Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[astroboy]

Correct.

The thing I love about the prequels is that although they aren't necessarily good as films, they are the stuff of legends. They are canon and there is something important about that. This was the space opera that Lucas wanted to tell and no matter how bad the dialogue was, it's all about the story of anakin Skywalker.

Much in the same way someone would go back and read certain books in the bible, I watch the prequels.

 

[batguy]

If I was a zillionaire (like, a LOT of money) I'd like to redo the PT someday in the future.

I would borrow whatever I wanted from GL's movies. I'd change whatever else I wanted. Forget all rules & habits about intellectual property, ownership, box office . . . screw it all. Just do whatever the heck makes the best movies in the long run. That's how oral traditions got passed down centuries ago.

 

[Westies14]

The thing I love about the prequels is that although they aren't necessarily good as films, they are the stuff of legends. They are canon and there is something important about that. This was the space opera that Lucas wanted to tell and no matter how bad the dialogue was, it's all about the story of anakin Skywalker.

Much in the same way someone would go back and read certain books in the bible, I watch the prequels.

I prefer the backstory of the Skywalkers that's told in the OT which the PT dumped all over... Anakin was already a great pilot, he was a good friend, Yoda trained Ben, Leia knew her real mother, etc. Haha even just that last one - how much operatic drama is robbed from Lucas' "space opera" when instead of getting his first insight into who his real mother was, Leia is unknowingly reporting to Luke the sadness of some adopted mother that has no connection to him and who she was only told was her birth mother? Honestly, they didn't even try.

 

[astroboy]

If I was a zillionaire (like, a LOT of money) I'd like to redo the PT someday in the future.

I would borrow whatever I wanted from GL's movies. I'd change whatever else I wanted. Forget all rules & habits about intellectual property, ownership, box office . . . screw it all. Just do whatever the heck makes the best movies in the long run. That's how oral traditions got passed down centuries ago.

I would actually do it as an Anime miniseries.

Like, 36 30 minute episodes.

I'd even expand the prequel era and throw in some stuff from the clone wars tv show. (While condensing the Jake Lloyd era)

 

[astroboy]

I prefer the backstory of the Skywalkers that's told in the OT which the PT dumped all over... Anakin was already a great pilot, he was a good friend, Yoda trained Ben, Leia knew her real mother, etc. Haha even just that last one - how much operatic drama is robbed from Lucas' "space opera" when instead of getting his first insight into who his real mother was, Leia is unknowingly reporting to Luke the sadness of some adopted mother that has no connection to him and who she was only told was her birth mother? Honestly, they didn't even try.

There's some stickiness with that story too.

We know that Leia is from a family of very important people. People who Vader knows and has probably dealt with. So we are to believe that vader doesn't know what happened to his wife? And that they also had a daughter?

Remember, they hid her from vader. It makes more sense that she isn't with her birth mother.

 

[Westies14]

Not sticky enough to allow undermining it in that way. There's clearly a story to tell with Luke and Leia's mom, but if they're not talking about their mother (their "real mother, I mean," as Luke specifies) the information is dramatically useless - especially the cut to Luke processing that first scrap of who she was. Leia's description of her sadness is also clearly a hint, unknowingly to her, of a woman who lost the love of her life to the Dark Side. I don't think she got that impression of her when she exited the birth canal, and to say she died when Leia was very young becomes a serious understatement.

"She died when I was very young." Even if Vader knew he had a daughter, (and to answer your question, he didn't - remember when he found out a few scenes later?) it sounds like Leia's mother passed away before he ever came across them. Perhaps if Bail Organa hadn't been a cardboard cutout that shows up at the end of the prequels' story, there could have been some good reason for Mama Skywalker to end up hiding under his roof, raising her daughter with him.

Good writers could have crafted prequels that didn't violate the precious few bits of the past that are spoken of in the OT. It would have been a very satisfying exercise, and I'm sure there are several valid ways to get there. Instead, we've got prequels that violate every single thing we knew about what came before, and this is just one more way in which you have to contort yourself in order to watch (or defend) those stories.

 

[astroboy]

Very good points

 

[Wolfsburg]

Honestly, I kinda wondered when was the last time George had actually watched the OT. It seriously seemed like he just forgot about a lot of these tangential things. Otherwise, I can't imagine why anyone would purposely decide to simply ignore what had already been so clearly established. I guess we're lucky he didn't also decide to just change Anakin's name or something. Lol! There's a certain amout of damage control that can attempt to explain away these discrepencies but the whole thing with Leia and their mother is the most glaring discrepency. Some people try to say "oh...uh...she remembered Padme through the Force and...uh...in those 3 seconds she saw how beautiful and sad she was" but that's pretty weak.

