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[astroboy]

So if you aren't "tuned in" to the force you can't use a lightsaber? then how teh frak did Han barrow Luke's in ESB????

More sensible is nobody uses it because it's considered outdated,like how most people see swords nowadays....doesn't mean they can't kill you dead.

That's exactly it.

To me, everything we need to know about the force came from that dialogue between Obi-wan and Han aboard the falcon.

Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force
flowing through him.

LUKE
You mean it controls your actions?

BEN
Partially. But it also obeys your
commands.



HAN
Hokey religions and ancient weapons
are no match for a good blaster at
your side, kid.

LUKE
You don't believe in the Force, do
you?

HAN
Kid, I've flown from one side of
this galaxy to the other. I've seen
a lot of strange stuff, but I've
never seen anything to make me believe
there's one all-powerful force
controlling everything. There's no
mystical energy field that controls
my destiny.


HAN
It's all a lot of simple tricks and
nonsense.

BEN
I suggest you try it again, Luke.

This time, let go your conscious
self and act on instinct.

LUKE
(laughing)
With the blast shield down, I can't
even see. How am I supposed to fight?

BEN
Your eyes can deceive you. Don't
trust them.


BEN
Stretch out with your feelings.


BEN
You see, you can do it.

HAN
I call it luck.

BEN
In my experience, there's no such
thing as luck.

HAN
Look, going good against remotes is
one thing. Going good against the
living? That's something else.

It shows us that the Jedi are so far removed from civilization that no one even knows about them. They're part of the old testament. And the idea of using a sword in battle makes no sense.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

So if you aren't "tuned in" to the force you can't use a lightsaber? then how teh frak did Han barrow Luke's in ESB????

More sensible is nobody uses it because it's considered outdated,like how most people see swords nowadays....doesn't mean they can't kill you dead.

It's not about using a lightsaber, it is about your ability to acquiring/color of the crystal.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Why can't lightsabers simply be the preferred weapon of the Jedi? That of a religion long gone.

In the same way we have moved towards guns and artillery, but a long time ago there were samurai.

Imagine a samurai leading a group of soldiers in the fight against ISIS. That is what the Jedi are supposed to be.

Even the best Samurai could not deflect an onslaught of bullets and deflect them as a counter attack. If samurai (or anyone here on Earth) could do that, you might see more swords on the battlefield today.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Pretty sure Mythbusters disproved the whole "slicing/blocking a bullet with a sword" thing. Human reflexes and human muscles just don't move fast enough. Han called it an ancient weapon. Pretty sure most of the civilized galaxy prefers ranged weapons to melee for day-to-day use, and has for a while. But again, there was nothing mystical about lightsabers in any of the six films. Only once the cartoons started. I know they're canon, too, but the tone contradicts. There's more, but that's a rant for the Story Group and Dave, not y'all.

--Jonah

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Pretty sure Mythbusters disproved the whole "slicing/blocking a bullet with a sword" thing. Human reflexes and human muscles just don't move fast enough. Han called it an ancient weapon. Pretty sure most of the civilized galaxy prefers ranged weapons to melee for day-to-day use, and has for a while. But again, there was nothing mystical about lightsabers in any of the six films. Only once the cartoons started. I know they're canon, too, but the tone contradicts. There's more, but that's a rant for the Story Group and Dave, not y'all.

--Jonah

You need to re-read my post. I left out an important word... "not" which has now been inserted. It sort of change the whole statement. Sorry for the error and confusion.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Ahh... Seemed a strange thing to say. But yeah -- their Force-enhanced skills are the reason Jedi kept using them after the rest of the galaxy had figured out how to encapsulate the energetic plasma in magnetic packets and accelerate them to speed over distance (blasters). They're a badge, a symbol. One of the annoying things the Prequels dropped the ball on is what Yoda said in ESB -- a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack. Obi-Wan only pulled his in the cantina after negotiation had failed and two blasters were about to go off. Not enough time to finesse something with the Force, so... *shrug* Compared to the Prequels where the first thing nearly every Jedi does in a tense situation is light up. I far prefer the older context -- the notion that if you have to ignite and use your lightsaber, you've already failed.

It makes sense to retain what is essentially a defensive weapon (Vader's tricks aside, a lightsaber is hard to use over distance) as a symbol of your commitment to peace... but not pacifism. I know not everything in the novelizations is canon, but I treat the stuff that isn't directly contradicted by the films as "canon until proved otherwise", and I like Obi-Wan's commentary on lightsabers in the original Star Wars novelization: "They were once widely used. Still are, in some quarters of the galaxy." I liked all the EU stuff that maintained a big reason they fell out of use was the skill it took to use them well (and not slice off your own limbs). The cylinders on the back of Stormtroopers' belts were originally supposed to be lightsabers (and some content had Vader specially training units of Stormtroopers in their use, to help them hold their own against any rogue Jedi they found), plus there are the Shadow Guards from The Force Unleashed. I doubt any Force-attuning was involved in picking those crystals. I know it's not part of the canon, but it was part of the extant body of work when the new stuff came out, and it's annoying to see the new material contradict the old, especially when the old was more in line with the movies to begin with.

