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did ya play KOTOR II?

there's a little bit of their history in that.
 
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The Mandos were great as portrayed in the Republic Commando books. However the Clone Wars series has ruined/changed all that now. :(
 
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It doesn't have to be dark to be good, I for one don't want to see comedy though, like Threepio with a battle droids head, like artoo spraying oil over super battle droids then setting them on fire, and I especially hope we don't get more droid fighters that turn their heads as they fly in space battle and make little chirping noises, I guess I just want to see less CGI droid slapstick and more real acting

That's crap comedy, though.

I'm talking about good comedy like Han talking into the detention centre console. I'm talking about characters with a sense of humour like Leia 'you came in that thing?' Organa and Han 'It's worse' Solo. I'm talking about quips.
 
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Kershner said it best. He needed humor, but couldn't do gags. He needed romance, but couldn't do a lot of kissing and smooching.
 
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Anyone else catch the bit over at TFN about Carrie Fisher confirming her involvment in the new trilogy? Eeesh...it begins.
 
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Not it doesn't. They updated that article with a quote from her publicist sayings it was, "Tongue in cheek."
 
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In order for episode 7 to be good. Luke has to die. He has to become the mentor figure for whoever the new hero is, the same way obi wan was the mentor for luke and Qui Gon a mentor for Obi Wan (yes PM reference here because Qui Gon was the only good part of that movie). Mentors have to leave their heroes behind and I think that Luke dying would be the perfect thing to connect this new trilogy to the old, give the new hero reason to go on an adventure, and plunge the now peaceful galaxy into a new dark age.
 
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The villain also has to be losing their humanity. The great thing about Star Wars villains is that each of the good ones (Maul, Vader, and Palpatine) has some aspect of not quite human. I think that retaining humanity is part of what Star Wars is about. I think bringing Palpatine back in some way (be it like he was in the EU or not). He needs to be the villain that spans the entire series. The one pulling all the strings. Now instead of wanting to destroy the Jedi to take over the galaxy, it's more personal. He wants revenge on Luke, so he comes back from the dead in some form with a vengence, looking to destroy everything Luke has fought for and built up and it's up to our new hero to protect the Jedi Order from falling as it had before.
 
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And you have no evidence that it isn't as easy to wield a lightsaber as it is to wield a sword. NONE! All it takes is practice.

Hell... that shoddy robot cyborg thingy in RotS seemed to be able to handle lightsabers just fine... and all that required was a little training with Tyranus.

So basically... there is evidence that non-force users can handle a lightsaber quite efficiently, whereas the other nonsense is just made up by some random writers having to fill their books with "something".

Lucas has said that anyone can pick up a lightsaber, but no one can fight with it like a Jedi because you need the Force for total control. Grievous couldn't deflect lasers or do anything except regurgitate what he saw Dooku demonstrate. That's why Obi Wan easily took off two of his hands. Grievous was attempting to use technology to do what the Jedi do with the Force.
 
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Sluis, combine what you just said with what Cal just said and we're at the heart of the climax of Star Wars: it's about retaining humanity, it's about the triumph of humanity over machine, it's about trusting ourselves instead of leaving the thinking to machines.
Now, regarding bringing Palpatine back? Eeeeeewwwwwwww....what, and "this time it's personal"? Nay...NAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY....nix non no. I wouldn't balk at a protegee of Sidious though. Vader had designs on training Luke as his apprentice to overthrow Sidious, and I have no problem with the idea that Sidious took at least one apprentice Vader didn't know about. Palps took used what was at hand after Mustafar, but Vader certainly wasn't what Sidious had been planning and hoping for a decade. The whole underlying current of the Sith is that they don't trust each other, and kept trying to secretly off each other - an unknown apprentice would fit.
 
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Vader had designs on training Luke as his apprentice to overthrow Sidious, and I have no problem with the idea that Sidious took at least one apprentice Vader didn't know about. Palps took used what was at hand after Mustafar, but Vader certainly wasn't what Sidious had been planning and hoping for a decade. The whole underlying current of the Sith is that they don't trust each other, and kept trying to secretly off each other - an unknown apprentice would fit.

I concur... would be cool if Vader had a secret apprentice he was training during the 20 years between RotS and New Hope with the idea in mind of overthrowing Palpy before he discovered Luke existed then cast off the other apprentice in favor of finding his son. So that would be the other shoe drops revelation about Vader... (you could even go so far as flashbacks showing the discussions and training in secret which would give us Vader in action on the big screen yet again!) :love
 
I concur... would be cool if Vader had a secret apprentice he was training during the 20 years between RotS and New Hope with the idea in mind of overthrowing Palpy before he discovered Luke existed then cast off the other apprentice in favor of finding his son. So that would be the other shoe drops revelation about Vader... (you could even go so far as flashbacks showing the discussions and training in secret which would give us Vader in action on the big screen yet again!) :love

The Force Unleashed?
 
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Yeah, the problem with Vader though, is that the PT basically showed us that Anakin got played because...well...he just wasn't that bright. Sure he was talented, and a brilliant tactical mind, but he was incredibly naive and just as thick as a whale omlet. It's okay, Lucas actually said as much during the run up to the PT films. But that means Vader just isn't that coniving or cunning - he's a blunt force instrument like Maul. Which is interesting actually - Sidious often picked powerful but not terribly subtle apprentices, possibly to minimize the chance that they would develop plans of their own. Luke is a wrench in the works, and enough of a blatant slap in the mask that it occurs to Vader that "hey...what would happen if he and I teamed up against this guy?". I just can't see Vader doing that kind of thing under normal circumstances. Basically my position is "TFU? STFU!". :)
 
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It doesn't have to be dark to be good, I for one don't want to see comedy though, like Threepio with a battle droids head, like artoo spraying oil over super battle droids then setting them on fire, and I especially hope we don't get more droid fighters that turn their heads as they fly in space battle and make little chirping noises, I guess I just want to see less CGI droid slapstick and more real acting
"Roger roger." :D

But seriously, I agree. The humor in the PT came from silly sight gags and bad puns, and felt forced. The humor in the OT came from the characterizations and the way the characters reacted to each other and certain situations, so it felt more natural. There's nothing wrong with having a little humor in a Star Wars movie, but it shouldn't draw attention to itself in an obnoxious and obvious was as it did in the PT.
 
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