Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

I've made my peace with them too, but by not watching them for a very long time. The prequels' Anakin is not at all my Anakin (you know, the one Ben described to Luke!) so I've unfortunately avoided Clone Wars as well to avoid reinforcing their portrayal of him. I've heard mixed things about it though, so I'm not sure how much I'm missing there.

I can certainly promise you a better Anakin than in the films. There were so many subtle ways that they showed his potential fall out with the jedi. And you could see his connection to both palpatine and with Tarkin.

The clone wars really did have my favorite versions of both Obi-wan and Anakin.


The problem (which is also the best thing about it) with the show is that it's more like "tales from the clone wars" than anything. It has such a large cast of characters that's it's able to focus on them all. There are episodes that deal entirely with people like Dooku. And he becomes a well written character. And the clones become the characters they need to be.

It's all very interwoven.

There's even a great episode where a clone crashes on a planet and he meets up with a fellow clone...who went AWOL and started a family. It's really great seeing it all fleshed out so well.

But it also means that there can be some very bad episodes. Skip anything that centres on Jar jar or droids
 
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I just rewatched Star Wars and the one scene that gets me every time, and sets up a world I wanted to see SO bad... was a line from Obi-Wan about Uncle Owen...

"He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved."

I just pictured a guy a little younger than Obi-Wan, arguing with Lars at the farm, as he's being recruited to join the Jedi in order to fight in a war against clones. Anakin is just not cut out for moisture farming... was looking for adventure and hated tattoine. Then he gets all wrapped up in being a war hero/great pilot fighting along side Obi-Wan, gets an inflated ego... needs more power, and gets turned to the dark side.

Now you get Lars all worried that Luke will do the same. Keeps him away from Obi wan

"He's got too much of his father in him"

"That's what I'm afraid of"

I still have this in my head, and that's why I just don't see the connect of the prequels. These scenarios I had in my head as a kid aren't unreasonable fan fiction... it's all in the lines.

Lars and Beru didn't even KNOW Anakin in the prequels. Sure they met him. Lars couldn't give a crap what he did.

I'd love a scene in an Obi stand alone where he has a run in with Lars while watching Luke, and Lars (acting like Lars in "A New Hope") tears him a new one for even being on tattoine... setting up his annoyance that Luke is then asking about him after he gets the droids.

But back on subject... the nice thing about TFA, is that they CAN'T mess up anything established... we're moving forward, not messing up backstory.
 
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I just rewatched Star Wars and the one scene that gets me every time, and sets up a world I wanted to see SO bad... was a line from Obi-Wam about Uncle Owen...

"He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved."

I just pictured a guy a little younger than Obi-Wan, arguing with Lars at the farm, as he's being recruited to join the Jedi in order to fight in a war against clones. Anakin is just not cut out for moisture farming... was looking for adventure and hated tattoine. Then he gets all wrapped up in being a war hero/great pilot fighting along side Obi-Wan, gets an inflated ego... needs more power, and gets turned to the dark side.

Now you get Lars all worried that Luke will do the same. Keeps him away from Obi wan

"He's got too much of his father in him"

"That's what I'm afraid of"

I still have this in my head, and that's why I just don't see the connect of the prequels. These scenarios I had in my head as a kid aren't unreasonable fan fiction... it's all in the lines.

Lars and Beru didn't even KNOW Anakin. Sure they met him. Lars couldn't give a crap what he did.

I'd love a scene in an Obi stand alone where he has a run in with Lars while watching Luke and Lars (acting like Lars in "A New Hope") tears him a new one for even being on tatoine... setting up his annoyance that Luke is then asking about him after he gets the droids.

But back on subject... the nice thing about TFA, is that they CAN'T mess up anything established... we're moving forward, not messing up backstory.

That's the problem I had with the prequels, a lot just didn't align with the dialogue from ANH, it's like Lucas didn't bother rewatching the OT and/or reading the final production script before working on the Prequels, to me, it always felt like he was either working from memory or early drafts of the script and/or his early story ideas. While little flat out contradicts what's said in ANH none of it really matches the obvious implications either, you do, however, really have to nuance and read between the lines of the dialogue for a lot of what we see in the Prequels to match up with what's said in ANH.
 
Yes but it was all kept pretty vague. The Lars knew something had had happened to Anakin, which led Owen not to be skeptical of the Jedi for whatever reasons. Anakin left Owen's stepmother to become a Jedi and I am sure she had mentioned to him many times how much she missed her son. Some point between E3 and E4 Owen probably goes on a rant to Obi-Wan about staying away from Luke, not wanting him to be involved in Jedi ways which led to the ruin of Luke's father, in Owen's mind.
 
