Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I enjoyed the show very much. It was great to see the old cast in their respective roles again. I liked the montage at the beginning which was a great way to bring the casual viewer who usually does not watch the movies "up-to-date" (one of my friends is still refusing to watch the movies so I thought this scene was perfect for him; I will never stop bugging him to finally see the movies though ;) ). Vader was bad-ass and it was a very bold decision to show him strangling and killing people by the dozen in the village (for a kid-friendly DISNEY show!). Every Vader scene was even more intense than those in "Rogue One". Seeing Alderaan for the first time in all of its glory was a treat and lil Leia was delightful. I loved how they showed her psychic abilities which would give her tremendous advantages in future negotiations as a leader. The city planet had GREAT Blade Runner vibes, it was dark and gritty, you could really smell the air. I love desert locations and having Obi ride an Eopie was an awesome idea. We could need a new one in TVC / BS (after the Blurrg which is long overdue, of course ;) ). Seeing Lars Homestead again, recreated with such incredible attention to detail, brought tears to my eyes. It was as if time had frozen. Those scenes brought me right back to the time of ANH. Hearing some OT themes at the end was nice but it would have been better if they had used them consistently during the whole show since several of the new themes started off in a similar way but continued differently.

However, where there is light there is darkness, too. The shaky cam was pretty distracting in the first episode when Obi met that guy in the desert at night. It was ok in the other eps though. The writing was not perfect. No argument there (why destroy the shield when you could walk around it?). However, despite that I was hooked and could not wait to see how the story continued. This was mostly due to the GREAT performances of Ewan and Hayden. I could watch them for hours. I will definitely binge-watch the show soon. More than once the show pulled a TLJ, a situation that was announced but which was executed very differently than expected. First, the deployment of the troops. I thought hey, now comes the Imperial army with full force, TIE squadrons, bombers etc. But no, only two troop transports. Okaaay... Why Vader did not force-pull Obi across the fire place will be a mystery forever. When Vader referred to his ship I was like, YEAH, he is going to man HIS TIE- erh, shuttle??? Bummer. Apparently the ISD had no TIE fighters at its disposal or how else would you explain that chase without small fighters. They could have taken down the shuttle in minutes. And how come that the shuttle did not try to evade the ISD by using all three dimensions of space? Well, maybe they did not want to be stopped by the space police so they kept flying perfectly straight in front of the ISD. But the biggest missed opportunity will be one that is unforgivable and I really hope that those creative Youtube people will soon release an edit with a fake JEJ voice saying, "Now I have the high ground!" HECK, even "I have you now!" lifted straight from ANH would have made the scene perfect. WTF. UNFORGIVABLE. Biggest head-scratcher ever. Picard facepalm of the century. Ah well. I will say that line myself whenever I re-watch that scene. With fake respiration. All in one. And no-one will ever make me stop doing that.

The galaxy felt VERY small. Seeing only a handful of characters in a shot was strange but maybe a result of the covid restrictions. However, this is no excuse for showing so few aliens. We get plenty of humans, guys in armor, some droids, but WHERE ARE THE OBSCURE ALIENS???

Some effects shots, especially the backgrounds, looked weirdly flat. The skyline of Coruscant stood out as particularly bad. That was surprising since all SW shows before had top-notch VFX. The lightsabers were OK though. I think they made use of the real glowing ones with only minimal editing in post. Nothing to argue about them. And let's pretend the Snowspeeders came from the Star Trek universe since they have Bird of Preys in a dozen different sizes and then we are all good. :D

Moses' performance was alright. Honestly, I do not judge a character by gender, skin colour, orientation or such, so she could have been a green alien with five eyes and tentacles on her head. The character must be interesting and this lies completely in the writing resort. I could understand her motifs. In ep 6 she wanted to hurt Obi by killing young Luke for not being there to protect the younglings back in the temple. But she realized that she would become exactly what she wanted to kill in the first place, so she reconsidered and decided not to harm the kid. It's OK for the small screen. A little more dialogue could have improved the scene here, too.

But the re-match of the century was something I did not expect to turn out THAT well. Geez, I was blown away. The atmosphere was eerie and frightening. Obi lifting rocks like Rey made me laugh out loud but man, that shot was epic. And finally the beaten up Darth Vader---- HASBRO, GIMME A "DARTH VADER (DEFEATED)" NOW! The voice shifting was awesome and refreshing.

