Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

Have you noticed that much of the modern world looks less "used" these days, as it is? I think, in that sense, that slick designs kind of fit, in terms of tapping into the cultural zeitgeist. We buy new products every five years or so. (Every two if you're talking about phones.) Whereas many of the weapons in the OT were partially made of wood, and/or were all conventional designs -- including many rifles that weren't even "in-line" designs, we now have a real world where half of the rifles are compact in-line assault rifles, and the other half are bullpup designs.

It's a different world we live in from the one that existed in 1977, and from the supply of props from which 1977 filmmakers drew to make their fantasy world. So, I'm ok with sparkling white tacticool F-11Ds, because, in a way, they kind of take the same development track as weapons in our world did from WWII/Cold War era to the present.
 
The McQ art is as much Star Wars as anything else is. The fact that they drew heavily from the McQ art IS going back to Star Wars. It's going back to it's roots. Going back to what made Star Wars look like Star Wars in the first place.


This is true. I realize that they are trying to go back to their "roots" but that doesn't mean nostalgia. They can easily keep the spirit of the original trilogy AND expand upon it.

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Have you noticed that much of the modern world looks less "used" these days, as it is? I think, in that sense, that slick designs kind of fit, in terms of tapping into the cultural zeitgeist. We buy new products every five years or so. (Every two if you're talking about phones.) Whereas many of the weapons in the OT were partially made of wood, and/or were all conventional designs -- including many rifles that weren't even "in-line" designs, we now have a real world where half of the rifles are compact in-line assault rifles, and the other half are bullpup designs.

It's a different world we live in from the one that existed in 1977, and from the supply of props from which 1977 filmmakers drew to make their fantasy world. So, I'm ok with sparkling white tacticool F-11Ds, because, in a way, they kind of take the same development track as weapons in our world did from WWII/Cold War era to the present.


Maybe your world does. But his one is very different. I'll bet of you go to Somalia, it doesn't look all that new. Most of our world is in poverty. Messy, cluttered, war-torn poverty.
 
I think it's both a wonderful tribute and effective use of using what informed the OT visual style to use Ralph's work. I bought The Art of Star Wars when it was first released in 1979 and it opened up a world of wonder for me. Same with the McQuarrie folio of individual paintings, I had no idea that's how movies were made.
 
This is true. I realize that they are trying to go back to their "roots" but that doesn't mean nostalgia. They can easily keep the spirit of the original trilogy AND expand upon it.

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Maybe your world does. But his one is very different. I'll bet of you go to Somalia, it doesn't look all that new. Most of our world is in poverty. Messy, cluttered, war-torn poverty.

Yeah, but Disney isn't selling Star Wars to Somalia.

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Also, I think they got the "lived in" look perfectly down for a number of aspects in the movie. The look of Jakku, Maz' smuggler's haven (or whatever it was), Han's cargo ship, the Falcon itself, there was plenty of "lived in" designs. The fact that the two major military forces are using actual modern-looking weapons makes perfect sense to me.
 
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I think the more modern Star Wars concept drawings miss the boat at it's core. In the modern Star Wars concept art that I've seen, it looks like they are trying to just copy the McQ art and put a modern twist on it. I think they should do what McQ and GL did when Star Wars was first conceptualized and pick out certain themes to blend together ie: Modern scuba diving and military equipment, then mix that with old-west, scifi, and samurai era dress. I think blending those themes will give you a better image of Star Wars than just trying to reproduce Star Wars over and over again. Just my opinion.
 
I think the more modern Star Wars concept drawings miss the boat at it's core. In the modern Star Wars concept art that I've seen, it looks like they are trying to just copy the McQ art and put a modern twist on it. I think they should do what McQ and GL did when Star Wars was first conceptualized and pick out certain themes to blend together ie: Modern scuba diving and military equipment, then mix that with old-west, scifi, and samurai era dress. I think blending those themes will give you a better image of Star Wars than just trying to reproduce Star Wars over and over again. Just my opinion.


I totally agree.
But simply filling the screen With Mcquarrie's unused designs is going to dry up the well quite quickly.


And the "new" ships in TFA missed the boat completely. They looked like ships that a guy made while sitting at a computer. Not someone who collected shapes from the real world and used them as inspiration
 
I totally agree.
But simply filling the screen With Mcquarrie's unused designs is going to dry up the well quite quickly.


And the "new" ships in TFA missed the boat completely. They looked like ships that a guy made while sitting at a computer. Not someone who collected shapes from the real world and used them as inspiration

I actually really liked the TK transport ships being a redesign of WWII transport boats. I think those borrow concepts from the right areas. And I really liked Kylo's command ship. The shot of that thing breaking through the smoke of the burning village was super ominous. I was sold with just that shot. I can't say I was a fan of the resistance ships though.
 
I totally agree.
But simply filling the screen With Mcquarrie's unused designs is going to dry up the well quite quickly.


And the "new" ships in TFA missed the boat completely. They looked like ships that a guy made while sitting at a computer. Not someone who collected shapes from the real world and used them as inspiration
Most of the force awakens was an exercise in keeping the older fans happy by not introducing too much new designs , by keeping production grounded in what we know already and moving forward only slighty with design

I think that kylo ren ship actually does look like a scratch built vessel, up close there are parts that definitely are aiming for the scratch built model look

i agree. The rebel ship and hans freighter are very vague designs really , not worth screen time , these would be background ships in any other franchise . But my guess is this film was to be restraint overall, like the indrawn breath before the action really happens . It's main goal was the reintroduction of known and unknown characters in a story that would bring three generations of Star Wars fans together and funnel them forward into the future .

one person who I don't think gets enough credit are the other visual and concept artists involved in Star Wars . For the originals while Macquarie certainly brought Lucas ideas into reality joe Johnston must get a lot of credit for turning these concepts into solid workable designs that could be practically built as full size sets and miniatures .
i would love to see more interviews with joe about the process he took during Star Wars and the guidance he gave the ILM crew from a design perspective
 
Wow, Star Wars did $700M in merchandise sales in 2015 according to a report just now in CNBC, more then Jurrasic World, Minions, and Avengers...combined.
 
