Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

[annanake]

I am just saying what it seems to me the direction they seem to be going with things and keep getting told no impossible because I want this or that to happen.

O.K. then I will switch from what I think I see to what I WANT to see

Luke takes his saber trains Rey up a bit.

Snoke is some old diplomat who rose to power after the fall of the empire . why not?

We find out the reason snoke wants Luke killed so bad is Luke is his rival in the darkside and only went and found force sensitive kids so he could slaughter them. getting rid of potential problems in the future and to gain power in the darkside because he is a Jedi like his father before him.

Luke bring Kylo in on the plan as he is family and all and Luke needs an apprentice because for some reason you can't seize power in the darkside unless you have one .

snoke abandoned Luke at the Jedi Temple after acquiring whatever it was they were looking for and that is why Kylo regards snoke as so wise cuz he crawfishes ol Luke and siezes total power . snoke knows where Luke is and that planet was on the list of things to blow up with starkiller base.

Meanwhile Luke is trying to turn Rey like ol Palatine did to Anakin

Kylo or luke kills snoke when Luke returns and Rey escapes with her life as the lone Jedi to fight this new evil nobody saw coming .

Yes ending in a downer like ESB because I WANT it that way .

Is this gonna happen very doubtful but that is what I WANT to see happen !

Remember Luke became palptines apprentice in the EU by the way .

Yes Palatine rose from the dead . by putting his life force into a clone of himself.

Even though it has been stated the Sith can't do force ghost ?

I missed that one!
especially since the dark and light all came from the same source and only broke off in the great schism after the predecessors of the Jedi forbid use of certain force powers. All EU of course but always assumed that was supposed to be the cannon version of events as well .

But I don't keep telling you that you are completely wrong , and it is impossible because I don't WANT that. And I realize my WANT to see is slim to none at this point.

So you might want to see them get rid of the sith completely and expand the universe but I dont see them expanding anything very much so far, not even one cool new ship was added in TFA which has been a staple in every movie to some degree .


AND EWOKS TONS OF EWOKS EATING EVERYBODY :devil

 

[Wolfsburg]

I'm betting we will find out Snoke has been around since before the Sith came to be, and he's been pulling the strings from behind the curtain for a very very long time. He has a master plan that has involved all of the past bad guys but we have yet to see what the true endgame is.

That'd certainly be interesting!

 

[Solo4114]

Well that's the fault of the movie goer for not paying attention as far as I'm concerned. The point is he was mentioned. The Theron Nett analogy doesn't apply at all. That would be like thinking people must've been baffled when Jabba the Hutt appeared in ROTJ because he was only briefly mentioned twice (thrice?) before. Jabba was just a distant throwaway antagonist to Han until we finally meet him in the last movie (disregarding the SE). Again, I don't actually think they are planning for Snoke to be Plagueis but I certainly don't think it'd be an illogical, bad idea if he were.

That analogy isn't exactly right, though.

Jabba -- the character -- drives part of the action throughout the OT. Han leaves Tatooine running from Jabba and his goons, having almost gotten killed by one in the cantina. In ESB, he references that bounty hunters are still after him, and ends up captured by Boba Fett and taken back to Jabba, which, in turn, provides the action for the first half of ROTJ when everyone goes to rescue him. Jabba is an important character because his actions, desires, etc., have a direct effect on those of the characters we see, even before Jabba himself is seen. The same could be said of, say, the Emperor. Mentioned only in reference in the first film, but directing the actions we see. Visually introduced in the 2nd one and pulling Vader's strings. Then confronted in person in the third one.

Plagueis, however, isn't even really a character in the films, though, off screen or on. According to Palpatine, he's already dead (if he ever even existed -- Palps could've made the whole thing up, you know). Plagueis' abilities are discussed, but Plagueis himself isn't an actor or motivating force in the story. The story about him serves to lure Anakin to the Dark Side, but even that isn't really about Plagueis, so much as it is about what Palpatine learned from Plagueis and could teach to Anakin.

I'm trying to think of an analogous figure in the OT, and I actually can't come up with anyone. Most of the people referenced off screen (e.g. bounty hunter on Ord Mantell, dead Bothan spies, the Emperor, etc.) ultimately inform the action of the films in some way or another. Their actions -- although not seen -- have an impact. But Plagueis' actions don't happen because (A) he's freakin' dead already, and (B) it's not like specific things he does have any effect. It's more just that he learned to create life and extend life. And that's it.