So all in all, nice show with room for improvement. Some stupid decisions, but hey, I grew up with the A-Team, so I can overlook them. Worth a re-watch. :)
 
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I would NOT be ok with a second season if it were to continue with ANY interaction with OT characters, but the way they ended up, I can see how they're freed up for more stories.

Where Ben is now, we see that he trusts the Lars to take care of Luke. He's not camped out in the hills, watching every move Luke makes, so he's able to have completely stand alone adventures.

As uneven as the show was, it left Ben in a place that a second season could actually be interesting since they don't have 5 or 6 'bullet points' to hit & the need to build a filler story around them.
 
I still think they should rip off the clone wars Yoda arc on how he obtained blue glowy training. I want to see Obi snort some sand lizards with Tuskens and go on a crazy acid trip into the force. Fear and Loathing in Mos Eisly

For anyone who remembers the Obi-Wan Xbox game end credits, this is the Obi-Wan I want to see going forward

 
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Something that's gnawing at the more I think on the end of the show. Obi-Wan doesn't really try to once more reach out to his friend and bring him back. Yeah he calls him "Anakin" and apologizes. But he doesn't try and once reach him. When we know, per Vader, Obi-Wan once tried to do that.

When Vader asks if he's come to destroy him. And Obi-Wan repeats his line, "I will do what I must." What? No.....The only reason Obi-Wan had given up on Anakin in ROTS is because he was tasked by Yoda to kill Darth Vader. But Obi-Wan should have once, just once tried to reach him. You could have mirrored ROTJ, where Luke tries to reach Anakin, and gets a lightsaber thrown at him.
 
Leia is royalty a Princess, There are levels of etiquette to follow.. They don't talk like regular folk they don't walk like regular folk. They are diplomats to a cause, country or continent, they speak politely but direct and to the point...
Royalty and diplomats also have a security detail around them...Bail forgot that...thus, we have a whole series now because they forgot that interesting detail. Princesses also don't where open holsters but this is Leia were talking about which it's so blatantly obvious that there is no way in heck she knew Kenobi prior to ANH but its ok, we can conjure up so many crazy scenarios to justify why the series works with the OT when it just doesn't....honestly!! So Vader stabs Reva for the 2nd time and doesn't kill her, then throws her a lightsaber back...for what? Oh, to conveniently use it to go after Luke only to not go through with it and give up her lightsaber...come on folks...what was the point of him keeping her alive? We've seen Vader force choke people to death for lesser sins...He's done with her at that point. You can tell they tried to tie everything up in a little bow but that's the problem...it's not a natural flowing story...it's contrived to TRY to fit and it doesn't. That's the problem with doing a prequel...and gap filling. It will NEVER reach the standard of an original so trying to duplicate it invariably lowers the bar.
 
Except that it wasn't Bail that was making the request, at least not directly, it was Leia. You also have to figure that she was recording the message on the fly and didn't have a lot of time to record it. As I said previously, was she supposed to record some sort of pre-amble, saying, "Hey remember me? It's Leia Organa, remember how you rescued me from a bunch of kidnappers back when I was only 9? Well, I need your help again."? She only had a small window of time to record her message leaving her little time for niceties and had to get to the point fairly quickly,
Does not really matter if Bail is making the request directly or Leia is citing the pre-amble of Bail's official request that's she was supposed to present to him in person - either way it's his words from his request, that she's supposed to present to Obi-Wan in person and then take him to Alderaan.

And exactly because she was recording the message on the fly under the stress from the attack , if they had such an important personal connection she wouldn't waste time to make some sort of formal pre-amble about her father, clone wars, her original mission , etc. What you suggested : " It's Leia Organa, remember how you rescued me from a bunch of kidnappers back when I was only 9? Well, I need your help again." makes much more sense in this situation. It's not like "Remember how you fixed my toy robot 9 years ago, here I'm sending you another one"

But more likely she'll jump straight to the point:

"Ben, my ship is under attack. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Ben. You're my only hope.
 
I'm saying more in that when you take a kid from his parent(s), you take on the responsibility... and Obi can see in that moment that when he decided to train Anakin for Qui-gon despite the warnings, this was the end result. There was that moment where Ben even seemed to take issue with being a kid pulled from his parents - he had a brother... same with Reva (taken from parents, then watch her friends die)

I may have read more into it, and need a rewatch, but also felt like Ben went from "I need to train Luke" in the first episode to "yeah... you take him Owen, I'mma let him decide on his own when he's older" in the finale....

