I don't think it's fair to assume & assert that a story we know no details of, is going to break any sort of ASSUMED continuity, nor is it fair to characterize fans that could enjoy that story as lesser because they are more accepting that there are things that we simply don't know about that time period.I can't realistically see a scenario where it's of paramount importance for him to leave. The galaxy is already in turmoil and the Empire rules. How much worse can you get? Having him go off world diminishes everything and there's not likely a more viable threat that would plunge things even deeper into chaos.
But I guess continuity doesn't really matter to a lot of fans. Oh well. I know I'm in the minority on this.
I share a few of those doubts and have some of my own. They aren't enough to dissuade or prevent watching with an open mind (I truly don't think that's the intent). There are a lot of good things that could come out of this show as well but for some reason this thread seems to come back to the same issues/topics again and again.Yet by that logic Obi-Wan isn't a noble character at all, but a master manipulator. It seems to me that's a pretty cynical view of a character who's supposed to be heroic. I really don't get how he sounds appealing at all in that light, but you're entitled to your view, even if I strongly disagree.
The details I listed as for why it could potentially be problematic for this series are not assumed, they're immutable. These are established story elements that exist in the films and if we can't find common ground on the basics then why are we having the discussion at all? They're not derived from any other source other than watching those movies alone. I'm not referencing anything else. So to claim I'm only making assumptions is deflecting and trying to frame my concerns as invalid when they have merit because my points are grounded in what has been presented to the audience.
Do I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they won't address the potential story conflicts? No. Which is why any assumptions I did make were to try and posit solutions for these issues, but those ideas only presented me with more problems and raised more questions than they answered.
Fans can like whatever they want so I'm not saying they're lesser than anyone else. I'm just saying that continuity is important if you value story and to reiterate my thoughts are based solely on what has been presented by watching the saga films. Nothing more.
I also did say I hope I'm proven wrong but then again I was in the process of clarifying my post when you replied. My apprehension could be completely unfounded and they might knock this out of the park and weave this new story seemlessly into the existing ones.
I just have my doubts given the way the series has been handled for decades now. I'll repeat I would be thrilled to be wrong. Besides all of this is merely speculation and until the final product is delivered none of us can say concretely one way or the other.
There's a couple of inherent problems with that idea though. I've already explained at length how it would undo Obi-Wan's character arc and undermine the nobility of the Jedi who sacrificed everything to protect A New Hope (ie. Luke), but setting that aside for a moment let's consider the logistics of how this would play out.
If we're assuming that the existing saga films are considered canon then it automatically breaks key elements of those established stories. At the end of Revenge of the Sith Vader is told he killed Padme. Luke's existence is unknown to Vader until the attack on the first Death Star in the original film and between that event and the beginning of the Empire Strikes Back he learns that this rebel pilot is his son. Having Vader seek out his offspring between ROTS and ANH would make no logical sense since as far as he knows Padme is dead and the baby died with her. The timeline just doesn't add up. How can Vader or the Empire seek out Vader's offspring who to their knowledge, don't exist?
By hiding Luke and Leia away from the eyes of the Empire (or at the least the knowledge of their lineage in Leia's case) Obi-Wan, Bail Organa, and Yoda by default have the tactical advantage. Now in order to explain this discrepancy, we could assume the writers would have to explain a scenario in which knowledge of Luke existence or Leia's parentage could be divulged to the Empire, but then they have to explain who knows it and more importantly how do they know it?
There were few eye witnesses to their birth and there were hundreds of people who attended Padme's funeral who saw her body with a swollen belly so the reasonable assumption was that the child died with her. Plus only Obi-Wan, Bail, Yoda, and some droids even knew there were twins, so that knowledge was even more limited in terms of who was privvy to it. Unless R2 is some sort of snitch..... Vader didn't even learn of Leia's lineage until the climax of ROTJ, so you can't even factor her into that part of it realistically.
You can't make the excuse that Palpatine knew about the twins either because if he did then he would have sent Vader out to kill them. Even making the claim Palpatine would send others to kill the twins makes even less sense when Vader was his right hand man. Plus having Inquisitors rather than Vader murdering Jedi and Rebels really brings Vader down in stature as Palpatine's apprentice and subdues him as a villain.
Secondly, even if we disregard these factors you still have to consider that by the time news that someone was after Luke reached Obi-Wan, it would be too late. Tatooine is then compromised as an effective hiding place and they would be on the run from the Empire or whoever was after them. I mean it's clear that he lives in isolation and keeping direct contact with key figures in the Rebellion would make him a target so how could anyone warn Obi-Wan? Besides, if Luke's location wasn't that important then why didn't Obi-Wan spend the 20 years between ROTS and ANH helping build the Rebellion? Why did Leia have to seek him out?
It just raises too many questions and breaks too many key story components that would ruin the established works, all for the excuse to have more lightsaber fights and planet hopping. I mean those are fun elements to a story, but if you have to break that much canon to just to have a few flashy elements then I'm not on board with that. At all. Again all of this runs on the assumption that existing canon is actually going to be honored, which we know for a fact is mutable given the way these stories are always handled now.
As someone pointed out before the new comics and/or books have already had Vader back on Tatooine after Lucas has said, numerous times, that Vader would NEVER go back to Tatooine. That's THE reason they hid Luke there. Vader knows that it would make him think of his mom and Anakin would surface and he's trying to kill off Anakin permanently. So I think parts of Lucasfilm are fine with ignoring canon (and fans by default) to make whatever cockamamie story they come up with.
My guess is that Satine (from TCW) sends Obi-Wan a text saying "You up....?" and he leaves for an intergalactic booty call. There's no much to do on Tatooine.
The prequels themselves did introduce, maybe not outright story contradictions, but certainly a few plausibility problems. EU stuff (novels, etc) can often try to rationalise (and sometimes fail spectacularly) And true that new movies or shows also have a bad habit of roughshodding what went before (if Palpatine new he had a son who could make lots of baby sprogs who could come back and kick his wrinkly behind then he wouldn't care less about Luke and Leia, Vader be dammed - I mean seriously they gotta be kidding) I'm certainly no fan of Inquisitors either.
While I'm looking forward to the show, I'm still very concerned about how they can handle the idea of meeting up Obi-Wan and Darth Vader again without reducing the impact of ANH, not to mention the complexity of keeping the kids secret. If it was done with Hayden playing Anakin in flashbacks with Obi-Wan during the Clone Wars then that would be okay. Even have Anakin in scenes as Darth Vader while one (or both of them) reminice about the good old days. But the idea that they actually have another saber duel between ROTS and ANH is not only completely superfluous (and implying Vader got beat - again) but potentially undermine the impact of their meeting in the very first ever Star Wars movie.
LAME! Vader's scared of Tatooine. May as well just say it's because he doesn't like sand. Seriously, even that's a better explanation than he's gonna cry over his mom. This is why I don't read the books.
He can't call up Satine though. The Clone Wars were too much for her...
His mother was tortured and possibly rapped by the tuskins…LAME! Vader's scared of Tatooine. May as well just say it's because he doesn't like sand. Seriously, even that's a better explanation than he's gonna cry over his mom. This is why I don't read the books.
He can't call up Satine though. The Clone Wars were too much for her...