Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

[Picard102]

Well then, trying to convince you is like trying to convince a person running away from the sun that he can outrun his own shadow.

Eventually the sun sets.

Why does everything need to be redefined, recontextualized, enhanced, or "improved?" Is it really so bad for a story to end?

It doesn't, but there is clearly a demand for these additional stories.

How many version of the Odyssey are there?

It's been the basis for a number of modern stories, "O Brother Where Art Thou?" jumps to mind.
There was also the sequel in 1938 "The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel".

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I know not everyone likes The Last Jedi. But there's a line from Yoda that I think is very fitting. "We are what they grow beyond." Maybe that's become some of us? Star Wars has grown beyond us? It is passing into the hands of younger storytellers and younger fans. Maybe we all need to work on just letting it go? And just remain content with what we have. Because nothing can change the fact we all have awesome stories to watch or read and to share.

I don't see Disney as the "hands of younger storytellers" at all. I see it as a giant corporation that has way too much influence on the world and culture pushing that growth and change to its own benefit at a very high cost to everyone else.

Because that's what generational storytelling does. King Arthur, Robin Hood, what have you. Every telling of the story added something new and different.

Tolkien was constantly altering his story.

Star Trek has had so many changes.

Star Wars is is just one mythos out of many that's had an ongoing evolution.

And go back to the OT. ESB added to ANH it recontextualized it. It could be argued it very much improved it. And ROTJ did the same. At it's very foundation, Star Wars is based on change.

Tolkien changed, re-contexualized and evolved content he created while remaining true to his own vision and spirit. Disney repeatedly demonstrates that it has no respect for that. It could've entirely evolved SW without making it the mess it has become.

 

[CopperRevan]

Eventually the sun sets.


It doesn't, but there is clearly a demand for these additional stories.


It's been the basis for a number of modern stories, "O Brother Where Art Thou?" jumps to mind.
There was also the sequel in 1938 "The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel".

You have an answer for everything. The sun rises again. We can keep chasing our tales or move on. Like Disney should, let's move on.

 

[Psab keel]

I get what you're saying Joek3rr, but those films were told within a span of a decade as a completed story. I know the original was structured in a way to be a stand alone movie (only because of funding issues) but Lucas did plan to make a larger story because he'd written a treatment for a number of films as long as he got the money to do it. Ultimately more doesn't always equate to better.

It's like a person tells this incredible story and then another person who was standing there listening tries to retell it a few minutes later with all these unnecessarily embellishments that actually undermines the previous telling.

It's been the basis for a number of modern stories, "O Brother Where Art Thou?" jumps to mind.
There was also the sequel in 1938 "The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel".

The difference is that those retellings of the Odyssey came hundreds of years after the initial story. They became new again because they'd been out of the zeitgeist for so long. Star Wars barely went away by comparison.

 

[Paul Andrew]

I would also love to see new stories with new characters, especially in film and TV, but I'm not offended by bringing old favorites back for a victory lap.

You ever go to a concert, and 50% of the band's setlist is new songs you don't know as well? I'm there for it, but I also want the stuff I can sing along to.

 

[Joek3rr]

I don't see Disney as the "hands of younger storytellers" at all. I see it as a giant corporation that has way too much influence on the world and culture pushing that growth and change to its own benefit at a very high cost to everyone else.

But the people who Disney/Lucasfilm hires is only going to get younger (compared to us). And they're still writing these stories aiming at the youth of today.

Tolkien changed, re-contexualized and evolved content he created while remaining true to his own vision and spirit. Disney repeatedly demonstrates that it has no respect for that. It could've entirely evolved SW without making it the mess it has become.

But then again George gave the right up to someone else.

 

[Joek3rr]

Wait...so it improves it? Well then, trying to convince you is like trying to convince a person running away from the sun that he can outrun his own shadow.

Sincerely, glad Kenobi makes you happy

Oh man you missed a moment for an Obi-Wan quote.

 

[Joek3rr]

I get what you're saying Joek3rr, but those films were told within a span of a decade as a completed story. I know the original was structured in a way to be a stand alone movie (only because of funding issues) but Lucas did plan to make a larger story because he'd written a treatment for a number of films as long as he got the money to do it. Ultimately more doesn't always equate to better.

It's like a person tells this incredible story and then another person who was standing there listening tries to retell it a few minutes later with all these unnecessarily embellishments that actually undermines the previous telling.

The major difference being that George sold the company and gave his blessing for them to make films without him. He didn't have to. Heck a few years prior, I think 2008, he explicitly said he had left plans that there wouldn't be any more films. After he left. What happened? Bob Iger waved a bunch of money in front of George is what happened. Actually if anyone is to blame for all this, it's him. George would have retired and Star Wars and Lucasfilm would have remained independent. Maybe turning out a novel or comic from time to time or a game.

