there are those that wish to secede from it, causing all kinds of destruction in their wake. I mean it's hard enough for nations in our world to get along with one another, now imagine that on a galactic scale. Those that started the Rebellion have to find a way to quell the insurrection without compromising the principles on which they've established their new government. They say history repeats itself. It could raise some interesting questions and lead to great character motivations.

Now that would make for an interesting series of movies. To further muddy the waters you could have the New Republic still dealing with the last remnants of what's left of the Imperial forces. Maybe have some of the worlds looking that are looking at seceeding receiving aid or at least sympathetic to the what's left of the Empire and/or harboring Imperial loyalists.

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That would really get the story going! I like that idea.

 

[modelcitizen]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

*Supershadow*
i'll pass it along to Lucas.....

two years and four months left to go. still think ep 7 will still make a may 25 2015 release?
lolz

how's that script, casting, shooting schedule and post production coming along i wonder....

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

*Supershadow*
i'll pass it along to Lucas.....

two years and four months left to go. still think ep 7 will still make a may 25 2015 release?
lolz

how's that script, casting, shooting schedule and post production coming along i wonder....

I don't think they'll have a problem making the release date, this is being headed by a company that has the ability store it's founder in carbonite after all! :lol

 

[MaddMaxx82]

:confused

Most definitely. I think that it would be a pretty big stretch of the imagination to believe that what would be left of Imperial forces by that time would have the wherewithal to build another super weapon along the lines of the Death Star. At this point in time I'd think that it would be hard for the Imps to build more TIE fighters don't mentions Star Destroyers and forget about Super Star Destroyers.

They did a sun exploding weapon, mounted to a ship, in one of the novels. It was an awesome story. It worked in a new republic era setting, because it was much later. It also played off of the horific memories of Leia's past experience with the death star. Can't remember the title of that one though.

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[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

They did a sun exploding weapon, mounted to a ship, in one of the novels. It was an awesome story. It worked in a new republic era setting, because it was much later. It also played off of the horific memories of Leia's past experience with the death star. Can't remember the title of that one though.

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The problem I have with that is that it's something that EU writers have used a number of times in the past. Just how many times can the Empire, or what's left of it, build a superweapon? Even if the Empire was resurgent decades after the death of the Emperor they'd still be lucky to have the wherewithal build more Star Destroyers much less some superweapon like another Death Star, or a Sun Crusher, or some sort of Super Super Star Destroyer.

Although it's never been really addressed but you have to figure it almost certainly took a good chunk of the resources of the entire Empire to not only build and maintain its fleet of Star Destroyers, support ships, and TIEs, 2 Death Stars must have really strained the Imperial pocketbook. Do you really think that what's left of the Empire could actually do the same with what would almost certainly be a fraction of the worlds in the galaxy still under their influence or control? I doubt there would be a whole lot of support for the Imperial insurgents if they started to tax entire systems to the point of bankruptcy in order to get the funds to build even one super weapon. They also would no longer have access to the labor force than they once enjoyed, slave or otherwise, and don't mention access to facilities to build such super weapons.

 

[Solo4114]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Exactly. It made sense when Thrawn was coming back from the Outer Rim, reuniting the various warlord bands that were wandering teh galaxy still, and marshalling what power he could in a single, coherent force. Particularly because it was only 5 years after Yavin. But the notion that the Empire is still kicking around, what, 20-30 years after the fact? If that's the case, then how can it be claimed that the war ever ended and the Rebels won?

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Empire died with Emperor Palpatine. Either the military forces of the Empire surrendered and pledged their allegiance with the new Republic government, or, they disbanded and went into hiding, except for those hunted down and prosecuted for war crimes.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Empire died with Emperor Palpatine. Either the military forces of the Empire surrendered and pledged their allegiance with the new Republic government, or, they disbanded and went into hiding, except for those hunted down and prosecuted for war crimes.

You're forgetting the third option and that some, like Moffs and fleet or even (capital ship ship) squadron commanders, decided to go into business for themselves and make themselves warlords as was done in the Thrawn novels and, I believe, some comics. Of course, by the time Ep. VII takes place, assuming it's set "present day", there should be few if any warlords left since I don't believe they could maintain their forces for that long without the full resources of the Empire behind them.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, so by the time of the new movie anyway... they would either be civilian, in hiding and hunted by the NR, or pledged to the NR.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

There has to be some sort of war, it's Star WARS.

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well of course there has to be a war. It just doesn't need to be with the Empire. Perhaps some factions could be a part of it, but if they want to maintain the ending of Jedi (in that the Empire was defeated) it needs to focus on a new threat. Just like Luke, Han, Leia and the gang can be a part of it, but they don't necessarily have to be the lead characters. They could be the supporting characters who are the voices of reason to the new generation.

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well of course there has to be a war. It just doesn't need to be with the Empire. Perhaps some factions could be a part of it, but if they want to maintain the ending of Jedi (in that the Empire was defeated) it needs to focus on a new threat. Just like Luke, Han, Leia and the gang can be a part of it, but they don't necessarily have to be the lead characters. They could be the supporting characters who are the voices of reason to the new generation.

Agreed 100%

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

How about a civil war? Systems fighting each other for power after the end of the empire. Time for a Jedi to pop up and restore peace and order.

 

[Nate Jangotat]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Think they'll bring back Fett...?

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

A civil war would be an interesting idea, I think over Republic polices and the state of certain worlds or systems decades after the fall of the Empire. I think that it would be pretty believable to say that certain worlds or systems fared far better under the Empire than others did and once the empire came to the full realization that the Emperor was dead and that the Empire had fallen they thought that perhaps now their lot in life would improve and that the New Republic would bring them up to the same level of wealth prosperity as some of the other worlds in the Empire. Fast forward some 30 odd years later and for whatever reason things haven't improved all that much and these poorer worlds are seceding or attempting to secede or to parallel real world history you could create a Hitler like character (an ultra-nationalist and not necessarily a mad man) who unites these various worlds/systems to create a new Empire of sorts, not for the sake of power or to return to the glory days of the Empire but in order to right a perceived wrong & to bring "balance" back to the galaxy so the poorer parts of the New Republic can prosper like their better off neighbors.

The new "Emperor" could be written so it's not readily apparent what his true motivations are and whether he's truly evil, misguided, or just being misled by his advisors. Although Star Wars had always dealt largely with black and white issues of good vs. evil I think that a morally ambiguous villain character would make for an interesting change although I'm not sure if it would more cliche to make him truly evil but acting like he's not like Palpatine was or simply misguided or misled, I'm thinking that the misguided might be the less cliche esp. if he remains a true believer to the end and doesn't "realize the mistakes he's made and changes his ways".

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I suppose a civil war would be in line with the OT and PT in that they were both based around civil wars. On the same token, it's has been done for 6 movies now. I think it's time for a new threat from outside the Republic. Freshen things up a bit.

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I foresee 7 starting with a civil war that gets jumped by an outside force forcing the former warring factions to unite against a common enemy and laying the groundwork for the New Republic.