"He didn't hold with your father's ideals; he felt he should've stayed here and not gotten involved."

One of many!

"Already one of the best starpilots in the galaxy..."

"...and he was a good friend."

"Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough."

"She died when I was very young... She was very beautiful. Kind, but sad."


There's not a lot said about the past in the OT, but the prequels made damn sure to contradict each and every line outside of "I am your father!" I'm surprised they got that much right. It was like it was written by people who didn't even watch the originals.
 
One strange thing in the Phasma pic - she has a regular folding stock on the blaster (like classic E-11) but also a stock already under the shoulder:

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What I find odd about the glove armor is that it appears to sport C-3PO fingers. Seriously, they look identical...




Or it could be, dare I say it, a full-sized AT-PE head from ROTS (Gasp! He mentioned a prequel!) It could be a non-invasive way of linking the PT to the history of the galaxy in the ST.

I can't find any reference to an AT-PE but do you mean AT-PT (per the linked page)? That was from the EU, not the PT and I still think it looks way more like an AT-DP head from Rebels.
 
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I can't find any reference to an AT-PE but do you mean AT-PT (per the linked page)? That was from the EU, not the PT and I still think it looks way more like an AT-DP head.
Oops typo. Yes I meant the AT-PT. And I thought they were the walkers that the clones used when they were searching the swamps of Utapau for Obi-Wan in ROTS, no? The ones that look like mini AT-ST's.
 
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There's not a lot said about the past in the OT, but the prequels made damn sure to contradict each and every line outside of "I am your father!" I'm surprised they got that much right. It was like it was written by people who didn't even watch the originals.
"Already one of the best starpilots in the galaxy..."
Possibly referring to his podracing skills or the attack against the TF droid control ship. It's reaching, perhaps, but would explain it.
"...and he was a good friend."
You can tell from their back and forth banter in eps 2 & 3 and the CW series that they were, in fact, good friends.
"Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough."
Ben made it up. That's what you do when you don't want someone to know the truth.
"She died when I was very young... She was very beautiful. Kind, but sad."
Baby's are, technically, very young; true although it is that they should have had Leia come out first in ROTS. And Padmé was very beautiful, kind and sad at the time of Leia's birth.

So not one of those quotes can be said to be untrue if you think about it. What else you got?
 
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It's funny. Even when I saw rotj as a kid, I assumed that Leia was talking about her adoptive mother.

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Possibly referring to his podracing skills or the attack against the TF droid control ship. It's reaching, perhaps, but would explain it.

You can tell from their back and forth banter in eps 2 & 3 and the CW series that they were, in fact, good friends.

Ben made it up. That's what you do when you don't want someone to know the truth.

Baby's are, technically, very young; true although it is that they should have had Leia come out first in ROTS. And Padmé was very beautiful, kind and sad at the time of Leia's birth.

So not one of those quotes can be said to be untrue if you think about it. What else you got?

I honestly can't agree with any of this.

1. Pods (podracers?) are not starships. I wouldn't call Dale Earnhardt (that's a thing, right?) the best pilot in our Air Force.

2. Like I said, I can't speak for the Clone Wars, but I don't like to look outside of the films to inform what's on screen in the prequels - especially as the cartoon wasn't around when the films were released. In the prequels, there's no hint of real friendship or love between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Anakin was never likable, never a good friend, never charismatic. He simply went from whiney to worse, then turned to the dark side. Not much to redeem, from what I saw.

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3. "Ben made it up?" Only because the prequels contradicted it instead of finding a way to make a very special gift from father to son work. Lazy, and still a contradiction even if you can twist the original film's meaning after the fact.

4. You gotta be punking me with the Padmé thing. You're saying that I should accept that a newborn infant grasped that her mother was beautiful, kind, and sad in the ten seconds they were alive together, and her premie memory is just off the charts higher than Luke's? This conversations was also really important. Luke, facing the prospects of almost certain death and still processing new information about his family's history and having gained a sister, approaches Leia with the hopes of learning something about his mother. His and her "real mother." Leia remembers more than him because she got to spend some time with the lady. Bail Organa should have been a bigger part of the prequels, and probably a competitor for Padme's affections. If she died during childbirth, Leia's answer would have been "I don't know. She died giving birth to me. I only remember my adoptive mother."

All of those quotes were contradicted, and it doesn't take much thinking. I think you mean "if you bend over backwards to excuse their choices and lie to yourself!" I don't have anything else because that's about all the OT ever said about the past. And yeah, they're each contradicted.

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