STAR WARS Rebels new animated series!
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Mara Jade's Father
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Looks like they found Darth Maul's brother
Uhh, they already found him... and killed him. :devil
What do you guys think? He's a Pau'an ( Utapau native) right?
Right there with you. I'm glad the events of the show are closer to ANH than they are ROTS. I was hoping for that, but I was also hoping the Empire's mission of the Jedi purge was pretty much over and they were content that they had eliminated them from the galaxy.
Oh well, these guys usually have much better ideas than I do.
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Mara Jade's Father
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14 years is fast? You are one patient person.
Ventress and Death Watch had no formal Jedi training and you can throw Grevious in there as well.
14 years is fast? You are one patient person.
Ventress and Death Watch had no formal Jedi training and you can throw Grevious in there as well.
It is fast. 14 years experience is nothing compared to any skilled Jedi who were around before that. Obi Wan was about 25 when he became a knight, so add 14 to that and even a young knight would be 39 at this time. Way more experience there. Picking off the lesser skilled Jedi isn't a problem. Dealing with Jedi Knights and Masters who were good enough to escape Order 66 is another thing. That's why everything up until now said Vader was personally tasked with that. Also Ventress did have Jedi training until her master was killed. After that Sidious taught her.
Mara Jade's Father
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http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/NYCC_2013_Star_Wars_Rebels_Presentation_154753.asp
Anakin had about ten years.
Didn't Anakin/Vader exist prior? And didn't he get beat by a farm boy with the amount of formal training that could almost be counted in months rather than years?
Ashoka was under the age of 16 (aprox) when she was offered knighthood.
And then their was Savage Opress. Still got to bring up Death Watch and people like The Fetts that didn't seem to shy away from facing and killing Jedi. No Jedi training at all.
I'm not saying the possibility doesn't exist that this guy has formal Jedi training, I just believe it is possible based on existing info.
Posted at http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/s...veals-the-inquisitor-talks-up-series-at-nycc/
Anakin had about ten years.
Didn't Anakin/Vader exist prior? And didn't he get beat by a farm boy with the amount of formal training that could almost be counted in months rather than years?
Ashoka was under the age of 16 (aprox) when she was offered knighthood.
And then their was Savage Opress. Still got to bring up Death Watch and people like The Fetts that didn't seem to shy away from facing and killing Jedi. No Jedi training at all.
I'm not saying the possibility doesn't exist that this guy has formal Jedi training, I just believe it is possible based on existing info.
Posted at http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/s...veals-the-inquisitor-talks-up-series-at-nycc/
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Wolfsburg
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As much as I tried, I just could not get into The Clone Wars. I thought it was just awful. I hated the art design and animation style, not to mention the "questionable" characters and plot lines they decided to introduce. Nevertheless, I've tried to keep an open mind regarding Rebels ever since it was first announced. In fact I really liked the notion that they would use Ralph McQuarrie's concept art as a major influence for the look of the show.
However, I have not been at all impressed by most of which has been revealed so far. Just looks like more of the same and this Imperial Inquisitor character is just dumb, both in concept and in the lazy design of the character itself. He basically just looks like a pale Darth Maul, complete with double bladed lightsaber. The Inquisitorius is actually not a new concept but up until now it's just been another bad EU idea. I hate to see this new show embrace it. I don't like the idea that anyone but Vader is tracking down and killing the remaining Jedi. Sure he's just one man, but he's still Darth Vader and he's had 20 years to do it. I always imagined that was what he was primarily tasked with doing until that pesky Death Star business came up. As far as I'm concerned, they just need to keep Filoni away from Star Wars because I've yet to see anything he's done that I've liked.
Btw, I never knew there was ever any question as to where a TIE pilot enters the fighter from? Lol!
However, I have not been at all impressed by most of which has been revealed so far. Just looks like more of the same and this Imperial Inquisitor character is just dumb, both in concept and in the lazy design of the character itself. He basically just looks like a pale Darth Maul, complete with double bladed lightsaber. The Inquisitorius is actually not a new concept but up until now it's just been another bad EU idea. I hate to see this new show embrace it. I don't like the idea that anyone but Vader is tracking down and killing the remaining Jedi. Sure he's just one man, but he's still Darth Vader and he's had 20 years to do it. I always imagined that was what he was primarily tasked with doing until that pesky Death Star business came up. As far as I'm concerned, they just need to keep Filoni away from Star Wars because I've yet to see anything he's done that I've liked.
