Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Actually, those facts came straight out of an international study that was released earlier this year. I know that facts are another phenomenon in many places, certainly in the U.S., that are readily ignored and discarded in deference to "belief". But, as they say, the facts are the facts. They do all the "painting". They don't need any help from me.

And you're right. Every generation has said the same of the younger generations because it was true. Little by little there has been a steady degredation, kind of like the spread of cancer, of the quality of people we produce. It has conintually worsened from one generation to the next. But, there has been a rocket-propelled acceleration of the downward spiral, at least in the U.S., over the past 40 years or so. People can and do
argue with that. But it's always in denial of a fact-based reality. They can also argue that the world is flat. Doesn't make it so. It is what it is.

:lol WOW That's quite a statement! Do you really assume ONE study makes this a FACT? Over the last 400 or 40 years the human race has thrived, we have constantly increased life expectancy, and lowered infant mortality on a global scale. 40 years ago this conversation could not even be taking place, but do to human advances we now can exchange ideas from opposite sides of the world almost instantly. Keep in mind that the people who developed this tech for us to use, were once refered to as petulant good-for-nothing brats. The shape of the earth is verifiable and an empirical truth. The social fabric of todays youth is an opinion, regardless on one un-named study. Making a comparison between the two looks like strawman constuction. FACTS: Verifiable with empirical evidence and observation. OPINIONS: Ideas and theories frequently based on anecdotal experience, that have not been verified with empirical evidence nor replicated through experiment.
example:
Fact: Many people enjoy the PT
Opinion: It sucked (mine)
The "downward spiral" of society is simply a subjective opinion, not everybody wants society to evolve in the same direction. Some people see the rising number of aethiests in the world as a "good" thing, others as a "bad" thing. Some see enviromental awareness as a "good" thing others.....you get the concept, it's all subjective. Just calling something "FACT" doesn't make it one, you need to provide evidence to back it up or most folks will see it as an opinion. Sorry to de-rail, but I did mention Star Wars in there somewhere :lol

 

[Edwardowan]

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:lol WOW That's quite a statement! Do you really assume ONE study makes this a FACT? Over the last 400 or 40 years the human race has thrived, we have constantly increased life expectancy, and lowered infant mortality on a global scale. 40 years ago this conversation could not even be taking place, but do to human advances we now can exchange ideas from opposite sides of the world almost instantly. Keep in mind that the people who developed this tech for us to use, were once refered to as petulant good-for-nothing brats. The shape of the earth is verifiable and an empirical truth. The social fabric of todays youth is an opinion, regardless on one un-named study. Making a comparison between the two looks like strawman constuction. FACTS: Verifiable with empirical evidence and observation. OPINIONS: Ideas and theories frequently based on anecdotal experience, that have not been verified with empirical evidence nor replicated through experiment.
example:
Fact: Many people enjoy the PT
Opinion: It sucked (mine)
The "downward spiral" of society is simply a subjective opinion, not everybody wants society to evolve in the same direction. Some people see the rising number of aethiests in the world as a "good" thing, others as a "bad" thing. Some see enviromental awareness as a "good" thing others.....you get the concept, it's all subjective. Just calling something "FACT" doesn't make it one, you need to provide evidence to back it up or most folks will see it as an opinion. Sorry to de-rail, but I did mention Star Wars in there somewhere :lol

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"...you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view"
If one looks back at the 1800's alone and the wild west frontier you would see that society has probably improved quite a bit since then... It was called the wild west for more than one reason! I'd say there has been a bit of an upward spiral in society on the whole. Sure, society is much more liberal now, a bit more tolerant and open-minded but some do think that is the downward spiral. :rolleyes For all the idiocy that's brought to light in the mass media (because stupid is entertaining) there is 100 times more intelligent deeds and scientific and philanthropic human advances being made that doesn't get recognized or promoted in the general media. yes, there are morons out there but sometimes those obnoxious kids turn out okay and become amazing contributing members of society. (I was one)

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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STAR WARS VII... can't wait. Even with JJ at the helm. What I think will be the most interesting thing is the new characters and what the story is actually going to be about.

Maybe they are invaded by little green 2-feet tall gnomes.

 

[jme3]

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^:lol

Neither you nor me!

I'm looking for some new worlds, some of the familiar ones, some new characters, some of the familiar ones, spacecraft that are easily recognizable as being "SW", and the classical musical score as icing on the cake...

 

[rodneyfaile]

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I cant wait for VII either, but in a way I wouldn't mind a reboot. I am sure one will happen eventually. The casting for the Star Trek reboot was pretty good, especialy Bones and Spock. I would love to see some new actors take on the classic Star Wars roles, and of course, that would mean we get more Vader!

Maybe Mark Hamill could play the emperor.

