Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

I'll say this, I've never seen a movie in 2D and thought, "That movie could have been better if it had used 3D."
I've been saying something similar for years now: I've never seen a movie that was improved by the use of 3D. Then Avatar came along, and...

I think 3D has its place in cinema. Some of the best effects films I've seen were in 3D. I thought "Avatar" with its intense colours and dense set pieces worked brilliantly...
I have to agree that the 3D effects in Avatar were among the best I've seen. But as a movie, I liked it better when it was called Dances With Wolves. The story in Avatar has been told repeatedly in movies over the years, and I'm convinced that the impressive 3D effects are the only reason the movie was as popular as it was--audiences were so "wowed" by the effects that they didn't notice it was just a run-of-the-mill, and rather boring, sci-fi movie.

That being said, I consider 3D to be nothing more than a flawed gimmick. I'll be more impressed when they can make flawless 3D effects without the need for special eyewear. Of course, this is nothing more than my opinion. If you prefer 3D movies, that's fine by me; more power to you. Me, I'll take 2D over 3D every time.
 
I have to agree that the 3D effects in Avatar were among the best I've seen. But as a movie, I liked it better when it was called Dances With Wolves. The story in Avatar has been told repeatedly in movies over the years, and I'm convinced that the impressive 3D effects are the only reason the movie was as popular as it was--audiences were so "wowed" by the effects that they didn't notice it was just a run-of-the-mill, and rather boring, sci-fi movie.

Man avatar was a bore. I read the outline like 10 years before he made it and thought "I hope he doesn't make this... So dull... Even if he did pull off the visuals". The he announced it as his film years later... And when I saw it I realized nothing had changed since outline... And it was just as boring.

but the money kept coming. I couldn't believe it was such a hit and we'd get 3 more.

at least episode 7, while obviously (and wisely) is following the heroes journey as we'll, it just looks so much more interesting. It doesn't need to fall back on 3D - and I really doubt that's something JJ wanted.
 
"Avatar" provided a totally immersive experience that just swept me away when I saw it , and that was in no small part to the 3D. I wasn't disappointed by the script, because as an introduction to a lot of complex sci fi themes to a larger general audiences the fact that it all seems so simple to follow yet worked so well just shows how successsfully it was written,even if it was a fusion of stories.
Everyone keeps going on it was "Dances with Wolves" but I don't remember the flying dragons, coral forests, the fanatastic war machines, all that hi tech science and floating rock sky islands in that film. But the thousands of people that would have normally scorned a sci fi film came to see this exactly because of the combination of elements worked so brilliantly. If the story was boring and simple why on earth did it become the most successful movie of all time? Visually it was just a wonderfull experience to watch and on an human level it worked pretty well too. A great deal better than alot of sci fi films do .
And I imagine there will be some 3D shots that will be stunning on a huge screen in TFA.
Anyway, will TFA beat "Avatar"s box office record?
According to the guy at the local cinema yesterday the midnight showings (apart from a few single seats) had sold out in both formats very quickly and plenty of people were coming in to book the evening showings which were filling up very rapidly,whilst the first weekend shows were pretty much gone. Anyway he'd never seen anything like it. May be after the weekend we'll have so prebooking figures to go by.
I saw a making of " Spectre" UK special last weekend with Jonathon Ross. Seeing as we've had the same with alot of high profile films like "Harry Potter" and "Hunger Games" I wonder if we'll see a similar release for TFA? We know the footage has been shot via that Comic con footage and Ross is a huge SW fan so it will be interesting to see in the final run up to the premiere whats due to come out here and in the States to promote it.

Not that it seems to need the advertising at the moment!
 
I have struggled to put my finger on exactly what made Avatar feel so tired.

The story was predictable. But the story in Titanic was extremely predictable without ill effects.

Dances with Wolves was 20 years earlier. I don't think ANH would have been sunk in 1977 if the storyline mimicked a rarely shown 3hr western movie from the 1950s.

I think Avatar took flak for being politically preachy as well as being a predictable story. Throughout Hollywood almost every movie dealing with Iraq during the 2000's sold poorly, regardless of which political angle it took. People just didn't want to hear any more about it. IMO Avatar probably got the retread complaints at least partly because it had a political slant that nobody wanted to hear again.
 
