STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!

Bryancd said:
What the intent was in 1983 has to accommodate what is best for carrying forward the franchise in 2015. You can't be so pedantic in your story that it can't allow for new stories which may be somewhat different from what GL wrote so long ago. And to be STAR WARS and attract an audience, it needs lightsabers and the Force, therefore Rebel's needed Kanan and Ezra to ever appeal to kids.
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I don't know about the kid appeal agenda. I think it was much more steeped in the kind of story they wanted to tell in the series. As I reflect on what has already happened in the series, I think you need Kanan and Ezra in order to let the audience know what has happened with the Jedi and what type of struggles they continue to have under the Empire.
 
Bryancd said:
What the intent was in 1983 has to accommodate what is best for carrying forward the franchise in 2015. You can't be so pedantic in your story that it can't allow for new stories which may be somewhat different from what GL wrote so long ago. And to be STAR WARS and attract an audience, it needs lightsabers and the Force, therefore Rebel's needed Kanan and Ezra to ever appeal to kids.
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Yes. And can you imagine the disappointment on kids if there was no Jedi in Rebels. Kids are the main audience for this show. Yes us adults can enjoy it but my son has really taken to Ezra.Even parts where I'm like "meh",his eyes light up and thinks it's great.My guess is that maybe something will happen to Ezra and co and they may sacrifice for the greater good in the end. We will have to wait and see I guess.


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Mara Jade's Father said:
I don't know about the kid appeal agenda. I think it was much more steeped in the kind of story they wanted to tell in the series. As I reflect on what has already happened in the series, I think you need Kanan and Ezra in order to let the audience know what has happened with the Jedi and what type of struggles they continue to have under the Empire.
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That makes sense too.
 
Mara Jade's Father said:
Yes, but you can do that without Jedi. Spaceships, blasters, robots, and aliens... yep... kids hate those things. :lol

Although the Jedi storyline is not centerstage, it is very important to the core of the show. I think LFL learned their lesson with Jar Jar in ensuring story comes first.
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I'll even add it was imperative for the show to find the more casual fan audience. Jedi and lightsabers also accomplish that. It's what make SW special. We talked this though ages ago, Regardless, the inclusion of "Jedi", the Force, and lightsabers in Rebels was crucial from both a narrative standpoint and a commercial standpoint and was 100% the correct decision.
 
Only a commercial standpoint because adding them to the narrative it a better show and therefore a successful show (which equals more money). Not because it was the only way kids would watch.

I'm just so tired of the canned response people have to why things in Star Wars are developing the way they are...

"So kids would watch it."

"This way they could sell more merchandise."

"Because Disney made them do it."

And never a real legitimate reference to document it as fact.

Sorry for the rant. Just so tired of it.
 
seelsa73 said:
This just demonstrates my point.

So far, only once, and that was at a Jedi temple steeped in the light side of the Force.
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Well if your point is that I'm someone who doesn't think it's okay to ignore or warp what has already been established to try to shoehorn in some unnecessary storyline, then I'm glad to demonstrate it.

I don't care where or how Yoda did it, the point is he did. If you're just gonna make up your own head canon suppositions (ie: errr...Yoda was lying to Luke!), who's also to say where the limits are to Yoda's ability to sense others? It goes both ways.

To me it's not pedantic at all to adhere what was established before. I'm fine with new material as long as it doesn't mess with what has come before. The fact it came 30 years ago doesn't make it okay to ignore or arbitrarily change, as far as I'm concerned. I totally agree with Mara Jade's Father that Jedi and lightsabers are not imperative to attract an audience. There's plenty else to offer in the GFFA.
 
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Mara Jade's Father said:
Only a commercial standpoint because adding them to the narrative it a better show and therefore a successful show (which equals more money). Not because it was the only way kids would watch.

I'm just so tired of the canned response people have to why things in Star Wars are developing the way they are...

"So kids would watch it."

"This way they could sell more merchandise."

"Because Disney made them do it."

And never a real legitimate reference to document it as fact.

Sorry for the rant. Just so tired of it.
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No, nothing like that at all. But in numerous interviews and conversations with Dave especially making the show accessible to a new audience and a young audience was very much on their mind as Dave feels strongly that SW isn't for me at 47, it's for my 3 year old son. And his instinct is correct, therefore it is important to include the strongest aspects of the Universe. Because otherwise Wolfsburg is correct, from a straight narrative through line you could very well not have any Jedi in Rebels as to mesh better with the OT. But they choose a different direction and the show is better for it.
 
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Wolfsburg said:
Well if your point is that I'm someone who doesn't think it's okay to ignore or warp what has already been established to try to shoehorn in some unnecessary storyline, then I'm glad to demonstrate it.

I don't care where or how Yoda did it, the point is he did. If you're just gonna make up your own head canon suppositions (ie: errr...Yoda was lying to Luke!), who's also to say where the limits are to Yoda's ability to sense others? It goes both ways.