--Jonah

 

[Krull]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:there SHOULD be a race of people who not only use lightsabers but the force,both light and dark,in combination with modern weapons (blasters) and who do not follow a "peace above all else" mindset but are out and out fighters.

My thought is like Jedi are a cross between knights and samurai these people should be more akin to shinobi aka ninjas and maybe mandalorians although they have a habit of staying to themselves and opted out of the clone wars,also have a long history of distrust and dislike with the Jedi.

But hey we all know the only people in the SW universe is jedi and sith,also anyone who's interesting has the last name skywalker.....

 

[astroboy]

^that would be totally cool...

One of the reasons that I love kanan so much is that he isn't really a jedi. He learned from them until he was 13 and then they vanished. He continued completely untrained in a secular galaxy.

Him, like ashoka have the potential to be a whole other thing. They can use the force, but in no way are they jedi. In a way, luke is the same

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[Sluis Van Shipyards]

There was an EU series Coruscant Nights about surviving Jedi after Order 66. The one female Jedi was from an offshoot group that used other weapons along with lightsabers. She used blasters. She could use the Force and shoot, intercepting other blaster bolts with her own blaster bolts.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Looks like season 2 will kick off on 14 October.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/08/report-star-wars-rebels-season-two-to.html

It seems Star Wars Rebels Season Two finally has its premiere date! Our friends at The Wolfpack Podcaststumbled across a new 15 second teaser for Season Two on YouTube, revealing that the new season will kick off on October 14th. Unfortunately the video has been taken down, but our pals over at Rebels Reportwere able to get a few screenshots from it. Check them out below,

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

Oh, I am loving that screenshot...

--Jonah

 

[Solo4114]

Ahh... Seemed a strange thing to say. But yeah -- their Force-enhanced skills are the reason Jedi kept using them after the rest of the galaxy had figured out how to encapsulate the energetic plasma in magnetic packets and accelerate them to speed over distance (blasters). They're a badge, a symbol. One of the annoying things the Prequels dropped the ball on is what Yoda said in ESB -- a Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack. Obi-Wan only pulled his in the cantina after negotiation had failed and two blasters were about to go off. Not enough time to finesse something with the Force, so... *shrug* Compared to the Prequels where the first thing nearly every Jedi does in a tense situation is light up. I far prefer the older context -- the notion that if you have to ignite and use your lightsaber, you've already failed.

To be fair, in most cases in the prequels where sabres went up, you were generally at a point where some kind of violence was about to happen, regardless of what the Jedi did. I'm no fan of the PT, but I think the failure here is not in showing that Jedi attack first and think later, but rather that Jedi only ever seem to be in situations where you have to draw your blade. They didn't really give them enough situations where it really could go either way, and you see the Jedi talk their way out of it or at least try to resist violence. But again, that's more because of the types of situations that occurred in the story, not because the Jedi were depicted as choosing violence as the optimal solution to all problems.

It makes sense to retain what is essentially a defensive weapon (Vader's tricks aside, a lightsaber is hard to use over distance) as a symbol of your commitment to peace... but not pacifism. I know not everything in the novelizations is canon, but I treat the stuff that isn't directly contradicted by the films as "canon until proved otherwise", and I like Obi-Wan's commentary on lightsabers in the original Star Wars novelization: "They were once widely used. Still are, in some quarters of the galaxy." I liked all the EU stuff that maintained a big reason they fell out of use was the skill it took to use them well (and not slice off your own limbs). The cylinders on the back of Stormtroopers' belts were originally supposed to be lightsabers (and some content had Vader specially training units of Stormtroopers in their use, to help them hold their own against any rogue Jedi they found), plus there are the Shadow Guards from The Force Unleashed. I doubt any Force-attuning was involved in picking those crystals. I know it's not part of the canon, but it was part of the extant body of work when the new stuff came out, and it's annoying to see the new material contradict the old, especially when the old was more in line with the movies to begin with.

--Jonah

While that's an interesting idea, I'm cool with them not having been included. For me, one of the greatest failings of the PT and some of the EU stuff is that it so focuses on Jedi that it loses sight of the regular folks in the galaxy. People care about Luke's journey because he starts...like them. A nobody. Just a farm boy on a backwater planet of no real importance. His journey resonates with the audiences' own aspirations of becoming "somebody" or of discovering that they have unknown powers. But all of that only matters because he's a regular guy. Han Solo is also "nobody" in his own way. He's a small-time crook (arguably a drug runner, although the films aren't explicit about what "spice" is), who generally thinks of nobody but himself. He eventually becomes part of something larger than himself, something that really matters. But he starts as a regular guy.