 

[CopperRevan]

Oh man you missed a moment for an Obi-Wan quote.

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Darn it!!

 

[CopperRevan]

The major difference being that George sold the company and gave his blessing for them to make films without him. He didn't have to. Heck a few years prior, I think 2008, he explicitly said he had left plans that there wouldn't be any more films. After he left. What happened? Bob Iger waved a bunch of money in front of George is what happened. Actually if anyone is to blame for all this, it's him. George would have retired and Star Wars and Lucasfilm would have remained independent. Maybe turning out a novel or comic from time to time or a game.

100% agree that it begins and ends with George because He gave it to us and then sold it...couldn't agree more. He was promised things though about respecting the content which they lied through their teeth about and had a GOLDEN opportunity to do something really special and they blew it...Not even a scene with the whole original cast in it? I didn't even want an ST but since they agreed to put the original cast in the movies i atleast expected them to be used well. If they wanted to do Rey, Finn and Poe and leave the Skywalkers/Solo's out and not basically tried to retcon the OT then i would have been more receptive but honestly, so sick to my stomach with this modern thought of retconning everything because they simply aren't creative enough to do something new.

On a different note, i appreciate the dialogue because you are knowledgeable and you atleast listen. So thank you for that and being articulate. Most of all of you surpass my knowledge of EU etc because i "cut myself off from the force " after 1983. I always went back to it no matter what. When the prequels came out and Kotor i was really interested in the "Old Republic" because it was so far away from the OT and it was new. SO...despite what some think, i can enjoy new things...NEW things not retconned things. Anyways, i'm going to get some New York Pizza...lol

 

[Psab keel]

The major difference being that George sold the company and gave his blessing for them to make films without him. He didn't have to. Heck a few years prior, I think 2008, he explicitly said he had left plans that there wouldn't be any more films. After he left. What happened? Bob Iger waved a bunch of money in front of George is what happened. Actually if anyone is to blame for all this, it's him. George would have retired and Star Wars and Lucasfilm would have remained independent. Maybe turning out a novel or comic from time to time or a game.

I never discounted George's bad choices.

 

[CopperRevan]

I would also love to see new stories with new characters, especially in film and TV, but I'm not offended by bringing old favorites back for a victory lap.

You ever go to a concert, and 50% of the band's setlist is new songs you don't know as well? I'm there for it, but I also want the stuff I can sing along to.

I agree with that!! Just don't change the lyrics of the songs...especially the hits that made you famous to begin with.

 

[Psab keel]

How many victory laps do they need? Lol

 

[Paul Andrew]

How many victory laps do they need? Lol

How many farewell tours have the eagles had? Lol

 

[Riceball]

As much as we air out our displeasure on here, i really hope that those of us with kids don't do it as they are watching it, as a friend reminded me yesterday. We definitely need our kids to be kids and not rob them of the joy we got to experience ourselves as kids.

This goes to my argument why Disney has made Galaxy's Edge and the fake cruise hotel set in the ST, it's because they know that to kids the ST is Star Wars, just like a generation or so ago, the PT was Star Wars to them. They know that while they, the kids, might not have money, their parents do and many parents loathe to say no to their kids these days. Plus, down the line, these kids are going to grow up and they're going to be us and will be spending money on ST stuff because that's what they grew up with. Then these new grown-ups will have kids and they'll probably end up whining and complaining about how the new Sequel Sequel Trilogy sucks and how the ST was so much better.

 

[CopperRevan]

How many farewell tours have the eagles had? Lol

This is hysterical...I grew up with the Eagles and Journey. Imagine if the Eagles showed up and started playing

1. Take it cheesy
2. Hotel South Dakota
3. One of these fights

Etc. They would be basically parodies and would be reduced to Weird Al

He's funny yes, but it's a joke.

So the ST is like Weird Al...
Thanks for that idea

 

[Krieger]

This is hysterical...I grew up with the Eagles and Journey. Imagine if the Eagles showed up and started playing

1. Take it cheesy
2. Hotel South Dakota
3. One of these fights

Etc. They would be basically parodies and would be reduced to Weird Al

He's funny yes, but it's a joke.

So the ST is like Weird Al...
Thanks for that idea

Not reduced to Weird Al, copying Weird Al - I was there at the 2017 Star Wars Celebration Bash, it was some of his best deep cuts!

 

[CopperRevan]

Not reduced to Weird Al, copying Weird Al - I was there at the 2017 Star Wars Celebration Bash, it was some of his best deep cuts!

I love Dare to be Stupid...apparently...Disney does too.
I'm a big Transformers G1 fan

 

[Psab keel]

Kids may like the ST, but could care less about a fake cruise.

 

[CopperRevan]

and stay away from that "all you can eat buffet"...does a real number on your bowels...lol