Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I also would guarantee slave labor was required to build the death star.. They simply wouldn't have the money to pay everyone required to make it.

Slave labor seems to be a requisite among despots; A.H. used slave labor for quite a lot of his war materiel in WWII. And I seem to remember, way before the E.U. was even an entity, that slave labor was mentioned in connection with the first Death Star's construction. In a system called Horuz at the planet of Despayre; apt names for what had to be hellish working conditions...

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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What If The New Star Wars Movies Pretend The Prequels Don't Exist?

http://observationdeck.io9.com/what-if-the-new-star-wars-movies-pretend-the-prequels-d-1635176322/+katharinetrendacosta

I don't think you have to ignore the Prequels, but there's also no reason to reference them at that point anyway.

(It's a safe bet that most dedicated fans already had an idea of what the Republic and young Vader and Obi-Wan looked like that didn't resemble the world of the prequels at all.) Prequels invite collective amnesia in a way that even a disappointing sequel doesn't.

I may be wrong, but to me that sounds like a big reason (beyond the Prequel's obvious flaws) why a lot of fans who grew up with the OT didn't like the Prequels. As someone said on here, Lucas didn't personally ask them for advice on how to make the movies. I was born a week before Star Wars, so maybe I wasn't old enough to have had a lot of conversations with friends about what we thought was happening with the movies. What I mean is that if you were 10 at the time of SW, you had a lot of years to discuss it with friends. I had ideas of what things might have happened, but the I generally liked the Prequels.

 

[joberg]

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Interesting conversation Riceball...To say that the Rebellion won is one thing but to install a "Rebel Government" is another, especially with the Empire still in charge of many planets/systems. And who's to say that everybody was going to jump on the Rebel's band wagon. As you said, if the people had job, were fed and had a roof over their heads during the Empire, the changes brought in by a new group of rulers doesn't necessarily makes for the same people to reject the old society (as we see in today's Russia, where a great segment of the population is saying that the country was better under Stalin...then again, Putin is taking from the book of "Stalin Rules 101:rolleyes). I put the Celebration segment into a few planets/worlds who helped the Rebels, but I'm certainly not putting it for the entire Galaxy.

 

[JD]

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I don't think you have to ignore the Prequels, but there's also no reason to reference them at that point anyway.

I may be wrong, but to me that sounds like a big reason (beyond the Prequel's obvious flaws) why a lot of fans who grew up with the OT didn't like the Prequels. As someone said on here, Lucas didn't personally ask them for advice on how to make the movies. I was born a week before Star Wars, so maybe I wasn't old enough to have had a lot of conversations with friends about what we thought was happening with the movies. What I mean is that if you were 10 at the time of SW, you had a lot of years to discuss it with friends. I had ideas of what things might have happened, but the I generally liked the Prequels.

I was old enough to have seen Star Wars twice the first time around in theaters - and I generally liked the prequels, too.

...I don't think there's any legitimate reason to ignore them.

 

[cboath]

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Considering that E7 is 50 years after rots, there's not all that much to use or ignore. Capital was Corscant and .....? Luke/Leia know nothing of their family history other than Vader was dad. Know next to nothing of the clone wars, etc...

About the only thing they could do is bring back SLJ as a one armed old old jedi who survived being tossed out a window or have watto in a wheelchair on mos espa, or god forbid, great grandpa Jar jar

 

[Bryancd]

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Considering that E7 is 50 years after rots, there's not all that much to use or ignore. Capital was Corscant and .....? Luke/Leia know nothing of their family history other than Vader was dad. Know next to nothing of the clone wars, etc...

About the only thing they could do is bring back SLJ as a one armed old old jedi who survived being tossed out a window or have watto in a wheelchair on mos espa, or god forbid, great grandpa Jar jar

50 years?! Everything indicates it's 30 years.

 

[JD]

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50 years?! Everything indicates it's 30 years.

He said RotS not RotJ.

 

[Bryancd]

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He said RotS not RotJ.

Oh, sorry!

 

[Laspector]

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Well, blowing up an entire inhabited planet with no warning was pretty bad.

I was basically referring to before that. What had they done before that , that even on a backwater world like Tatooine, people hated the Empire?

 

[matty matt]

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Well we can't be sure, but slave labor sounds pretty likely. Also, aren't the Empire prejudiced against alien races, and that's why we only see human Imperials? Also in ANH we see them slaughter jawas and innocent people. Now they did try to blame that on the sand people, but not everyone's going to fall for their tricks.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

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Considering that E7 is 50 years after rots, there's not all that much to use or ignore. Capital was Corscant and .....? Luke/Leia know nothing of their family history other than Vader was dad. Know next to nothing of the clone wars, etc...