I just missed that in the PT. There was nobody "normal" in it. All the heroes were superpowered monks or elected rulers. Really, the only "normal" person in the PT was the most annoying character in the entire franchise: Jar Jar.

Looks like season 2 will kick off on 14 October.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/08/report-star-wars-rebels-season-two-to.html



https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=b4b556a14b19c6f126a885dc2387b7dd&oe=567FB3AD

NOT SOON ENOUGH.

 

[Riceball]

To be fair, in most cases in the prequels where sabres went up, you were generally at a point where some kind of violence was about to happen, regardless of what the Jedi did. I'm no fan of the PT, but I think the failure here is not in showing that Jedi attack first and think later, but rather that Jedi only ever seem to be in situations where you have to draw your blade. They didn't really give them enough situations where it really could go either way, and you see the Jedi talk their way out of it or at least try to resist violence. But again, that's more because of the types of situations that occurred in the story, not because the Jedi were depicted as choosing violence as the optimal solution to all problems.

They sort of did, it's just that it primarily involved using the famous Jedi mind trick and when that didn't work, out came the lightsabers. And speaking of the mind trick, as cool as it is isn't a bit of a reprehensible trick? After all, is it really that decent and honorable to be messing with people's minds?

 

[Solo4114]

They sort of did, it's just that it primarily involved using the famous Jedi mind trick and when that didn't work, out came the lightsabers. And speaking of the mind trick, as cool as it is isn't a bit of a reprehensible trick? After all, is it really that decent and honorable to be messing with people's minds?

I haven't committed much of the films to memory, but my only recollection of a mind trick was Qui-Gon trying to mind trick Watto -- which didn't work, and which didn't then lead to violence either, but rather subterfuge.

That said, yeah, the mind trick is a bit...hmm...ethically grey. But then, that's kinda what I appreciated about Qui-Gon. I dont' recall seeing any other Jedi ever use it in the PT, except maybe Obi-Wan, which would make sense, what with being Qui-Gon's apprentice.

I think it's fine to use a mind trick under circumstances where not using it would be a lot worse.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I'll bring up the opening of TPM. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are sitting by themselves in the meeting room, doors closed. They sense the destruction o their ship and leap to their feet, sabers ignited... in the empty room with no threat in sight. A few moments later, they realize they're being gassed and shut down their lightsabers again. Pointlessly aggressive reaction. Given they had plenty of time to light up if the doors opened and someone tried to shoot them, why did they go with that for their first reflex? They also lit up before Darth Maul had. That movie pretty much set the tone of "slash first, ask questions later", which Obi-Wan and Anakin continue in AOTC. "I sense it, too" and the sabers go up, even before they start moving for the bedroom. Obi-Wan lights up as he charges out onto the landing platform, even though Slave I is already taking off.

George forgot the whole point of things shown in ESB -- where Luke lit up first against Vader, showing how he wasn't ready, still aggressive, etc. Not the restraint shown by Obi-Wan in ANH or Luke in the first act of ROTJ.

The mind trick is a good way to avoid bloodshed, so I have no problem with the morality o it to get out of a conflict. Less so for personal convenience. Much less keen on Luke choking Jabba's guards.

--Jonah

 

[astroboy]

Looks like season 2 will kick off on 14 October.

http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2015/08/report-star-wars-rebels-season-two-to.html



https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=b4b556a14b19c6f126a885dc2387b7dd&oe=567FB3AD

I have a question about that ship.

Is it supposed to be the same model as the tantive 4? It looks like a much smaller, compact version (which is what we saw at the end of episode 3) I've always been a bit messed up with the size of the tantive 4. Probably because it started off in concept as the falcon. On the studio model we see the holes for the escape pods on the bottom, but that doesn't gel with the actual size it's supposed to be, right?

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

It's a Pelta-class frigate. They first showed up in Clone Wars. As for size, it all works. Superimpose tiny R2 and 3PO on the escape pods on the filming miniature and see how it stacks up with the bridge window and general size...

I'm more annoyed they carried over the missing escape pods from the Tantive IV miniature to all the CG models. So, what, they're all at half-complement on their escape pods? :facepalm

--Jonah

 

[Riceball]

That's not a Pelta, they're sort of similar in the front but past the hammerhead front they're completely different. The most notable difference is that the Pelta has wings in the back, something the the Tantive IV doesn't.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

That's why I posted a picture of the Tantive IV miniature, as I was referring to the size of the escape pods on it. The Pelta is up there in the teaser screengrab MJF posted, and is the article I linked to.

--Jonah

 

[Riceball]

The screengrab ships look like the Tantive style corvette to me, the Peltas don't taper behind the hammerhead like the CR90 corvettes do and the lack the stacked engine design as well and is a bit larger too.