Disney also did the Avatar story and called it Pocahontas. It's basically the "White Messiah" story that dates back at least a couple thousand years. It's been in English lit for at least a couple centuries, and if I dig I can probably turn up a few Roman era plays that revolve around someone in a foreign land "going native" and helping the natives rally to kick out the invaders -- his own people. And always something those natives hadn't been able to do on their own. But even an arrogant, condescending story premise can be tweaked to make it less heavy-handed or offensive. Still, the only variation on the story I've seen done well was The Last Samurai. I've still not been able to sit all the way through Avatar for boredom. I've seen all of it through patchwork. It's impressive as a tech demonstrator, but as a story in earnest? No. A very similar complaint about Titanic. To quote George Lucas, a special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing. I think Cameron peaked with the first two Terminator films, Aliens, and The Abyss. I haven't really liked any of his movies since.

Meanwhile, Star Wars... Without looking to the spoiler thread, and just going by the trailer:

I'm in agreement with those who think that first shot of Rey opening that hatch is, in fact, the opeing shot of the film -- that the starfield of the opening crawl turns out to be those corrosion holes. So that would mean the movie starts by introducing us to her and her life on Jakku. She seems to acquire BB-8 early and when things are less hectic, so I'm thinking Poe gets shot down on Jakku, he gets captured, and his astromech escapes. Which still begs the question of what either Poe or the First Order were doing there in the first place, if it's such a forgotten armpit of a planet.

I'm seeing three main conflicts so far -- Jakku (presumably chasing Finn), the temperate planet (I see hints of an attack and counterattack, over time), and the ice planet.

And I think we've only still seen hints of the first half of the movie. No reveals, no twists, no Luke, no C-3PO, no trace of Max von Sydow or Andy Serkis, and the merest glimpses of R2-D2, Maz Katana, Phasma, and General Hux. I really am amazed at how close to the vest they've been keeping things, despite almost a year since the first teaser.

--Jonah
 
Disney also did the Avatar story and called it Pocahontas. It's basically the "White Messiah" story that dates back at least a couple thousand years. It's been in English lit for at least a couple centuries, and if I dig I can probably turn up a few Roman era plays that revolve around someone in a foreign land "going native" and helping the natives rally to kick out the invaders -- his own people. And always something those natives hadn't been able to do on their own. But even an arrogant, condescending story premise can be tweaked to make it less heavy-handed or offensive. Still, the only variation on the story I've seen done well was The Last Samurai. I've still not been able to sit all the way through Avatar for boredom. I've seen all of it through patchwork. It's impressive as a tech demonstrator, but as a story in earnest? No. A very similar complaint about Titanic. To quote George Lucas, a special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing. I think Cameron peaked with the first two Terminator films, Aliens, and The Abyss. I haven't really liked any of his movies since.

Yeah I agree. I never saw Pocohontas but it looked similar.


The white-messiah story is tired in a very general sense as well as specifically.


But so is the ANH-style hero's journey. And practically everything else that ever gets released.

I just don't think "tired storyline" is enough to sum up what made Avatar annoy adults. Most of what Hollywood does could be convicted of that. I think Avatar also suffered from feeling like a heavy-handed PC soapbox.
 
I'm as politically correct as they come by I can't stand being preached at.

That being said, the first time I saw avatar I was swept away. The second time, I was being preached at

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Right. What I was trying to convey was that if which of the seven possible storylines is being laid out is so glaringly obvious, the creator didn't do a very good job of developing the characters or setting or the particular twist on that story. A good story is one that you realize after it's over which storyline it was -- you were too caught up in it during to think on it. I would have been far happier if the human explorers weren't so moustache-twirlingly evil, and if Neytiri was the one to rally the Na'vi, and Jake was the one who had her back. A good movie is one with no more than one "oh, come on!" moment (and preferably none). With Avatar, after the third, I had to walk away.

--Jonah
 
Actually, I think it was the environmentalism approach COUPLED with the white savior trope AND the romanticism of the native culture that comes off as racist, not p.c.

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Ha. We've gone from Star Wars to marketing to 3D to Avatar in 4 days. Oh RPF lol


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Super trailer should be shown in theaters.

nailed the mixmatch of scenes. Worked great IMHO.

can I get it in HD???
 
I've watched a couple of those 'peoples reactions to the trailer' things. First, what a mess I've made of my life. I need to get out of the house!

Second, the 2 most honest reactions- I know they are mugging for the camera- but the 2 most honest reactions seem to be when they show the Lucasfilm logo and when they show Han the first time. And that's pretty cool.

Brian
 
Avatar was all political correctness and because of it, not a good film. Cameron put his religion into a film and I have to pass.

Being preached to with a narrow shallow topic is not good film making.
 
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