Btw, I never knew there was ever any question as to where a TIE pilot enters the fighter from? Lol!
Edwardowan
Sr Member
Overall I'm still good with all of this. But remember, its a cartoon... Its a kids show... so let your inner child enjoy it!
I too would rather see Vader doing the hunt of remaining Jedi and perhaps as the story evolves he will but Its the way of the sith to seek power and overthrow their own master as told by Palpatine in the prequels and I always liked the idea that secretly maybe Vader too had an apprentice before he discovered Luke existed...
As for the style I'm also good with that.
I would have liked the stormtroopers to be a tad more screen accurate but being an artoo builder and seeing the clone wars version (which annoyed me at first) after a while became artoo through the eyes of a cartoon watcher and not only did I end up liking his new look two artoo builders actualy built "Clone Wars" full scale droids in this fashion and they are very popular with kids!
The Clone Wars Clone armor is also characterized but many build those versions of armor to troop in! I think those that didn't enjoy the Clone Wars cartoon and the stylized look just didn't grow up with Star Wars as I did (using my imagination in 1977 to re-enact because it was seen only a couple of times at the theater and then it was gone! no VHS or DVD) All we had was Kenner toys, the comic books and bubble gum cards to collect... so I can sit down now at the age of 46 and still watch these cartoons and totally get into it with my bowl of Cocoa Puffs! I am a fan of Filoni and love that he plays around and expands upon things while still being a bit OT centric. He added a lot of OT easter eggs and eye candy in the Clone Wars even for us OT fans... I find it amusing people love the EU but when Filoni adds any kind of new EU to SW: Rebels its suddenly a bad thing. :confused
I too would rather see Vader doing the hunt of remaining Jedi and perhaps as the story evolves he will but Its the way of the sith to seek power and overthrow their own master as told by Palpatine in the prequels and I always liked the idea that secretly maybe Vader too had an apprentice before he discovered Luke existed...
As for the style I'm also good with that.
I would have liked the stormtroopers to be a tad more screen accurate but being an artoo builder and seeing the clone wars version (which annoyed me at first) after a while became artoo through the eyes of a cartoon watcher and not only did I end up liking his new look two artoo builders actualy built "Clone Wars" full scale droids in this fashion and they are very popular with kids!
The Clone Wars Clone armor is also characterized but many build those versions of armor to troop in! I think those that didn't enjoy the Clone Wars cartoon and the stylized look just didn't grow up with Star Wars as I did (using my imagination in 1977 to re-enact because it was seen only a couple of times at the theater and then it was gone! no VHS or DVD) All we had was Kenner toys, the comic books and bubble gum cards to collect... so I can sit down now at the age of 46 and still watch these cartoons and totally get into it with my bowl of Cocoa Puffs!
I am a fan of Filoni and love that he plays around and expands upon things while still being a bit OT centric. He added a lot of OT easter eggs and eye candy in the Clone Wars even for us OT fans... I find it amusing people love the EU but when Filoni adds any kind of new EU to SW: Rebels its suddenly a bad thing. :confused
seelsa73
Sr Member
I've always loved when i saw EU stuff in Clone Wars myself...although he didn't make Aurra Sing a former Jedi like in the EU, which i think would have been cool to see.
Chosen One, doesn't count. Plus a war is on.
Luke was the son of the Chosen One, so I'm guessing his midic.... Force powers are through the roof too. The Force was with him? :lol
Again a war was on an a lot of Jedi were dying so they had to promote some sooner.
Savage wasn't that great a fighter. He pretty much was just using brute strength to bash through defenses. Yeah Mandolorians kill Jedi, but how many were really great Jedi? Jango put up a decent fight on Kamino, but I think he was going to lose if he hadn't escaped. He didn't fare too well against Mace without a jetpack. Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a Force pike... :lol
rodneyfaile
Sr Member
The animation on the Star Wars episodes of Family Guy looks more like Star Wars than this or Clone Wars.
Id rather see them go toward anime style than bobble headed stormtroopers.
Id rather see them go toward anime style than bobble headed stormtroopers.
