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[Mara Jade's Father]

Much like yoda, I believe that Obi-wan went to tatooine to exile himself. His intent was to lay low until the time was right.

I think using "exile" in the case of Obi Wan may not be correct. I do think his intent was to lay low till the time was right but I do not know if he believed that to be short term or long term. Maybe he thought he was only going to have to wait a short time and that remaining Jedi would form some sort of counter attack. Maybe he thought in a few years he would be able to take Luke into training and in doing so, go to various locations.

And yes, I also see Obi Wan as a man that could easily get dragged back into things.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

While I agree the above supports your argument, it is vague enough to not disprove Obi Wan going on missions. The problem with the entry above is it has no real specifics. When was the great drought? How many years is "years".

Luke is roughly four years old in the "flashback" part that Obi-Wan's journal is chronicling for this issue. Given how the late pre-reset EU content was closely monitored by the Story Group, I think it's safe to assume from the specific things Ben says that seem to be hearkening to the Kenobi novel that the events of said novel are roughly presumed to have transired. Unless and until something says otherwise, that's what I'm going with. If so, then Obi-Wan stays on Tatooine and nearby the Lars homestead from the end or ROTS at least until luke is walking and talking and able to brazenly try to steal back the stolen water from Jabba's thugs. We still have fifteen years unaccounted-for, yes, but the further implication I get from the near-final scene in ROTS when Yoda and Obi-Wan are talking on Organa's ship is that he stays for the duration.

OBI-WAN: "I will take the boy and watch over him."
YODA: "Until the time is right, disappear we will... Master Kenobi, wait a moment. In your solitude on Tatooine, training I have for you..."

-- and proceeds to tell him about Qui-Gon and that he'll teach Obi-Wan how to commune with him. But the gist, as I take it from that and the new comic, is that while he may indeed get involved in stuff on Tatooine, he stays relatively close to Luke all the way through. "I will watch over him", "I had one job to do", and so on.

So I am 100% in the belief that Obi Wan had adventures between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, I simply believe that the possibility exists. This way if they do decide to do a movie about such adventures, I can understand that it does fall in well with the canon.

Perhaps... But what I sense from Kenobi and the new comic is the Story Group intends to at least keep him on Tatooine. I am so very not opposed to some sort of Yojimbo story set there -- it's in keeping with those offerings, has plenty of potential, and would also be an homage to Lucas' inspiration in Kurosawa's films -- which is also in keeping with the "looking back" approach they're taking at the moment. Unlike some I saw here and elsewhere, while some elements of Clone Wars got raised eyebrows from me, and some of the writing still makes me grind my teeth, I can accept the content as canon, even if I take issue with some of the presentation. I have tried not to forejudge what became of certain characters. All the possibilities of, for instance, what happened to Rex and Ahsoka...? Yeah, easier just to withhold speculation and see what they came up with. I trust Dave, and look what he's given us in Rebels. I like this outcome better than any I'd seen speculated on. Likewise, Ventress and Vos over in their book.

But one thing I don't anticipate is Obi-Wan shirking his one remaining task to go gallivanting off on some galaxy-spanning adventure. Whatever he does, wherever he does it, and whoever he does it with, all my money is on it being on Tatooine.

--Jonah

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Roger that.

 

[Riceball]

To me, it would make the most sense that Obi-Wan may have had an adventure or two after he settled down on Tattooine but I'd think that they'd be few and far between and he wasn't, as IP so aptly puts it, gallivanting around the galaxy doing good deeds and righting wrongs. After Order 66 the galaxy became a dangerous place for a Jedi, esp. one so well known to the chief hunter of Jedi, Vader. It would make the most sense for Obi-Wan to not go around drawing a lot of attention to himself, particularly by the time the Inquisitor corps is formed and active.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I bet the first line Of Obi Wan's journal says, "My life... from a certain point of view."

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

In both novel and comic, Ben is shown doing things subtly -- a little tweak of the Force here or there to make this component fail or that object slightly alter course. In the novel, before he put it away in his trunk*, he used obfuscating tactics like fire extinguishers to mask his use of his lightsaber, and only once or twice, where no one could see, used the Force in larger more obvious ways like lifting a dewback or a group of gangsters. The long and short of it is he knows he needs to lay low, but he keeps feeling compelled to help people who need it. That's why Yojimbo popped into my head. I spent a long time noodling good and evil, stripping away all the subkective valuations and relative moralities until I was left with something dispassionate and objective. Once upon a time, the universe began. Entropy has been increasing in it ever since. Not a bad thing -- just how reality works (at least this time around). One can either act to retard entropy or accelerate it, on whatever scale or scope one is able to affect. There's more, but those are the broad strokes. Ben's scope and scale have shrunk, but once he adjusts, I see him continuing to work just as hard to retard entropy in his little area of Tatooine, while not abrogating his prime duty. Too bad Luke has to stay with the Larses -- I'd love to see a Lone Wolf and Cub homage with Ben and Luke...

