Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Post-release)

[Bryancd]

The Sith were actually supposed to be a race of people that the dark Jedi conquered and therefore became there masters becoming Lords of the Sith .

My only point being it would be ridiculously strange that they are meticulous about the music and themes then just copy the Plagueis music for a new character makes no sense .

And the " proof" that snoke just showed up one day, unknown to all and took over the remanents of the empire is from people who are not allowed to reveal details of the movie. so of course they are not gonna admit anything whstelse could they do .
And as usual opinions that's why we're here


Confirmed you keep using that word I don't think it means what you think it means lol

It has also been confirmed in the canonical printed material that Snoke has been around for as long as Yoda, He saw the rise and fall of the Empire. He also was involved in the political scene of the New Republic, influencing Senators. Leia and Han know exactly who he is. So he has a backstory, although still vague. And he's not a Sith, how could he be, Sidious would have destroyed him, and he's not Plageuis.

 

[annanake]

Hey does anybody know if the Jedi and Sith Manual like books that were released in the mechanical Sith holocron pyramid thing and that cool grey Jedi box dohicky thingamabob are still canon?
they explained the past of both sects . they came out and seemed connected to the clone war cartoon with all the notes by anakin and Asoka or Ahsoka whatever her name was ( I liked her she figured out the Jedi were full of B.S.)

 

[Bryancd]

Hey does anybody know if the Jedi and Sith Manual like books that were released in the mechanical Sith holocron pyramid thing and that cool grey Jedi box dohicky thingamabob are still canon?
they explained the past of both sects . they came out and seemed connected to the clone war cartoon with all the notes by anakin and Asoka or Ahsoka whatever her name was ( I liked her she figured out the Jedi were full of B.S.)

No...but as there is no story reason yet to contradict them, then maybe. Disney vacated all material around and post the OT era and has said ONLY things they have published since the acquisition are canon. BUT, as they have yet to delve into the PT or pre-PT era, those stories and tales can still inform as long as they don't contradict the current story being told. But officially NO.

 

[annanake]

It has also been confirmed in the canonical printed material that Snoke has been around for as long as Yoda, He
saw the rise and fall of the Empire. He also was involved in the political scene of the New Republic, influencing Senators. Leia and Han know exactly who he is. So he has a backstory, although still vague. And he's not a Sith, how could he be, Sidious would have destroyed him, and he's not Plageuis.

That is funny you just described Plagueis perfectly .

Supossedy Sidious distroyed him ( or thought he did) the day before he was supposed to reveal Plagueis ( or whatever his non Sith name was Snoke perhaps?) as his mentor and right hand man( secret master) to the Senate he kept him up practicing his speech making sure it was to his masters liking and then force lightning'ed him to death when he fell asleep listening to him drone on and on practicing the speech.

And what was Plagueis the only Sith to do again??

Oh yeah conquer death !

 

[Zombie_61]

I think the big thing I'm hoping for is finding out Kylo and Snoke are NOT sith but something new.

I don't really care if they're Sith or not. I'm just hoping Snoke is what they say he is and that he's not even remotely connected to any of the previous characters we've seen or heard of.

I actially was discussing this recently and confirmed with Pablo Hidalgo if the LucasFilm story group what you see falling is a piece of the weathervane Luke lands on. When you look down the shaft in Cloud City it's dark at the bottom, it's not open to the atmosphere, the implication is it has a physical bottom.

Yes, it does. Until that conveniently placed hatch opens that ultimately dumps Luke onto the weathervane.

Considering Luke, his lightsaber, and his former hand all fell down the same shaft, it would make sense that they'd all arrive in approximately the same location at it's lowest point, but that wasn't made clear in the movie. I'm hoping they don't even try to explain how it wound up in Maz Kanata's possession. Just let it be another mystery in the Star Wars saga, and leave it at that.

 

[Bryancd]

Well Maz does say it's a story for another time, so I bet it comes out, not in the films, but a book or comic.

 

[Wolfsburg]

My problem with the notion of Snoke being this all new, disconnected from everything, incredibly powerful figure is: Where the heck has he been all this time? Why has he only surfaced now (or relatively recently)? At least if he were Plagueis, the answer would be more readily understandable (trying to physically re-manifest himself from the ether of death or somesuch).

 

[Bryancd]

My problem with the notion of Snoke being this all new, disconnected from everything, incredibly powerful figure is: Where the heck has he been all this time? Why has he only surfaced now (or relatively recently)? At least if he were Plagueis, the answer would be more readily understandable (trying to physically re-manifest himself from the ether of death or somesuch).

That's part of the mystery the story group is creating. It will all be vetted. But it's not Plagueis.

 

[annanake]

I'm not hoping anything I'm just going with the story they give me .

In film !
not an interview in which they are required to reveal nothing about any and all secrets per there contract.

He could be reveled as Jar Jar Zui Quan Master for all I care.

But as I stated above Snoke and Plagueis back story = same/same

Theme= same/same

Egregious wounds ( face all melted looking/being " killed" by force lightning)
= same/same
Coincidence's of course they are

 

[Wolfsburg]

Well I hope whatever they come up with is good!

 

[annanake]

That's part of the mystery the story group is creating. It will all be vetted. But it's not Plagueis.

Its a mystery they are creating it now .

But its not Plagueis !

I love it.
I just love how you know the facts even before the story group is done creating it .

Is it like Edgar Casey sleep divining?
Or Nostradamus water divining?
Or do you have your Own techniques?

It is opinion man same as us .
the movie is not out , not filmed and not even finished being written yet .