 

[Edwardowan]

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I cant wait for VII either, but in a way I wouldn't mind a reboot. I am sure one will happen eventually. The casting for the Star Trek reboot was pretty good, especialy Bones and Spock. I would love to see some new actors take on the classic Star Wars roles, and of course, that would mean we get more Vader!

Maybe Mark Hamill could play the emperor.

Hamill could probably pull that off considering his voice over work and ability to do impressions.

If the rumors about a young Han and Chewie Stand alone film is true then recasting will be fully tested there... and could lead to recasting all of them eventually I suppose. Not sure I need to see a total remake of New Hope, Empire etc but if a rewrite of the PT is ever done I'd applaud that!

 

[Too Much Garlic]

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Not sure I need to see a total remake of New Hope, Empire etc but if a rewrite of the PT is ever done I'd applaud that!

There's only really one way to do it and make sense. Basically condense ANH, ESB and RotJ into one 3+hour film.

If the scripts online are real, then the initial Death Star attack in that one was a huge disaster for the rebels, but they damaged it enough to save the planet from being destroyed so they could escape, regroup and strike again, when the Death Star was being repaired above the Wookie planet.

However, it will be a completely different movie... as many of the things we like from the movies isn't there.

On second thought... let's not even THINK about this anymore. Move along people, nothing to see here. YIKES. :behave

 

[Edwardowan]

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From what I understand Disney's purchase includes the models and props used. (correct me if I am mistaken) And if so, do you think these will be used in the sequels, stand alone films old school or do you think they will go all CGI for the ships?
If the model prop archive is indeed transferred ownership to Disney I wonder what they intend to do with them? I would love to see ALL of it on display at Star Tours.. make a SW Disney prop room museum!

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If the model prop archive is indeed transferred ownership to Disney I wonder what they intend to do with them? I would love to see ALL of it on display at Star Tours.. make a SW Disney prop room museum!

Hopefully they'll stay at the archives. As exciting as these times are for the reality of more Star Wars movies, it would be sad (to me anyway) to see these models and props dispersed hither and yon. Even though they're not available to the general public, outside the context of traveling exhibits, I'd still rather they stay where they're at and maintain some semblance of their history.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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On second thought... let's not even THINK about this anymore. Move along people, nothing to see here. YIKES. :behave

I am of this thinking as well!

 

[TEEDA]

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Sorry if already posted before.
Here are some nice looking fanmade posters.

As for episode VII I hope Disney's involvment won't mean censorship... And I don't think we ll see the Yuuzhan Vong beings being introduced. But would be a great idea to see some ghost appearances of fallen siths. I also waskinda disapointed on the space galactic battles in episode III which was way to short IMO. I would ve loved a bigger scale battle like the death star one in an upcoming sequel.
Also hope they will introduce or have more non human species having bigger roles and being more involved. I had the impression in the previous SW that only the best jedis were humans...excepted Yoda, some like kit fisto, ki adi mundi and all the council members.
I pray for JJ Abrahams to bring the magic of the first trilogy with those tales of space western atmosphere and creepy industrial feel of the empire. Maybe they will introduce darj jedis of some sort but starwars is not only about jedis and siths...

 

[jme3]

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This has a nice vibe to it...

 

[Psab keel]

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I want to see really cool space battles/ dog fights!

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I want to see really cool space battles/ dog fights!

None of that Jango Fett-flying-through-an-asteroid-belt-kind-of-nonsense-space-battle, but a real, stare-down, ship-to-ship kind of thing... Me too!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

None of that Jango Fett-flying-through-an-asteroid-belt-kind-of-nonsense-space-battle, but a real, stare-down, ship-to-ship kind of thing... Me too!

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ROTJ had the best space battle of all of them IMO. So impressive and you always had your bearings.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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This has a nice vibe to it...

Was posted earlier in the thread as a lens flare joke. :lol

 

[jme3]

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Was posted earlier in the thread as a lens flare joke. :lol

Coming from the sabre... It could be believable!

 

[Psab keel]

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Jango's was more of a space chase, as was Anakin and Obi-Wan in Ep. III. They didn't really fight anyone. Anakin flying in Ep. I was more of a space chase too. Plus he didn't even pilot the ship for a lot of it anyway, it was on auto pilot and accidentally blowing up the droid control ship. So much for being the best pilot in the galaxy. What a load of ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqKQuJFxz_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHa2KNIpZY
There is one for ROTJ, but I can't find it.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Plus he didn't even pilot the ship for a lot of it anyway, it was on auto pilot and accidentally blowing up the droid control ship. So much for being the best pilot in the galaxy. What a load of ****.

That always bugged the hell outta me. :lol

 

[Psab keel]

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:lol

It cracks me up that I still get worked up over these things. haha