[* And taking it out of that trunk a few years later in the comic -- part of why I feel the events of the novel happened, even if the novel itself is currently Legends...]

--Jonah

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I think Obi Wan may have had "adventures" while on Tatooine, however I don't think it makes sense that he was having "adventures" where he's out waving his lightsaber all over the place. That would make absolutely no sense. You could help people and even covertly use the Force, but once you start igniting your lightsaber you might as well as for the Empire to come after you. Post ROTS, even the backwater people on Tatooine probably even know what a lightsaber means.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

In rebels, Ahsoka has white blades. Dave F. Did say that it was because she was not a Jedi or not following the Jedi ways or something to that effect. I just hope they don't use the term "Gray Jedi" in the new EU.

I missed this in all the Obi-Wan talk. I... really hope he fixes that. Lightsaber color has nothing to do with its wielder's "alignment". What does that say about the Jedi Temple Guardians with their yellow sabers? Are they halfway to being Sith? Or Mace Windu -- he never struck me as being more Jedi than the Jedi who had blue lightsabers. And does that mean Yoda's in the same "playing fast and loose" category as Qui-Gon and Luke? Does that mean Han's a Jedi since the lightsaber was blue when he used it to slice open the tauntaun? *sigh*

The explanation that best fits the observed phenomena in the films is that the more combat-oriented Jedi have more highly-tuned lightsabers, the process of which blue-shifts them. Similarly, the Sith most likely had to make do with inferior materials and no access to the high-tech controlled environment the Jedi have access to, and they're lower-frequency and thus red-shifted. The times in the OT that lightsabers have appeared silver can be written off as filmmaker error. I had hoped the big EU-reset would flush all the mystical manure that various authors tossed into the mix.

--Jonah

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I missed this in all the Obi-Wan talk. I... really hope he fixes that. Lightsaber color has nothing to do with its wielder's "alignment". What does that say about the Jedi Temple Guardians with their yellow sabers? Are they halfway to being Sith? Or Mace Windu -- he never struck me as being more Jedi than the Jedi who had blue lightsabers. And does that mean Yoda's in the same "playing fast and loose" category as Qui-Gon and Luke? Does that mean Han's a Jedi since the lightsaber was blue when he used it to slice open the tauntaun? *sigh*

The explanation that best fits the observed phenomena in the films is that the more combat-oriented Jedi have more highly-tuned lightsabers, the process of which blue-shifts them. Similarly, the Sith most likely had to make do with inferior materials and no access to the high-tech controlled environment the Jedi have access to, and they're lower-frequency and thus red-shifted. The times in the OT that lightsabers have appeared silver can be written off as filmmaker error. I had hoped the big EU-reset would flush all the mystical manure that various authors tossed into the mix.

--Jonah

http://www.starwars.com/databank/lightsaber-crystal

KYBER CRYSTAL (LIGHTSABER CRYSTAL)

At the heart of every Jedi lightsaber is a kyber crystal found on several planets, most notably the icebound caves of Ilum. This crystal is attuned to the Force, and connected to a Jedi Knight on a deeply personal level. In this way, a lightsaber is an extension of a Jedi's Force awareness. Because Jedi let the Force guide their selection of the crystal, the vibration that the crystal creates in the lightsaber blade helps Jedi center themselves and find balance in the Force. In this way, a Jedi can center his or her attention beyond the distractions of combat. A lightsaber crystal is colorless until first attuned and connected to a Jedi -- at which times it glows either blue or green, or in some rare instances, another shade. From that point on, it retains that hue.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Pfaugh. :facepalm I had so, so hoped that was gone. The most idiotic thing to come out of the EU and they kept it...? Why is there no headwall emote on here?

--Jonah

 

[astroboy]

Pfaugh. :facepalm I had so, so hoped that was gone. The most idiotic thing to come out of the EU and they kept it...? Why is there no headwall emote on here?

--Jonah

Good lord yes. Anytime they go into these insane rituals to find their personal crystal I gag. It's like they're trying to be Tolkien.

Why can't the lightsaber just be the preferred weapon of the jedi. Sure, they all have their own customized ones, but do they have to have some convoluted back story?

Are we to believe that after luke lost his on bespin, he went to that planet from the clone wars and went through the same crazy vision quest as the padawans? And that's how all lightsaber are created?