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Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
I never really had problems with the animation style. It also got better through the show's run. It would be nice if they could get rid of some of the sharp edges. Based on the concept art of an R2 unit they showed about a month back, it looks like they want to go more detailed than the CW version of the R2 unit. It would be nice if they would make hair, look more like hair.
My major complaint in CW animation style is when they did something like making Yoda's head purposely oversized. That sort of thing is why I don't care much for anime. I hate those stupid circle mouths or eyes go funky when a character gets surprised or angry.
You said "any skilled Jedi" and If you were going to make exceptions then you should watch what you say. And if we are going to start throwing in exceptions, then there is no reason there cannot be some sort of exception for the mysterious Inquisitor.
Now you're just looking silly. See above comment. :unsure
Now you're just making stuff up. Ok, I can make up stuff too. Here is mine: A lot of the Jedi were dying so it was now very important to the Jedi Council that padawans not become Jedi Knights until there was absolutely ready. :lol
It doesn't matter how they died, it depends on what they did when they were living, And when they were alive, they killed many Jedi (based on the characters' backstory and/or seen on screen) without having Jedi skills or 14 years plus of formal training. :facepalm
Additionally all playfulness aside, as a military officer, I find it offensive that you associate death of a Jedi in combat/battle with them not being "really great Jedi". Why don't you just go up to some of our many war widows and family and say, "Hey sorry your husband/wife/son/daughter/etc.. died, I guess they weren't a really great Soldier/Sailor/Marine/Airman." :sick
Back on topic...
On the subject of the Inquisitor's picture. The first thing I thought of when I saw his Lightsaber was the Hasbro General Grievous spinning Lightsaber toy.
My major complaint in CW animation style is when they did something like making Yoda's head purposely oversized. That sort of thing is why I don't care much for anime. I hate those stupid circle mouths or eyes go funky when a character gets surprised or angry.
You said "any skilled Jedi" and If you were going to make exceptions then you should watch what you say. And if we are going to start throwing in exceptions, then there is no reason there cannot be some sort of exception for the mysterious Inquisitor.
Now you're just looking silly. See above comment. :unsure
Now you're just making stuff up. Ok, I can make up stuff too. Here is mine: A lot of the Jedi were dying so it was now very important to the Jedi Council that padawans not become Jedi Knights until there was absolutely ready. :lol
Savage wasn't that great a fighter. He pretty much was just using brute strength to bash through defenses. Yeah Mandolorians kill Jedi, but how many were really great Jedi? Jango put up a decent fight on Kamino, but I think he was going to lose if he hadn't escaped. He didn't fare too well against Mace without a jetpack. Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a Force pike... :lol
It doesn't matter how they died, it depends on what they did when they were living, And when they were alive, they killed many Jedi (based on the characters' backstory and/or seen on screen) without having Jedi skills or 14 years plus of formal training. :facepalm
Additionally all playfulness aside, as a military officer, I find it offensive that you associate death of a Jedi in combat/battle with them not being "really great Jedi". Why don't you just go up to some of our many war widows and family and say, "Hey sorry your husband/wife/son/daughter/etc.. died, I guess they weren't a really great Soldier/Sailor/Marine/Airman." :sick
Back on topic...
On the subject of the Inquisitor's picture. The first thing I thought of when I saw his Lightsaber was the Hasbro General Grievous spinning Lightsaber toy.
spacebat
Active Member
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Much of a Jedi's "luck","training" and "Sixth Sense" is attributed to their connection with a mysterious fictional energy they call the force... If a Jedi doesn't sense a sniper shot coming their way they simply aren't as "attuned" with the force as a Jedi that could sense it.
In Real life soldier's die regardless of their training and experience. Please, lets not compare Real Life to fiction.
Riceball
Master Member
That's a pretty broad generalization, anime really isn't a single genre, it's multiple genres with many different art/animation styles. While many of the more lighthearted shows do do the thing with the mouth and eyes there are just as many that are serious and never do any of the funny things that you describe. Stuff like the Gundam series, Macross, the new series Attack on Titan all vary in their character designs but they don't do any the crazy face things that you dislike.
While I agree with your general sentiment I can also see the other side of this argument as it were, remember we are talking about Jedi here and normal military folk. We're talking about people who can block lasers with their lightsabers, jump several stories in a single leap, make people say & believe what they want with the wave of their hand so to say that they were not that great because they got killed does sort of say something about their ability, or in some cases, lack there of. However, on the other hand, I'd argue that no matter how strong and skilled a given Jedi may be even the best of them can be killed by one lucky shot or by vastly overwhelming numbers, which is probably how they took down some of the best Jedi.