About the only thing they could do is bring back SLJ as a one armed old old jedi who survived being tossed out a window or have watto in a wheelchair on mos espa, or god forbid, great grandpa Jar jar

That might be one Prequel thing that would be acceptable, if Luke and Leia figure out who their mom was. They could do it similarly to how they did in the EU where R2 accidentally plays a clip of Anakin and Padme talking. Surely R2 would figure out that there's no reason to keep it secret anymore. Don't spend a lot of time on it, but it would be cool. Maybe Han and Leia's kid (if that's true) asks about their parents and R2 says "Oh by the way, here's some video..." well in beeps anyway.

 

[seelsa73]

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Also, aren't the Empire prejudiced against alien races, and that's why we only see human Imperials?

While that would seem to be a safe assumption, that's more of an EU construct than anything else. We don't see any female Imperials in the OT either, and the Legends EU makes it out that women were prejudiced against in the Empire, but in A New Dawn (which is 100% canon) there's a female stormtrooper, which implies things that have been assumed up to this point aren't necessarily true any more.

 

[Bryancd]

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While that would seem to be a safe assumption, that's more of an EU construct than anything else. We don't see any female Imperials in the OT either, and the Legends EU makes it out that women were prejudiced against in the Empire, but in A New Dawn (which is 100% canon) there's a female stormtrooper, which implies things that have been assumed up to this point aren't necessarily true any more.

And a female Stardestroyer captain!

 

[Riceball]

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I was basically referring to before that. What had they done before that , that even on a backwater world like Tatooine, people hated the Empire?

Did they? We never got any evidence to suggest one way or the way the other the way that people on Tattooine felt about the Empire. Just because Biggs wanted to jump ship and join the Alliance doesn't mean that everybody else on the planet hates the Empire and loves the Rebellion, if anything I'd imagine that they probably didn't really care one way or the other being a backwater planet and all. Luke doesn't count because he was pretty much neutral at the beginning of Ep. IV, it wasn't until he hooked up Ben & Stormtroopers killed his aunt & uncle did he have any reason to hate the Empire. At most I'd say that at the beginning he was at least sympathetic towards the Rebellion but there was nothing to suggest that he actually hated the Empire, he certainly felt good enough about the Empire to want to join the Academy, if only as means of getting off world.

Well we can't be sure, but slave labor sounds pretty likely. Also, aren't the Empire prejudiced against alien races, and that's why we only see human Imperials? Also in ANH we see them slaughter Fawas and innocent people. Now they did try to blame that on the sand people, but not everyone's going to fall for their tricks.

Maybe not but you'd be surprised at what people will believe. Besides, I'd imagine that the majority of the population of Tattooine know next to nothing about Sand People and would readily believe that the attack was really perpetrated by the Imperials. Plus the attack took place out in the middle nowhere so who's going to care to investigate it to prove otherwise, esp. if they have no reason to believe otherwise and there's the threat of rogue Sand People out there.

 

[Bryancd]

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Did they? We never got any evidence to suggest one way or the way the other the way that people on Tattooine felt about the Empire. Just because Biggs wanted to jump ship and join the Alliance doesn't mean that everybody else on the planet hates the Empire and loves the Rebellion, if anything I'd imagine that they probably didn't really care one way or the other being a backwater planet and all. Luke doesn't count because he was pretty much neutral at the beginning of Ep. IV, it wasn't until he hooked up Ben & Stormtroopers killed his aunt & uncle did he have any reason to hate the Empire. At most I'd say that at the beginning he was at least sympathetic towards the Rebellion but there was nothing to suggest that he actually hated the Empire, he certainly felt good enough about the Empire to want to join the Academy, if only as means e.

The only opportunity we get to see a real city and populous in the OT is Bespin and Cloud City. Lando and the general populace don't seem too put out by the Empire, even with his claims they are a small operation. Otherwise all we see is the Empire through the eyes of the Rebellion.

 

[Avanaut]

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Be warned, this will knock your socks off: The Millennium Falcon life-size set in closeup. Another conversation piece between J.J. Abrams and Zack Snyder, and a nice one at that!

 

[Heisenberg07]

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That was very cool!!!

 

[Bryancd]

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Be warned, this will knock your socks off: The Millennium Falcon life-size set in closeup. Another conversation piece between J.J. Abrams and Zack Snyder, and a nice one at that!

WOW.....

 

[Riceball]

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The only opportunity we get to see a real city and populous in the OT is Bespin and Cloud City. Lando and the general populace don't seem too put out by the Empire, even with his claims they are a small operation. Otherwise all we see is the Empire through the eyes of the Rebellion.

That's true and that's what I think is coloring everybody's perception of the Empire since we it mostly through the eyes of the Rebellion, we never get to see it from the perspective of the common citizen who more than likely don't know that the Empire is evil and probably wouldn't believe it either if told so. I'm sure that in the eyes of most people the members of the Rebellion were nothing more than a bunch of terrorists, scum, and ne'er do wells looking to destroy the way of life that they enjoy. And I'm sure that in some cases, particularly early on in the rebellion, it was probably true and it's something that I hope to see in Rebels.

 

[Edraven99]

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So... does that mean that if you have a toy tumbler its now officially a screen used prop?