Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

[CT1138]

Of course but that's not what we're referring to. Numerous times now in comics, video games and even in the Rebels TV show, we see a "battledamaged" Vader, usually with helmet destroyed and face partially revealed to dramatic effect, suit in tatters. This has always been incredibly cheesy to me. I know it's done "because it's like cool man", but as far as I'm concerned, the suit should be far more resilient than depicted in these cases and Vader should be in a bad way if it somehow ever was damaged to the extent that is sometimes shown. It is a life support suit with all kinds of technology and medical aids built into it. Vader should be strangling to death in a heap if this sealed suit is compromised as is sometimes depicted, rather than continuing on somehow unscathed.

IDK if his suit is completely "sealed" though I suppose the argument can be made that his helmet definitely is. I can't speak to the comics and games, but in Rebels, the area around his mouth and nose are still intact, so I've always assumed that he could still breath.

I see what you did there. You had to justify everything with the ST and so forth. That is a huge stretch and using assumptions and reading between lines in order to justify retconing the characters. So you say, some responded this way and that and yet some how 100% of them all have PTSD...in different ways. That seems very intentional if you ask me and there's an agenda behind it. I get it...let the past die...kill it if you must. That is why nothing today or very little will stand the test of time for quality in story telling because " everybody is a victim and whoa is me and its everybody else's fault and it's not my fault for my choices and everyone gets a trophy". We will call everything PTSD then which will water it down( just like they are doing with the OT characters) reducing it to an excuse to the detriment of those that ACTUALLY have it for real. Everyone who disagrees is " toxic" Everyone who dislikes how an actor performs is a " racist" . If you dislike how a show is written or produced you're not a " real fan". There is no good and evil...it's all grey. Goodness gracious. If one thing we all seem to be professionals at is justifying are endless excuses about why we do what we do without taking personal responsibilities yet we somehow are experts at why fictional characters are written poorly. The OT wasn't good enough? The characters needed further exploration? The story shouldn't end? Explain to us why then. It sure felt complete to me. What has been added to any of the character's arc that gives them any more gravitas than what they originally had and did it add any gravitas to the original story itself ? Answer...no, if anything it takes away and undermines it. " Well , he has PTSD...yeah...that's it..PTSD, I tell you...such a toxic series of unfortunate events and he had to give up his life for little Luke's sake..." Poor, poor Obi-Wan...he needs guidance from his PTSD by the help of a little girl and get back on track in his life because of all the trauma he's been through" ....please!!

Dude, you're reading way too much into what I wrote. I'm just stating events that occurred, and giving my interpretation of psychological motivations behind them.

Luke went into self-imposed exile just like Obi-Wan did.
Han went back to a life of crime (smuggling is a criminal activity, no matter how romanticized SW makes it)
Leia started up a paramilitarist group to fight the First Order.

These are events that happened. Stating that they happened (and the stated reasons for why) isn't "justifying" anything.

Obi-Wan's trauma was going to be a topic of this show. We knew that before we knew anything else about it. I don't know why everyone is acting surprised that it's a discussion point.

 

[CopperRevan]

Btw, like I said I'm a vet, my Uncles were combat vets in Vietnam, my Grandfather a combat Vet of WW2 in one of the bloodiest battles ( Hurtgen Forest Germany), everyone in his platoon was killed except him and one other. He was field promoted due to it. He watched his best friend get a bullet in between his eye's in the foxhole together. They would tell me the horror stories in tears but they all were loving, caring and strong people that helped shape my life...REAL HEROES!!! If anybody should have had PTSD...they should've. I spent summers with them and never observed any bit of it...ever. What I am saying is not against those who have it...it's in support of those who ACTUALLY had it. So, how in my real life situation that it worked out 0% had PTSD, but in the fictional realm of Star Wars, new age writers and justifying fans are ok with 100% end up with PTSD? I don't get it.

 

[CT1138]

Btw, like I said I'm a vet, my Uncles were combat vets in Vietnam, my Grandfather a combat Vet of WW2 in one of the bloodiest battles ( Hurtgen Forest Germany), everyone in his platoon was killed except him and one other. He was field promoted due to it. He watched his best friend get a bullet in between his eye's in the foxhole together. They would tell me the horror stories in tears but they all were loving, caring and strong people that helped shape my life...REAL HEROES!!! If anybody should have had PTSD...they should've. I spent summers with them and never observed any bit of it...ever. What I am saying is not against those who have it...it's in support of those who ACTUALLY had it. So, how in my real life situation that it worked out 0% had PTSD, but in the fictional realm of Star Wars, new age writers and justifying fans are ok with 100% end up with PTSD? I don't get it.

"They would tell me the horror stories in tears" Dude, you literally just described a PTSD moment.

I didn't know your grandfather, but he sounded like a good man. As I said, PTSD used to be heavily stigmatized. There's a chance he tried to hide it around you because he didn't want to upset you. I know my own father gets the occasional PTSD dream from his time in the service. He doesn't like the discuss them in detail, and I can tell he feels embarrassed about them because he feels there were combat vets who had it worse than he did. Like I said, PTSD can still be stigmatized sometimes.