To me it's not pedantic at all to adhere what was established before. I'm fine with new material as long as it doesn't mess with what has come before. The fact it came 30 years ago doesn't make it okay to ignore or arbitrarily change, as far as I'm concerned. I totally agree with Mara Jade's Father that Jedi and lightsabers are not imperative to attract an audience. There's plenty else to offer in the GFFA.
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I don't know where they are going with the story, I'm simply saying that if they so choose they could use these types explanations to tell whatever stories they want and have it still be in line with what is already there at the surface level. My point is that refusing to allow storytellers to make any changes, no matter how miniscule, to your current understanding of the story as told originally, stifles the creativity of said storytellers and puts limits on what they can do to further the long ago history of this galaxy far far away.
 
It was 30 years ago with no reasonable expectation it would ever be revisited, so that is very much germane. George himself tinkered with his own established stories during CW, even he was up for flexibility and change.
 
Bryancd said:
No, nothing like that at all. But in numerous interviews and conversations with Dave especially making the show accessible to a new audience and a young audience was very much on their mind as Dave feels strongly that SW isn't for me at 47, it's for my 3 year old son.
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I'm from Missouri, the Show Me State.... so show me.
 
Mara Jade's Father said:
I'm from Missouri, the Show Me State.... so show me.
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Have fun listening to the back catalogue of Rebel Force Radio and a few other podcasts. :) How is it you aren't listening to these shows, they are really good, especially RFR, Dave is on frequently. Tweet him!

and a 5sec Google search found this one.

http://nerdist.com/dave-filoni-discusses-star-wars-rebels/

and this his is even better

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/24/star-wars-rebelss-dave-filoni/

you our know I love you, Jade, but do your own homework if you don't believe me. :)
 
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Bryancd said:
Have fun listening to the back catalogue of Rebel Force Radio and a few other podcasts. :) How is it you aren't listening to these shows, they are really good, especially RFR, Dave is on frequently. Tweet him!

and a 5sec Google search found this one.

http://nerdist.com/dave-filoni-discusses-star-wars-rebels/

and this his is even better

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/08/24/star-wars-rebelss-dave-filoni/

you our know I love you, Jade, but do your own homework if you don't believe me. :)
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If you make the claim. the duty to do the homework is yours, not mine. I doubt you wrote a paper for a class and when the teacher asked for your references, you said, "that's your job." :facepalm

Not sure what you see in those but they only seem to prove my point.
 
Mara Jade's Father said:
If you make the claim. the duty to do the homework is yours, not mine. I doubt you wrote a paper for a class and when the teacher asked for your references, you said, "that's your job." :facepalm

Not sure what you see in those but they only seem to prove my point.
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Yoy realize you are arguing with someone who agrees with you but I'm just pointing out obvious.

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When fans ask me, "Are you making it for kids?" I kind of chuckle and say, "Well, yeah, of course." And when they ask why, I'm like, "Well, how old were you when you saw Star Wars for the first time?" They're like, "Oh, I was six years old and I was at the Cornet Theater..." and I'm like, "Exactly."
 
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Bryancd said:
Yoy realize you are arguing with someone who agrees with you but I'm just pointing out obvious.

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When fans ask me, "Are you making it for kids?" I kind of chuckle and say, "Well, yeah, of course." And when they ask why, I'm like, "Well, how old were you when you saw Star Wars for the first time?" They're like, "Oh, I was six years old and I was at the Cornet Theater..." and I'm like, "Exactly."
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That's taken out of context...

Clone Wars had a big following obviously, with a lot of young kids. As you move to Disney XD, what's your target audience? Do you think you can still appeal to fans young and old?

I hope so, honestly. I had the same kind of target audience I did when I did Clone Wars, which I always described as "six to forty-six and beyond." The best compliment we ever got on Clone Wars was parents coming up and telling me that it was something they could watch with their kids. I really loved that. I felt that, to be honest, as we did Clone Wars it got so dark that we alienated a good part of the younger viewers which I think works counter to your purpose on a show like Star Wars.

When fans ask me, "Are you making it for kids?" I kind of chuckle and say, "Well, yeah, of course." And when they ask why, I'm like, "Well, how old were you when you saw Star Wars for the first time?" They're like, "Oh, I was six years old and I was at the Cornet Theater..." and I'm like, "Exactly."

The trick of Star Wars isn't that you're ever making it younger, ever. You would never dare dumb it down. It's just that you make a story that relates to people, and everyone across a large spectrum. If the characters are good, I think that will succeed. If not, you don't ever want to simplify things or make it silly. I want this to be visually stylized and not photorealistic but that doesn't mean at all that it's a simpler story or that we've dumbed things down.
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Why are you being so obtuse! Of course they want adults to like it! And those adults came into the franchise as kids. Therefore for the franchise to live on it needs to build that future audience!
 
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