Something that is curious that is explicit in the Lords of the Sith book is that Vader's suit is considered "armor". It's often referred to as protecting him rom various damage and attacks and yet most of what it appears he wears is a leather suit with boots and shoulder pads.
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After reading that there is lightsaber proof armor, I wonder if vaders shoulder armor is lightsaber proof, that would explain the Sparks we see when look hits him before vader cuts his hand off
Only in the EU, beskar or something Mado's use. But not in specific canon.
Aaahhh ok, please excuse my spelling I'm on the iPad
Beskar (some Mandalorian armor/weapons), Phrik (some Battledroids and Darktroopers), and Cortosis are the main metals. IMO, it would be cool to have that brought into the current EU since Grievous' bodyguards supposedly had their staffs made of Phrik. Also the metals were more rare so they were used sparingly.
Mara Jade's Father
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Sorry, buts that's the sort of crud that made me happy to see the old EU tossed out.
Metals. That's what poisons world building? Skippy gets a pass, broken hearts gets a pass (MAIN CANON), but metals?
You seriously don't think there wouldn't be some materials that a lightsaber couldn't cut through? It would make sense that people would try to find a defense for a lightsaber.
Solo4114
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Right, but I'm saying that at this point, his attitudes and opinions don't really matter as far as where the story can/will go. They're maybe given a little more weight, but not enough that an interview he gave in 2002 should be considered a guidepost to where things will go, any more than one of my posts here from 2002 should. It's all the LFL story group's choice now. I do agree with you, though, that fans put a lot onto Lucas that he himself may not have actually addressed directly.
Actually, I think that depends on one's perspective. Like, what are you trying to show? What was truly intended at the time? Or what was the final state of things before the Disney sale? If you want to show what was "always intended," then the older information is more reliable. If you want to show how the story evolved to figure out where everything left off, then the latter material is what matters more.
To be fair, we don't yet know what will happen with that or the reams of other information that's accumulated over the years. Particularly when it comes to the more "world building" kind of stuff (as opposed to characters and specific events), I think it's entirely possible that large portions of EU material will be lifted. Like, there's this thing called the Ghorman Massacre, where Moff Tarkin is supposed to have landed a shuttle on top of a bunch of protestors or something. I think the West End Games people came up with that for the Star Wars RPG back in the day (where a ton of material comes from, actually). There might be a reason to toss that out, if the story group wants to show Tarkin doing other stuff. But something like, say, the origin of the X-wing or the names of the companies that built the TIE fighters, I don't see any reason why they'd jettison that.
Mara Jade's Father
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It's not about what is possible in the SW universe, it's about lazy writing and too much technobabble in the novels. The authors in the novels tended to over explain why something was the way it was. They also had a annoying habit of relying on special devices, weapons, etc, that they needed in just the right situations.
Solo4114
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At this point, the only things that "count" as canon are:
- The OT (the SE versions, currently)
- The PT
- the Clone Wars cartoon (the CGI one, I think, not the Tartakofsky one -- but I might be wrong)
- All material produced after the Disney takeover (e.g. Rebels, the most recent novels and comics).
Everything even remotely EU is now considered non-canonical unless otherwise stated.
Riceball
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Not quite, the EU was considered canon but, at the same time, Lucas was not beholden to it and was free to ignore or borrow from it as he pleased if he made more Star Wars. Of course, authors and game creators were largely forbidden to write in the PT era prior to when the PT came out leaving that era solely to Lucas until after Ep. III came out then it was fair game.
Solo4114
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My recollection is that the EU had varying "levels" of canon. So, the films were obviously canon, as were their adaptations (e.g. novel, radio drama, comic book renditions, etc.), with the films being the "primary" version. The licensed novels were considered to be cabable of being overridden by Lucas at any time, if he decided to chuck 'em. And then there were things like video games and the Star Wars RPG, which were NOT treated as canon, except for The Force Unleashed 1 and 2, which were treated as canon for marketing purposes, and then subsequently ditched by Disney (and a good thing, too).
Ultimately, it was all a little convoluted and I'm glad the Disney story group decided to ditch everything by default, unless they explicitly incorporate it.
Mara Jade's Father
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That's how I remember it too. But when you think about it, something is canon or it is not. It's like saying someone is just a little bit pregnant. You can't say this is canon... until it overwritten.
One item that that was suppose to be considered high on the canon list was Shadows of the Empire. SOTE was a created by LFL in order to reinvigorate interest back to the Star Wars franchise. It was marketed as a non-movie movie. Had everything, books, video game, soundtrack, comics, toys... Everything a movie does except for the movie. When I first read it back in the mid nineties, I liked it. But I re-read it back in 2012 and found it as annoying as most of the novels. I will say that he had a very good action flow. I think I still have the soundtrack somewhere.
I know that Disney is going to have a tighter reigns on the new EU to ensure canon material does not conflict. I hope this is true but they also ensure quality. So far with the novels, I have found them quite boring. I listened to A New Dawn on CD. As I listened to it, I couldn't image actually reading it. I tried to read Tarkin but it seemed painful. I looked at the synopsis on line to get the main details incase it was canon info I needed and was greatful I did not invest a lot of time reading the book. I am now considering if I want to attempt Lords of the Sith.
An example of being concerned of creating a new EU is as follows. In New Dawn, they have a female stormtrooper in one of the chapters. I am okay with a female stormtrooper but I dislike the fact that we have not seen or hear of another canon Stormtrooper in the original trilogy. I worry about writers taking to many liberties that might slide by Disney. Maybe they missed something or maybe they didn't but it is a concern of mine.
Well considering the only canon left is the films and The Clone Wars, your upset that a female trooper didn't appear in those? There is a finite amount of things we have seen relative to what we WILL see in the decades to come, best get used to that.
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Mara Jade's Father
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I'm not concerned that I haven't seen female storm troopers yet. I'm concerned that someone took too much liberties and that we won't see them in the future.
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