Really?

Oh lord.


So it comes down to the bread. The expandable bread is officially the only creative design idea in this movie

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Well just because something came from McQuarrie's original concept art, that doesn't make it non-creative.

Personally, I think that given that the production team wanted to give us something that felt familiar--while also not wanting to just reuse the exact same things we've seen before--is accomplished perfectly by utilizing McQuarrie's old designs. Besides, many of us loved those concepts, and it's good to see them finally being used in Star Wars... wouldn't you agree?

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Thats worth one half portion! :)

One quarter portion.

They were one half portion yesterday. ;)
 
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I totally agree.

And the "new" ships in TFA missed the boat completely. They looked like ships that a guy made while sitting at a computer. Not someone who collected shapes from the real world and used them as inspiration

We really didn't get that many new ships in this... a handful at best. Most were refinements of ones we've already seen.

X wings
Tie Fighters
Star Destroyers
The Falcon

Even Ren's shuttle is rather like the Tydirium, apart from a wing refinement.
 
The McQuarrie designs were "concept art" in it's truest sense. They showed the basic shapes and ideas he rendered from input from Lucas and his own mind. They stand alone in the concept art context and are appreciated as such. After they were approved by Lucas, they went to the builders and matte artist, etc. who added their own artistic take on the original sketches and paintings. Then, after Lucas approved those pieces, they made it onto the screen. A lot of revision went on during approval/build/filming, so it stands to reason there would be differences between concept and screen.
 
I actually really liked the TK transport ships being a redesign of WWII transport boats. I think those borrow concepts from the right areas. And I really liked Kylo's command ship. The shot of that thing breaking through the smoke of the burning village was super ominous. I was sold with just that shot. I can't say I was a fan of the resistance ships though.

For all that people gripe about tying everything together, I would like to see the landing craft in ANH SE, Rebels (which uses the same design as ANH SE), TFA, and Rogue One to be an evolution of this design from Clone Wars:

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One thing that show had was good ship designs. This one feels like an assault lander from the people who also would later bring us the Lambda class as more utilitarian personnel/cargo transport. And that's the sort of continuity of design I expect from a large military bureaucracy. For all their differences, the Bradley and HMMWV look more like the Jeeps they succeeded than they do a Ford Focus or Chevy Malibu or Dodge pickup. So when I see the new landing craft design that's being used in both TFA and Rogue One, all I can think is "right functionality, wrong look". They could have achieved the same result and impact with an evolved version of the above design -- sweeping low across the desert under cover of night, rapid-deployment landing with the ramp dropping on touchdown and the troopers... well... storming out. It just would have felt like an Imperial design, rather than something that could have also been in Johnny and the Bug-Men (what I call the Starship Troopers movie, to distinguish it from the book it in no way resembles).

In general I'm liking the use and appearance of the old concept art in Rebels and TFA -- even where unintentional (they didn't realize they were echoing Ralph's X-Wing design -- with the split-circle engine intakes -- until after the fact, although the scissoring wings is new). They tend to be using designs that are appropriate to the venue. Like how the proto-Fett helmet has shown up in Clone Wars (and The Force Unleashed, at least the PS2 version -- but that's non-canon) for a probably-Mandalorian character. I'm still holding out hope that, because of the Imperial Academy on Mandalore, we'll see white Imperial Commando Mandos in what we recognize as the Supertrooper pre-production costume.

About the only place it's fallen flat for me is the use of only TIE Fighters in TFA. Having some basic Fighters for picket duty and escorting the landing craft and such? Fine. Makes sense. Establishes the connection back to the original film. But there needed to be some variants beyond a super-spiffy basic Fighter. Part of what made the Interceptors better was the elimination of the blinkers effect on the pilot by cutting those deep notches out of the wings. Going back to the old-style wings is a definite step backward in terms of dogfighting capability. I would have been even happier if the Special Forces TIES were Phantoms:

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...or Avengers:

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One could argue that the Avengers would make the most sense, partly for the shields, hyperdrives, and enhanged weapons loadout compared to more standard-issue TIEs, but also thematically, as "avenging" the Empire is a lot of what the First Order is about. I think the audience would have been able to keep up. Especially if standard Fighters and Interceptors were around them to lend more context, as if they needed it.

I also keep hoping that the actual Imperial Remnant that didn't bug out for the Unknown Regions will show up and save the Resistance's bacon, and that that's where we'll see more familiar Stormtroopers and TIE variants. Plus, it has the benefit of not having been done before in Star Wars. Yeah the "stormtroopers" were good guys from when they first appear up until the last little bit of ROTS, but then they're bad guys all through the OT, and the First Order's version are even badder. So it'd definitely turn the way of things on its head.

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While waiting for a showing of "13 Hours" to start last weekend, I snuck into another theater showing SW.
I caught the scene where Rey is 'mind probed' by the Force for the first time. This being only the second time I've seen any part of the film, I now realize how Rey had a better grip on what was possible, based on what had been done to her earlier.
I didn't put 2 and 2 together the first time and I now agree it makes more sense to me for her to try it out on Daniel Craig's Stormtrooper...
 
This thread and comments like his not liking them using RMQ's work is even more proof they'll never please everyone. They get told to go more old school, they do and some complain it's too rehash, they do new stuff and it suddenly "It doesn't feel like SW" I just wanna facepalm it all. I don't know how these directors handle the pressure as insanely huge as it is.
 
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