 

[CopperRevan]

"They would tell me the horror stories in tears" Dude, you literally just described a PTSD moment.

I didn't know your grandfather, but he sounded like a good man. As I said, PTSD used to be heavily stigmatized. There's a chance he tried to hide it around you because he didn't want to upset you. I know my own father gets the occasional PTSD dream from his time in the service. He doesn't like the discuss them in detail, and I can tell he feels embarrassed about them because he feels there were combat vets who had it worse than he did. Like I said, PTSD can still be stigmatized sometimes.

I've been through stuff I can't say on here...it would blow your mind and I've told my wife, my kids in tears too...doesn't mean I have PTSD... it means I'm human, like you and others that have experienced trauma. All trauma is not PTSD and if it is then the whole human race has it to some degree but I'm not going to use it as a hot button or excuse for why I do what I do. We are talking about Star Wars...fictional universe. Although we have branched off our original discussion, my main point was changing a character entirely along with continuity issues. I just don't believe PTSD justifies it for me. If you do, that's fine but the whole Kenobi show is plain unneeded. But I do like his lightsaber...lol

 

[Master Boda]

Speaking of processing trauma differently...

>Claims to have psychological background
>Calls vets who outwardly display PTSD as "broken" and "weak minded."

Men/women who have been abused in it’s various forms and work through it will never call themselves a victim they call themselves a survivor as with some vets.They usually say yeah I experienced (trauma) had a breakdown but I survived and won’t let this stop me.Others not so much I am a victim look what happened to me.Life is suffering we all suffer it’s how you deal with it,you know is the glass half full or empty.Would you prefer the term strong/weak willed as opposed to minded,in nature there are alphas and betas for a reason. I do respect veteran’s for their service and sacrifice.

 

[ghostryder]

How ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Writer Justified Obi-Wan Not Knowing Anakin Was Alive

Obi-Wan Kenobi writer Joby Harold explains how they justified Obi-Wan not knowing Anakin was live in the Disney+ series.

www.thewrap.com

 

[CopperRevan]

How ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Writer Justified Obi-Wan Not Knowing Anakin Was Alive

Obi-Wan Kenobi writer Joby Harold explains how they justified Obi-Wan not knowing Anakin was live in the Disney+ series.

www.thewrap.com

This confuses me even more...lol. This whole article is confusing which makes sense why the show is confusing so overall, I guess, does make total sense? I mean, he used Pablo to justify his ideas and states he's within canon because Pablo is all about canon, yet only in the framework of the PT. So, as long as it fits within the framework of the PT it's fair game but it doesn't have to fit into the OT? Am I missing something? Honestly

 

[Psab keel]

It's been pointed out numerous times that Obi-Wan knows who Darth Vader is because of the hologram in Revenge of the Sith. All this article does is prove that neither the writer nor Pablo Hidalgo were paying any attention and they had so little to go on to create six hours of material that they are willing to ignore anything that came before in order to make new content. Hidalgo's idea of canon is a total joke. It's literally his job to make sure the pieces fit together as seamlessly as possible. Man, does he suck at his job.

 

[HMSwolfe]

Directly quoted from the article:

“But Harold, whose credits also include ‘King Arthur: Legend of the Sword’…”

How does a blockhead capable of writing such a tremendous stinker continue to remain employed? Reminds me of when they announced the screenwriter who cursed the world with Batman V. Superman would also be writing for Rise of Skywalker. You really can tell it’s not about what you can do but who you know in Hollywood, because anywhere else these clowns would actually have to be good at their jobs.

 

[CopperRevan]

Plus, if I can humor myself, if in ROTS, Obi sees Anakin with a Sith Lord( Palpatine), and sees him kneel at his feet...even if he never heard the words " Darth Vader" , after they actually fought and he left Anakin ALIVE( He purposefully did this by cutting of limbs instead of killing him with a lightsaber), did he walk away and think, oh yeah, Palpatine won't come looking for him or anything after pronouncing him a " Lord". Order 66 just went into effect and you would think the pursuit would be more aggressive in the beginning stages so what, 10 yrs go by and Obi never gets wind of a guy called " Lord Vader" who is tenacious at pursuit and is supposedly very angry and his sole mission is Kenobi yet Kenobi knows of the Inquisitors. Yeah, ok. Apparently, the Empire is better at Hiding Vaders name than Bail Organa is at hiding his own daughter.

 

[Wolfsburg]

IDK if his suit is completely "sealed" though I suppose the argument can be made that his helmet definitely is. I can't speak to the comics and games, but in Rebels, the area around his mouth and nose are still intact, so I've always assumed that he could still breath.

Well he can withstand the vacuum of space so I would assume the suit is indeed sealed.

It's been pointed out numerous times that Obi-Wan knows who Darth Vader is because of the hologram in Revenge of the Sith. All this article does is prove that neither the writer nor Pablo Hidalgo were paying any attention and they had so little to go on to create six hours of material that they are willing to ignore anything that came before in order to make new content. Hidalgo's idea of canon is a total joke. It's literally his job to make sure the pieces fit together as seamlessly as possible. Man, does he suck at his job.

I've said this before but I've always been baffled how ol' Pablo got to be in the position he is or how he still has a job.

