Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[aeonpulse]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I absolutely loved the first two seasons of Clone Wars, but I've always been a huge fan of Genndy Tartakovsky. I never bothered watching any of the following seasons, simply because I didn't care for the 3D animation.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That actually sounds half interesting. My view of Anakin was always that he should be a guy who was a hero, committed to peace, but torn up by the war and the cost of it. He came to believe that peace MUST be enforced by any means necessary, even if that meant terror or using a weapon of mass destruction to FORCE peace. If it would lead to the greater good of order and stability in the Galaxy, he'd do it. And ultimately, it's that attitude, the "by any means necessary" attitude, that leads him to evil. Not "Wah, I have attachment issues."

If that's the case, then the real shame will be that the films will never perfectly link up with the cartoon. Kids will see Anakin the hero who is willing to do bad things for the greater good....turn into Anakin the petulant child who wants what he wants when he wants it.

Well, the series takes place between II and III so Yippee!Anakin and He'sHoldingMeBackAnakin are in the rear view mirror. In the series he is more mature, and has grown a lot during the past 5 seasons. The goal of CLONE WARS is to bring his character right into the events and the Anakin of EpIII and they are doing an amazing job making him both likable as well as an undercurrent of being a loose cannon. There have been moments in the series where you can see him brush up against the Dark Side and they will sprinkle in Darth Vader's March music and it's chilling.

 

[Psab keel]

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The Gendy Tartovsky Clone Wars cartoon I absolutely loved. Though I wasn't crazy about the style of animation, it grew on me, and the stories didn't seem to conflict with what was established in the PT.

The 3D cartoon is a joke to me. The main reason being that they can't even follow the continuity of the Prequel trilogy.

Anakin won't be given the rank of Master in ROTS, and yet they give him an apprentice only a few years before that during the Clone Wars? How does that make any sense at all? What does the rank of Master even mean then?

Obi-Wan communicates with Qui-Gon (who is a force ghost) during the Clone Wars, and yet Obi-Wan is shocked when Yoda tells him at the end of ROTS that Qui-Gon's spirit has survived. Yoda will then teach Obi-Wan how to commune with Qui-Gon. Does Obi-Wan have amnesia? Do the writers of the Clone Wars cartoon have amnesia?

I'm sure there are interesting moments, and possibly even new characters that might strike a chord with people, but when there are major gaps in basic logic I have a hard time getting into a story.

I guess that's why I had so many issues with the Prequels themselves. At least if the story basics were clear I could have enjoyed them.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yeah, if you can't move past things like that and enjoy the story, then I suppose this won't be your cup of tea. I tend to not be so draconian in my view of STAR WARS continuity, I enjoy the EU and accept it's not cannon at all. I just enjoy watching new, creative, and interesting STAR WARS stories. Not worrying when Anakin get's what title or who taught Qui Gon to see Force ghosts is liberating. Let's face it, these are minor elements of the greater narrative, a little perspective.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

My kids love the series. I've only seen a few episodes and it's not bad but not really for me.

Anakin is definitely portrayed a lot more like the character should be though. I'll give them that.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I absolutely loved the first two seasons of Clone Wars, but I've always been a huge fan of Genndy Tartakovsky. I never bothered watching any of the following seasons, simply because I didn't care for the 3D animation.

Those Clone wars I thought were great, I loved the animation, and the stories. I was under the impression that the Clone wars (3D) series is considered canon, or is it only the 6 films that are "canon"?

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Those Clone wars I thought were great, I loved the animation, and the stories. I was under the impression that the Clone wars (3D) series is considered canon, or is it only the 6 films that are "canon"?

Apparently there is an internal LucasFilm distinction between G-level cannon, the films, and T-Level cannon, which is TV and only includes the CLONE WARS at this point. Then there is the EU.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Apparently there is an internal LucasFilm distinction between G-level cannon, the films, and T-Level cannon, which is TV and only includes the CLONE WARS at this point. Then there is the EU.

:lol OK I can't keep it all straight so I'll just enjoy it :thumbsup

 

[cboath]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well, the series takes place between II and III so Yippee!Anakin and He'sHoldingMeBackAnakin are in the rear view mirror. In the series he is more mature, and has grown a lot during the past 5 seasons. The goal of CLONE WARS is to bring his character right into the events and the Anakin of EpIII and they are doing an amazing job making him both likable as well as an undercurrent of being a loose cannon. There have been moments in the series where you can see him brush up against the Dark Side and they will sprinkle in Darth Vader's March music and it's chilling.