 

[Halliwax]

i think if snoke has been around for 1000 years at one time he was probably a sith... i think the sith religion is now thrown out the window and extinct, because in all honesty the rule of 2 never worked. no matter what there is always a power struggle and either master nor apprentice trust one another...

i wouldn't be surprised if snoke is or was plagueis... knowing JJ we will probably never find out who he is

 

[Wolfsburg]

Well Hidalgo has apparently heavily hinted that he isn't Plagueis though that's currently still the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

 

[annanake]

i think if snoke has been around for 1000 years at one time he was
probably a sith... i think the sith religion is now thrown out the window and extinct, because in all honesty the rule of 2 never worked. no matter what there is always a power struggle and either master nor apprentice trust one another...

i wouldn't be surprised if snoke is or was plagueis... knowing JJ we will probably never find out who he is

The rule of two was implemented relatively recently in Sith history ( plus they never seem to actually follow it) so getting rid of it does not mean getting rid of the Sith religion. maybe the the completed training Snoke spoke of has becoming a Sith lord in it. Who knows these things ?
I think JJ is out of the writing loop now as well could be wrong .

 

[Zombie_61]

My problem with the notion of Snoke being this all new, disconnected from everything, incredibly powerful figure is: Where the heck has he been all this time? Why has he only surfaced now (or relatively recently)? At least if he were Plagueis, the answer would be more readily understandable (trying to physically re-manifest himself from the ether of death or somesuch).

Good point. Since Palpatine/Sidious referred to him as "Plagueis, the Wise" it would make sense that he has been laying low all of this time waiting and preparing for the opportune moment(s) to make his move(s).

On the other hand, Snoke could just as easily be a new character who's been doing the same thing--watching and waiting in the shadows, knowing the over-confidence of both the Sith and the Jedi would eventually lead to the downfall of both entities, at which time he could step up to take control, fill the void caused by Palpatines'/Sidious' elimination, and construct a new regime (i.e., the First Order) out of the ashes of the Empire.

I'm just growing tired of everything in the Star Wars universe having to be connected, related, or tied somehow to something else in the Star Wars universe. They did it in The Clone Wars, they're doing it in Star Wars Rebels, and it's getting ridiculous. Okay, The Force Awakens has established the connection to the previous movies; it's time to move on and find some new ground to cover.

 

[annanake]

O.k. what if we find out Snoke is Plagueis's force ghost ? We have only seen him in the blue tinted hologram anyway and that way Bry can still be technically right cuz he is dead .

 

[annanake]

Good point. Since Palpatine/Sidious referred to him as
"Plagueis, the Wise" it would make sense that he has been laying low all of this time waiting and preparing for the opportune moment(s) to make his move(s).

On the other hand, Snoke could just as easily be a new character who's been doing the same thing--watching and waiting in the shadows, knowing the over-confidence of both the Sith and the Jedi would eventually lead to the downfall of both entities, at which time he could step up to take control, fill the void caused by Palpatines'/Sidious' elimination, and construct a new regime (i.e., the First Order) out of the ashes of the Empire.

I'm just growing tired of everything in the Star Wars universe having to be connected, related, or tied somehow to something else in the Star Wars universe. They did it in The Clone Wars, they're doing it in Star Wars Rebels, and it's getting ridiculous. Okay, The Force Awakens has established the connection to the previous movies; it's time to move on and find some new ground to cover.

Another subtle hint I have bought up before the only two character's who the word wise was used for is Plagueis the wise as said by Palatine
And when Kylo defends Snoke to Han " No the supreme leader is wise"

Even though other characters are thought of as wise i dont believe they are ever referred to specifically in that way.except those two again another coincidence I'm sure .

They could go another way but so far the first order looks the same as the empire , the resistance looks the same as the rebels
And the not Sith looks just like the Sith.

 

[Bryancd]

O.k. what if we find out Snoke is Plagueis's force ghost ? We have only seen him in the blue tinted hologram anyway and that way Bry can still be technically right cuz he is dead .

He's not Plagueis. I do think it's funny how bent you get because I am confidant I my opinions. I have read all the new material, followed all the interviews, releases, seen all the Clone Wars and Rebels. I'm pretty well versed in universe and following the film production. I don't base this on nothing. But I still don't know who he is.

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Another subtle hint I have bought up before the only two character's who the word wise was used for is Plagueis the wise as said by Palatine
And when Kylo defends Snoke to Han " No the supreme leader us wise"

Even though other characters are thought of as wise they are never referred to specifically in that wasy i dont believe .except those two again another coincidence I'm sure .

Everything you keep bringing up has been debated already online, in podcasts, interviews. It's all old news.

 

[annanake]

He's not Plagueis. I do think it's funny how bent you get because I am confidant I my opinions. I have read all the
new material, followed all the interviews, releases, seen all the Clone Wars and Rebels. I'm pretty well versed in universe and following the film production. I don't base this on nothing. But I still don't know who he is.

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Everything you keep bringing up has been debated already online, in podcasts, interviews. It's all old news.

Because you describe Snokes back story to prove your point and then completly ignore the fact it Is exactly the Plagueis back story for one.

And as I stated before you don't post as a confident opinion you say thing like

"Yeah, there not Sith "

And

"Snoke is a NEW character "

Like you have the answer no reason to talk about it any further .
Just like your old news remark pretty sure it is current news for another year and a half when the movie hits the theater, and we still might not get the answer then !

 

[annanake]

Look you have corrected me a few times when I was completely wrong and I have accepted it with relative grace . all I am saying is I wish you would stop acting like you have script approval .