I didn't even like the PT or follow it heavily but Plagueis was not something I had forgotten. It's one of the better scenes in the movie, imo. In fact, his ability to supposedly cheat death/create life and Palpatine's alleged knowledge of this power was one of the major points of the movie (in Anakin's quest to save Padme) so they really can't help if someone didn't pick up on an important conversation that was had and even if someone just completely doesn't remember, they'll be in for a treat when they discover he'd already been talked about before. I imagine if Snoke were to ever be revealed as Plagueis there would be some measure of exposition but not as much as would be needed if he were an all new character. I don't think he'd say 'Actually, I'm Plagueis' and leave it at that but the groundwork would already be there in some sense. We know he existed, we know he was Palpatine's master and we know he was greatly interested in life and death. Given that, it's not so implausible that it's taken him all this time since his murder to come back and clean up the mess his apprentice made or maybe going even further with it. No idea what his motivations are but there are plenty to go off of.

I just think that he's way too obscure for most people to remember. Not us, I mean. Most average audience viewers.

I'm betting we will find out Snoke has been around since before the Sith came to be, and he's been pulling the strings from behind the curtain for a very very long time. He has a master plan that has involved all of the past bad guys but we have yet to see what the true endgame is.

See, that's way more interesting to me. An unknown bad guy with an unknown agenda. Way more interesting than just another Sith lord.

 

[Wolfsburg]

I'm pretty sure Plagueis is canon and his own studies played a big role in ROTS, although Palpatine lied about his own knowledge of what Plagueis had discovered. It's true he didnt propel the PT in its entirety but the ramifications of what he was capable of was a big deal in ROTS. I think some of you are underestimating the audience and frankly even if the average movie goer doesn't remember him, it doesn't really matter, depending on how any potential unveil is handled. The discussion in ROTS turns into a nice little easter egg for those who can't remember him being discussed for whatever reason and a nice bit of foreshadowing for those of us that do. All they have to do is watch the movie again. While intriguing, to me they are going to have even more explaining to do if this is some guy no one had ever heard of that has been pulling the strings and just randomly decided to wait for centuries or more to reveal himself sometime after ROTJ for some reason. The potential is interesting but it'd have to be handled right.

Personally, I have wondered if he might be one of the infamous Whills but I'm not sure I ever envisioned any of them being evil...

 

[annanake]

im thinking at this point most of this should be on the pre release of ep VIII thread as that is what we are speculating mostly on now which is where I am going to go.

or better yet just take a break till say NOV 2017 LOL I don't think I can take a full two years of not being able to have an opinion unless it is sanctioned .

besides I got to figure how to get to the star wars ROTJ sand dune shoot location this weekend here in Yuma. on the 23 and 24 there having there gathering again of course the engine in my 4X4 just conked out 3 days before I need it to get out there :angry(
here are a few shots of last years great costumes not sure who took these they were on the invite for this years gathering most are not as professional as this its mainly kids and just people wanting to check out where part of ROTJ was filmed but with the new movie there are already a ton more people interested this year I just hope I can make it out .


P.S. Bobba Fett is fine I gave him a lift into town after he crawled out of the Sarlac pit back in the day lol :cheers

 

[robn1]

 

[Riceball]

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Seeing that pic reminds of something, which ski resort did they steal that thing in the background (to the left of Rey) from?

 

[annanake]

And besides, Bryan was right about just everything else up to this point, so I'm willing to bet Snoke isn't Plagieus either.

I did as I was asked and went back to check Bryan's predictions (you did not ask me he did.)
I agree his posts are spot on !


"Andy Serkis' character basically looks like an old man, zombie like, almost risen from the dead."


That is the very first description of Snoke.

Direct quote from the first line of the first link of the first post of the first star wars ep VII thread posted by the bry guy.


the very definition of what Plagueis would look like if it WAS him ?

I thank you though Kristen because you told me you're opinion and did not just tell me I wrong
Period.
that's what we are here for .

 

[AJTaliesen]

I am enjoying the speculation here...some interesting stuff. But the word "canon" keeps getting used.

one thing the movie industry has taught us over and over and over again in recent years: canon is canon, until it's not.

Traditionally studios consider "canon" to be slightly less sacred than the gum they scraped off the bottom of their shoes on their way out of the parking lot. Sure, it might stick for a while and even be a topic of conversation...but it's gone the minute it becomes convenient for them to scrape it off.

No one more so than Disney.

 

[annanake]

That's why it is called canon it can go off at any time. Leaving nothing but smoke, hot air and a lot of noise that will just leave your ears ringing if you listen to close.

 

[Jaitea]

And besides, Bryan was right about just everything else up to this point, so I'm willing to bet Snoke isn't Plagieus either.