To bad his maturity never made it to the big screen. TPM Anakin was more mature than the one in AOTC and ROTS

 

[hankey01]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The way he turned to the dark side was ridiculous. A lie and trick by the Emperor. He should have been wise..and dabbled with but struggled to avoid the power of the dark side. Possibly a choice to NOT give in to his temptation should have lead to Padme's death, at which time he vows to embrace the dark side of the force...which, combined with his grief, consumes him.

 

[niennumb1]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Dang there's already a concept figure out for Han Solo's new outfit:

Collectible Formative International Male Barbie Doll Black White Yellow Outfit 2 | eBay

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The way he turned to the dark side was ridiculous. A lie and trick by the Emperor. He should have been wise..and dabbled with but struggled to avoid the power of the dark side. Possibly a choice to NOT give in to his temptation should have lead to Padme's death, at which time he vows to embrace the dark side of the force...which, combined with his grief, consumes him.

Where they DID do well though is cultivating the relationship (at least compared to the OT). Anakin was befriended by Palpatine whereas the Jedi order (with the exception of Obi-Wan) was very distant and judgemental of him.

Don't get me wrong, he's still a whiney brat, but there was definitely more lead up to it than the one trick. There was even the moment of "who's the real bad guy" when Mace wanted to kill Palpatine right there and Anakin insisted on a due process.

Not a huge fan but you can tell there was at least some thought there.

 

[Timmythekid]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

This insight offers a sad commentary on the modern generation. The fact that kids of today might relate to Anakin is criminal, but not all that surprising. Think about it, what is Anakin? He's a whiney, petulant child who throws a tantrum every time he doesn't get his way. He wants the title of Jedi Master without actually earning it or understanding what it means to actually be a master. He lacks the maturity and wisdom of a master and would be qualified to teach nobody. He wants everything given to him and made easy for no other reason than it's what he wants and that's it. Sound familiar? We're several generations into kids who've been raised this way. They earn nothing but are given everything to create the impression of achievment without the chops to back it up. The U.S. ranks among the worst western countries in academic test scores but its students have the highest sense of self-esteem of any western country. They all think they're the best at everything when in point of fact, they rather suck. Doesn't matter. They THINK they're great. It's no wonder they'd identify with the character.

K, not sure where the end of that was going, but if their primary exposure to Anakin is CW (which it is, if for no other reason than there's a hell of a lot more Anakin than in the PT) he's not. He's cunning, given to brilliant insights, a bit of a rogue, powerful, cares deeply about his friends (which worls for him and against him as a tragic flaw), and is a superb warrior. He's everything he SHOULD have been in the movies. Oh, and thanks for the :darnkidstrying to paint all those "darn kids today on your lawn" as whining spoiled brats, totally not like in your day.

 

[Psab keel]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I wouldn't consider my view of Star Wars draconian by any means. I just like stories that make sense, and while no story is perfect, it drives me crazy when there are major pieces missing to what could work if the writing was thought out better.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if people enjoy the stories then that's all that matters. The fact that after all these years I still passionately debate Star Wars really does prove how much I love it. haha : )

And that's not to say that new stories can't be well done. I'm actually looking forward to Star Wars 7, 8, and 9!

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The fact that after all these years I still passionately debate Star Wars really does prove how much I love it. haha : )

Amen to that! :lol

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Amen to that! :lol

Agreed. :thumbsup

But you do have to admit Anakin's rank and when he becomes a Master is a little inside baseball. I doubt a lot of casual fans bat an eye at stuff like that, that was my point.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Where they DID do well though is cultivating the relationship (at least compared to the OT). Anakin was befriended by Palpatine whereas the Jedi order (with the exception of Obi-Wan) was very distant and judgemental of him.

If I'd been in his shoes I know which way I'd've likely turned. The Jedi were not only distant, some were outright hostile at times. Mace Windu, at least insofar as Sam Jackson's facial expressions would suggest, had disdain for Anakin from the start. I was hoping Anakin would have killed Mace himself...

 

[Monkey67]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Woot! Kill that mutha f'er..mace was so stupid all together. Best sword master??..please the only thing he best was a pistol shooter. The whole Jedi counsel was just a big poop stain on the galaxy underwear.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Woot! Kill that mutha f'er..mace was so stupid all together. Best sword master??..please the only thing he best was a pistol shooter. The whole Jedi counsel was just a big poop stain on the galaxy underwear.

:lol

Not exactly the way I would have put it... But ya, pretty much.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

please the only thing he best was a pistol shooter.

And pleading to GL for a spot in the new prequels.

Let's hope that the new management can spot a poser from ten parsecs away...