Personally, I'm not that big on the idea of this Inquisitor, I think it would have been better if they had the leader of the Jedi hunt a human Imperial officer, maybe a failed Padawan or something or someone kicked out for bad conduct, whatever, but an Imperial Officer regardless or maybe an outside "consultant" but not another Sith. Sith or Sith apprentices have really become a bit too common for my tastes, it seems that everybody who writes a show, a game, or book wants to create their own Sith/secret Vader apprentice.
I also agree with the sentiment that the show seems to be more about the Imperials than the Rebels, especially for a show called Star Wars: Rebels. Still, the show does seem promising, the idea of a world that at first welcomed the Imperials then regretting it when they see the true nature of the Empire sounds pretty good. I wonder if this system will end up being the birthplace of the Rebellion? I'm also wondering if and how deeply this show will touch on the beginnings of the Rebellion, like I said several pages back, I'd like to see different factions within the Rebellion each with a different idea/vision on how to fight the Empire with some insisting on only hitting military targets while others feel that anything and everything associated with the Empire, civilian or military, is fair game.
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Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Not true. Although a lot of events make the Jedi look to be superheroes they are not. Note Coleman Trebor ( A Master on the Jedi Council) was shot by Jango who drew his weapon and killed him in one shot a few meters away. Not only that, its just makes sense for telling a story. The Jedi have to be vulnerable or there is no suspense.
That's my point.
spacebat
Active Member
Yes, but they are superheroes...
A Jedi's sensitivity to the force allows them to do superhuman feats even things outside the capability of humans like force lightning, force push and using the force as a shield. The more attuned to the force the more powerful these "superhumans" become.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Sorry, everyone looks like Speed Racer (a show I love) to me. Does that make me an anime-ist? :lol
However, I'd love to get the Gatchaman Complete Collection [Blu-ray] coming out.
Right there with you. Furthermore, I wish the only jedi/sith and lightsaber in the show would be Vader.
I get the sense that is what will happen. I think we are going to see the the Empire causing so much suffering and dismay that people are starting to see through the propaganda and you will have the spark of the rebel which will spread as the series develops. But I also expect many levels to this series the way that CW was not just the Republic against the Separatist. As a result, I think you are right that there could be splinter groups that go to extreme measures. I also hope we get to see events for for characters like Dodonna, Madine, Rieekan, Ackbar, etc, that earned them top leadership roles.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Not specifically about the series but series related. I'm disappointed Hasbro is going to do their Rebel figure line with just 5 point articulation. I don't buy a lot of figures these days but every once in a while, if their is a cool character, I pick on up. :cry
Super... "human"? What do you have against non-human jedi? Sounds like some needs to go to an 8-hour Equal Opportunity class.:lol
A Wookiee is stronger than a human. So they have superhuman strength, does that make all Wookiees superheroes? :confused
So a Colman Trebor, a Jedi Master is standing on on a balcony with Lightsaber ignited and a non-jedi trained bounty hunter, who is pretty much standing in front of him, draws one blaster and lands his 3rd and 4th shot killing the Jedi Master. And that's a superhero?
Sorry, just messing with you. I know what you are saying and I do agree to a point. My original statement about Jedi and Superheroes was more aimed at the near immortality type qualities. I think I have stated more than enough examples that it doesn't take a well trained Sith or a platoon of Clonetroopers to kill a Jedi.
Super... "human"? What do you have against non-human jedi? Sounds like some needs to go to an 8-hour Equal Opportunity class.:lol
A Wookiee is stronger than a human. So they have superhuman strength, does that make all Wookiees superheroes? :confused
So a Colman Trebor, a Jedi Master is standing on on a balcony with Lightsaber ignited and a non-jedi trained bounty hunter, who is pretty much standing in front of him, draws one blaster and lands his 3rd and 4th shot killing the Jedi Master. And that's a superhero?
Sorry, just messing with you. I know what you are saying and I do agree to a point. My original statement about Jedi and Superheroes was more aimed at the near immortality type qualities. I think I have stated more than enough examples that it doesn't take a well trained Sith or a platoon of Clonetroopers to kill a Jedi.
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