I guess we should've known George was capable of making questionable story decisions all the way back to ROTJ when he made Leia Luke's sister and opening up the whole creepy unknowing incestuous angle in the prior two movies. I mean, did he not think that the Han/Luke/Leia love triangle and all that smooching would now be a little weird when people went back to watch them? To me, that was one of the most glaring story faux pas of the OT. The PT just snowballed the trend.

 

[Jeyl]

There's a certain amout of damage control that can attempt to explain away these discrepencies but the whole thing with Leia and their mother is the most glaring discrepency. Some people try to say "oh...uh...she remembered Padme through the Force and...uh...in those 3 seconds she saw how beautiful and sad she was" but that's pretty weak.

Leia also forgot to mention how morbidly suicidal her mother was that she literally willed herself to die.

...Speaking of, did you know that there is a indiego project where you can fund a documentary that defends the Star Wars prequels?

The Prequels Strike Back

They've got great discussion points lined up like this so-called 'ring theory' about how the two trilogies share similarities...

"Now a new theory challenges previous interpretations of the films. Star Wars Ring Theory is a fresh perspective on the Star Wars prequels. At its core, the theory argues that Lucas developed a series of sophisticated connections, mirrors, and parallels between his two Star Wars trilogies. These links are in both narrative and imagery, and once noticed, they make the saga come full circle."

So new and fresh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc

I hope JJ isn't seeing rings.

 

[mvanwalks421]

I'd like to think Palpatine killed her through the force and gave Vader her remaining..midichlorians? But I don't think Lucas was capable of writing something like that.

Then again, the whole thing would've been better if the Belated Media guy helped doctor Lucas' script.

 

[Wavey]

If only Aunt Beru didn't need a translator that "speaks bocce...." *cue that music*

 

[RougeAvenger81]

I thought this was interesting to hear out of Lucas' own mouth (so to speak). He had plans for Episode 7 that he had sold to Disney, along with the rights to the films, and Disney didn't use any of his ideas. To me, that speaks volumes towards what he was planning if they scrapped everything he had planned. The article is below.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html

 

[seelsa73]

Yea he said that months ago during an interview he did for strange magic. There's video out there of it.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Yeeeeah, I'm aware of this. Good luck to them is all I can say! Lol!

Leia also forgot to mention how morbidly suicidal her mother was that she literally willed herself to die.

...Speaking of, did you know that there is a indiego project where you can fund a documentary that defends the Star Wars prequels?

The Prequels Strike Back

They've got great discussion points lined up like this so-called 'ring theory' about how the two trilogies share similarities...

"Now a new theory challenges previous interpretations of the films. Star Wars Ring Theory is a fresh perspective on the Star Wars prequels. At its core, the theory argues that Lucas developed a series of sophisticated connections, mirrors, and parallels between his two Star Wars trilogies. These links are in both narrative and imagery, and once noticed, they make the saga come full circle."

So new and fresh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc

I hope JJ isn't seeing rings.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

Yea he said that months ago during an interview he did for strange magic. There's video out there of it.

I figured as much. Hadn't seen it yet. Thanks tho.

 

[JD]

I'm fairly sure that they mentioned that Lucas' VII treatments were part of the sale during the LFL/Disney press conference. I thought it was implied that they were using George's ideas; but, that may've been the intention back then and... well, thing's change.

 

[astroboy]

From what I read recently, one of the main parts of his new trilogy is that the new generation of heroes were teenagers. And the speculation is that Disney started getting flashbacks to Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christiansen.

 

[JD]

In reality, Daisy and John are both 23 - while far from Jake Lloyd's age, it wouldn't be a stretch to see them playing the same age as Hayden's Anakin or even Mark Hamill's Luke. I'm not really buying the speculation that Disney got cold feet at the age of the potential stars of Lucas' treatment.

I think they wanted stronger involvement of our OT heroes than George may've wanted. I also like what Kennedy said that this is the story we're going to see is the story that developed - meaning it was a creative process that involved the Lucas story and just evolved through the work of the creators. Perhaps it's a similar story that we would've gotten if George was sitting in and helping guide this project (I'd like to think so).

 

[glunark]

It doesn't make a lot of sense for Han and Liea to wait to have kids until she is in her mid 40s.

The teenage thing was never going to fly.

Personally I never liked seeing kids in films even when I was a kid, hell short round was half the reason I never saw Temple of Doom at pictures.

 

[jcoffman99]

It doesn't make a lot of sense for Han and Liea to wait to have kids until she is in her mid 40s.

The teenage thing was never going to fly.

Personally I never liked seeing kids in films even when I was a kid, hell short round was half the reason I never saw Temple of Doom at pictures.

Hey it's hard to find time for love when you're leading a rebellion.