Yes he was pretty much spot on.....although....like a fortune teller/medium you normally just remember the bits they get right,....if you read over the Ep 7 threads you will see there is a fair percentage predicted that was not

I'd score him 70% accurate,....if he would say 'could be' or 'might happen' instead of definitely it wouldn't be so humourous

J

 

[Wolfsburg]

Seeing that pic reminds of something, which ski resort did they steal that thing in the background (to the left of Rey) from?

That entrance to Niima Outpost is from old McQuarrie concept art for Jabba's palace.

 

[astroboy]

That entrance to Niima Outpost is from old McQuarrie concept art for Jabba's palace.

Really?

Oh lord.


So it comes down to the bread. The expandable bread is officially the only creative design idea in this movie

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[Bryancd]

Yes he was pretty much spot on.....although....like a fortune teller/medium you normally just remember the bits they get right,....if you read over the Ep 7 threads you will see there is a fair percentage predicted that was not

I'd score him 70% accurate,....if he would say 'could be' or 'might happen' instead of definitely it wouldn't be so humourous

J

What? Come on man, at least give me an 80%. Everything I "knew" was gleaned from reading all the spoilers and rumors, can't take credit for other people's work. The one thing I did predict based on what I was seeing was that the film was going to be terrific, and a major financial success.

 

[Jaitea]

What? Come on man, at least give me an 80%. Everything I "knew" was gleaned from reading all the spoilers and rumors, can't take credit for other people's work. The one thing I did predict based on what I was seeing was that the film was going to be terrific, and a major financial success.

YEP......that one was 100%

Ok.....Bryan scores 82%

J

 

[Bryancd]

YEP......that one was 100%

Ok.....Bryan scores 82%

J

Thats worth one half portion!

 

[Wolfsburg]

Really?

Oh lord.


So it comes down to the bread. The expandable bread is officially the only creative design idea in this movie

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How would McQuarrie's work be any less creative? Simply because he conceived it 30 years ago? I like they are bringing his unused concepts into the fold. Rebels does the same thing and it's basically the main thing I like about that show. Although I will say that newest trailer looks cool, minus Yoda chumming it up with Ezra...

 

[astroboy]

How would McQuarrie's work be any less creative? Simply because he conceived it 30 years ago? I like they are bringing his unused concepts into the fold. Rebels does the same thing and it's basically the main thing I like about that show. Although I will say that newest trailer looks cool, minus Yoda chumming it up with Ezra...

For me, it feels like they keep going back to the same well for water. I love looking at his old concept art. But it was just that. Concept art. It still had that old school slick sc-fi look to it. It wasn't until production that we got that fantastic "used" universe that was so attractive.

So whenever I see more 30 year old concepts put into the future of the galaxy it makes me feel as if Star wars is no longer in the hands of creative people.


I was so stoked that they kept so much under wraps for this movie. I was excited to see more when I went in the theatre. Heck, they had even produced toys of stuff that we had yet to see in an ad.

So when I saw that bread puff up it thought, "ohhh. now the wonder begins"

But it ended with the bread. We didn't even get to see those new walkers do anything. Kylo ren's shuttle still didn't make sense and the only "new" ship was that flying Hallway that leia showed up in.


Other than BB-8, the bread felt like the only magic in the movie.



That all being said, I loved the characters. I wouldn't change them for the world. And I'm excited for the next one.

But I don't want to JUST be excited for the next one. I want to watch this one over and over again. But I probably won't.

 

[joshvanrad]

The McQ art is as much Star Wars as anything else is. The fact that they drew heavily from the McQ art IS going back to Star Wars. It's going back to it's roots. Going back to what made Star Wars look like Star Wars in the first place.

 

[Wolfsburg]

For me, it feels like they keep going back to the same well for water. I love looking at his old concept art. But it was just that. Concept art. It still had that old school slick sc-fi look to it. It wasn't until production that we got that fantastic "used" universe that was so attractive.

So whenever I see more 30 year old concepts put into the future of the galaxy it makes me feel as if Star wars is no longer in the hands of creative people.


I was so stoked that they kept so much under wraps for this movie. I was excited to see more when I went in the theatre. Heck, they had even produced toys of stuff that we had yet to see in an ad.

So when I saw that bread puff up it thought, "ohhh. now the wonder begins"

But it ended with the bread. We didn't even get to see those new walkers do anything. Kylo ren's shuttle still didn't make sense and the only "new" ship was that flying Hallway that leia showed up in.


Other than BB-8, the bread felt like the only magic in the movie.



That all being said, I loved the characters. I wouldn't change them for the world. And I'm excited for the next one.

But I don't want to JUST be excited for the next one. I want to watch this one over and over again. But I probably won't.

Eh, to each their own I guess...