 

[CopperRevan]

Directly quoted from the article:

“But Harold, whose credits also include ‘King Arthur: Legend of the Sword’…”

How does a blockhead capable of writing such a tremendous stinker continue to remain employed? Reminds me of when they announced the screenwriter who cursed the world with Batman V. Superman would also be writing for Rise of Skywalker. You really can tell it’s not about what you can do but who you know in Hollywood, because anywhere else these clowns would actually have to be good at their jobs.

Right? And thanks for the kick in the b--ls about writing for Transformers Rise of the beast...as if the news couldn't get any worse...lol

 

[Paul Andrew]

The article doesn't actually clear anything up. The meat of the matter isn't if Obi Wan knew the name Vader, it's whether or not he knew Vader was rescued from Mustafar.

I can understand a world in which he doesn't, but still recognizes Inquisitors. It cuts it close, but I can get there. It's not like he would have been hanging out with Inquisitors and asking them who they worked for, but it's plausible he could recognize them.

 

[Psab keel]

This is one of the key problems with ROTS. The entire purpose of splitting up the twins was to keep them away from Vader and the Emperor. Why else would they do that if they thought Vader had died on Mustafar?

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

This is one of the key problems with ROTS. The entire purpose of splitting up the twins was to keep them away from Vader and the Emperor. Why else would they do that if they thought Vader had died on Mustafar?

Because the Empire is actively killing all Jedi and is run by a Dark Lord of the Sith who would likely go after any force sensitive children. Keeping them together would put them both at higher risk even if they weren't Anakin's children. I do agree that it seems silly for them to justify splitting up the twins and hiding them from Anakin if everyone thinks he's dead. Hiding them from the Emperor is believable though IMO.

Kenobi 100% knew that Anakin was Darth Vader. Yoda said the following to Kenobi in the Jedi Temple after watching the security tapes of Anakin killing younglings... "Twisted by the dark side young Skywalker has become. The Boy you trained, gone he is, consumed by Darth Vader." Also the Emperor identified Anakin as Lord Vader right before Obi-Wan turned it off.

 

[Psab keel]

Clearly the Emperor is a threat, so I'm not discounting that as much as the need to keep them away from Vader if they honestly thought he was dead at Mustafar. That part makes no sense.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Yeeeeeah that's definitely another canon issue. Obi-wan clearly says to Luke:

"To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous."

Clearly they were either concerned that Vader would turn the twins over to the Emperor or perhaps simply that the Emperor would discover them through Vader's thoughts. Either way, if Obi-wan thought Vader was dead, it certainly makes no sense why they felt the need to hide the kids from him. Hiding them from the Emperor makes sense and if he had just simply said as such, it wouldn't be as much of an issue...but he didn't. The handling of this in RotS is an issue of GL either not remembering or not caring about his own canon (same issue with Leia remembering her "real" mother... before she died seconds after Leia was born but alas...) but the Kenobi show now definitively establishing that Obi-wan somehow didn't know Vader was alive until 10 years after the kids were born only exacerbates it. Until this show, one might could've assumed perhaps Obi-wan somehow knew by the time they were deciding what to do with the kids that Vader was still alive. That's a stretch but it gave some wiggle room at least. Unfortunately, the show squashes that possibility, in no uncertain terms.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Directly quoted from the article:

“But Harold, whose credits also include ‘King Arthur: Legend of the Sword’…”

How does a blockhead capable of writing such a tremendous stinker continue to remain employed? Reminds me of when they announced the screenwriter who cursed the world with Batman V. Superman would also be writing for Rise of Skywalker. You really can tell it’s not about what you can do but who you know in Hollywood, because anywhere else these clowns would actually have to be good at their jobs.

Are you Master Skywalker?

Why did you say that name!?!?

 

[MattWinchell]

I think this point of contention we are having was already an issue in episode 3. I don't really think this makes things worse. Before the show, Obi-Wan's final confrontation on Mustafar already made the scene in episode 6 feel awkward. I think, and this is unfortunate, the audience is supposed to believe that Ben is a bad narrator all the way through the whole trilogy, including ep 6 with his discussion with Luke. As such, if we were to make sense of this, Ben has to be lying to Luke regarding the: "hidden from your father" thing, which is bizarre since it's such a weird thing to lie about.

 

[Riceball]

Lucasfilm was more than movies.Ever heard of THX,Skywalker sound.Lucasfilm in some sense was a pioneer in film.When TPM came out it took CGI to a new level it had never been at previous.AOTC was if I remember right one of the first movies to use blue screen and was filmed in with tech new to the industry.LucasArts had a string of some of the best SW games to ever be made,one of them being KOTOR and anyone who played it already had already experienced the scene in the Mandalorian when the krayt dragon was killed or in BOBF when the tuskens told the story of Tatooines past we had already heard the story. I could go on but I think you get the point.

Blue and green screens have been in use from before the PT and Lucascilms/ILM weren't the first ones to use them either. Blue and green screens have been used since the early days of optical; compositing and were used extensively in the OT, but Lcuas wasn't the first to use them. What he/they did pioneer was the extensive use of them and for virtual sets.