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[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Yeah I didn't really like the whole "go in there and wait for a crystal to speak to you..." thing. I always assumed that they just had them in the temple for them to use. Maybe some Jedi (Mace Windu?) found or were given special crystals that they then used.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I blame West End Games for the magic crystals in the first place. They misread the description in the original Star Wars novelization -- that was based on the prelim lightsaber design and not the final prop: A stubby handgrip containing an ultradense power cell, surmounted by a concave disc "barely larger than [Luke's] spread palm". The face of the disc was polished to mirror brightness, while the reverse was "dull, and studded with jewel-like controls". Somehow they interpreted that as the jewels being on the inside and somehow generating/focusing the blade. I have no problem with crystals or jewels inside the lightsaber... used for the same thing we use them for -- timing and regulating electrical impulses in the circuitry.

But nothing in the six films that predate Clone Wars or Rebels gives any indication of the workings, or even remotely implies a mystical element.

--Jonah

 

[Krull]

Hahahaha......now why do we need mystical crystals for the lightsabers? wouldn't a common crystal from around the galaxy that go a certain color based on whatever mineral is in it from whichever planet it's from do? and the Jedi use ones from their home worlds and that's why we have the colors? seems tidier then that crap posted above.

And it'd be funny if Sith ones were red because the main element from their home world was....sulfur.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

The color has nothing to do with something shining through a crystal, though. Lightsabers aren't optical phenomena, not lasers or anything like that. The only thing that exhibits all the effects shown in the OT (the real benchmark and precedent) is tightly-contained high-energy plasma. Lots of analyses by people with a lot of physics knowledge and too much time determined that the blade is spinning at near-lightspeed, and that the closer to or further from that speed limit represents the frequency (color) shift lightsabers exhibit. There's more, but I don't want to rattle on for paragraphs of bleeding-edge particle, quantum, and theoretical physics.

Suffice to say, lightsabers are nothing mystical to science nerds. We could build one today... but the blade would be very tenuous, the superconducting apparatus would be the size of a car, and it would take several daisy-chained power plants to run. The rest is just centuries of miniaturization and amplification. The only thing in Star Wars that completely has us buffaloed is artificial gravity (and the associated tractor beams).

--Jonah

 

[Riceball]

Suffice to say, lightsabers are nothing mystical to science nerds. We could build one today... but the blade would be very tenuous, the superconducting apparatus would be the size of a car, and it would take several daisy-chained power plants to run. The rest is just centuries of miniaturization and amplification. The only thing in Star Wars that completely has us buffaloed is artificial gravity (and the associated tractor beams).

--Jonah

There's that and then there's the whole hyperspace thing too. Hyperspace, so far, remains a thing of fiction; wormholes, space folds, and even warp speed are at least theoretically possible or at least how they could/would work in theory but nothing exists test for travel by hyperspace.


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[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

That's what I mean. We at least have conjecture about things like FTL travel or even the Force, but gravity still makes us shrug and go "I have no idea what this is, or how or why it's doing it."

--Jonah

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I think the reason is that they want the Lightsaber to be mystical and a rarity in the Star Wars universe. It takes a certain type of crystal and that these crystals are not common and that a crystal in some way syncs with the user. In TCW, if I remember correctly, the crystal chooses the user, not the other way around. This is the reason you don't see everyone using lightsabers. I think people like Dave F. want to ensure that there is a mystical quality to the Jedi. A lot of people freaked out with the midichlorians. They did not like a scientific reason why people could use the Force. Star Wars has been labeled Fantasy and not Sci Fi by many like Irvin Kershner so it does not have to be scientifically sound. It is up to the viewer to believe thing you see happen and not have to explain why.

 

[astroboy]

For me, the force is an incredibly abstract analogy toward religion. It's fantastic. It's a way of understanding the universe. It's great the way that there is no God or scripture for these jedi. (Yes, there is a code, but that's a very different thing)

But the whole crystal thing is just like midichloians. Are we saying that these crystals are tuned in of the force? Does that mean that jedi who have lightsabers are the only ones who can attune themselves to the force? The force is starting to seem more of a way of weaponizing people than anything.

Why can't lightsabers simply be the preferred weapon of the Jedi? That of a religion long gone.

In the same way we have moved towards guns and artillery, but a long time ago there were samurai.

Imagine a samurai leading a group of soldiers in the fight against ISIS. That is what the Jedi are supposed to be.

 

[Krull]

So if you aren't "tuned in" to the force you can't use a lightsaber? then how teh frak did Han barrow Luke's in ESB????

More sensible is nobody uses it because it's considered outdated,like how most people see swords nowadays....doesn't mean they can't kill you dead.