But then I barely remember the earlier eps... I'll rewatch down the line
Agreed.
 
Something that's gnawing at the more I think on the end of the show. Obi-Wan doesn't really try to once more reach out to his friend and bring him back. Yeah he calls him "Anakin" and apologizes. But he doesn't try and once reach him. When we know, per Vader, Obi-Wan once tried to do that.

When Vader asks if he's come to destroy him. And Obi-Wan repeats his line, "I will do what I must." What? No.....The only reason Obi-Wan had given up on Anakin in ROTS is because he was tasked by Yoda to kill Darth Vader. But Obi-Wan should have once, just once tried to reach him. You could have mirrored ROTJ, where Luke tries to reach Anakin, and gets a lightsaber thrown at him.
Yes! Exactly this! That absolutely kills me. Whereas I thought a major focus of the show should've involved this, they didn't even attempt to, even in that one scene. Super bizarre oversight or decision making there. They just repeated the same mistake (in my mind) George made at the end of RotS. "Well old friend, you gotta die!!!!"

"Obi-wan once thought as you do..." Erm...when exactly?
 
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Yes! Exactly this! That absolutely kills me. Whereas I thought a major focus of the show should've involved this, they didn't even attempt to even in that one scene. Super bizarre oversight or decision making there. They just repeated the same mistake (in my mind) George made at the end of RotS. "Well old friend, you gotta die!!!!"

"Obi-wan once thought as you did..." Erm...when exactly?
Once. He once thought. One single thought. It was fleeting.
 
Something that's gnawing at the more I think on the end of the show. Obi-Wan doesn't really try to once more reach out to his friend and bring him back. Yeah he calls him "Anakin" and apologizes. But he doesn't try and once reach him. When we know, per Vader, Obi-Wan once tried to do that.

When Vader asks if he's come to destroy him. And Obi-Wan repeats his line, "I will do what I must." What? No.....The only reason Obi-Wan had given up on Anakin in ROTS is because he was tasked by Yoda to kill Darth Vader. But Obi-Wan should have once, just once tried to reach him. You could have mirrored ROTJ, where Luke tries to reach Anakin, and gets a lightsaber thrown at him.

I think they were trying to bridge the gap from ROTS, where Obi-Wan thought Anakin could be saved, to ESB where he says he's more machine now than man. I still think he should have tried to tell him it's still not too late, and then at the end of the duel say he's truly lost.

That's what bugs me about this show and the writers. They almost had something, but couldn't quite cross the finish line. It's like Reva, when she was talking to Obi-Wan through the door and then in this last episode, she almost became a sympathetic character, and then they yank the carpet out and she's crap again.
 
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I think they were trying to bridge the gap from ROTS, where Obi-Wan thought Anakin could be saved, to ESB where he says he's more machine now than man. I still think he should have tried to tell him it's still not too late, and then at the end of the duel say he's truly lost.

That's what bugs me about this show and the writers. They almost had something, but couldn't quite cross the finish line. It's like Reva, when she was talking to Obi-Wan through the door and then in this last episode, she almost became a sympathetic character, and then they yank the carpet out and she's crap again.
Key word... trying....

But I think I blame George for half of that. Obi-Wan doesn't comes across as someone who thinks Anakin can be saved. He basically just chides with him. There's never a heartfelt, 'Anakin come back.' Padmé gets to do that.

This show basically repeats beat for beat Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan basically goes 'what have you done/what have you become. I'm sorry I failed you. Okay, imma going to kill you now. Just kidding I'm going to leave you for dead.'
 
I'm with you both on this one. As incredibly acted that scene was, and it was truly remarkable, it was apparent that Obi-Wan felt guilty, but not concerned with turning him back. Yet he was totally fine to encourage Reva to? idk.
 
We watched episode five and six last night in our condo, and all I can think is that someone wrote fan fiction for this series, and Disney green lit it. There were some really cool moments, for sure…But there a million stupid things that over shadowed them. Some terrible dialogue, and some huge missed opportunities. Why would Kenobi not say Anakin was still an apprentice or something along those lines? It would have “fixed” the master/apprentice dialogue in ANH.

We plan to drink watch these when we get back home, but still have a few days in Florida. We did however really enjoy having lightsabers on the beach after the wedding, and it seriously looked better than the duel in the quarry between Kenobi and Vader.
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I think that it would have been nice to introduce the voice of Qui-Gon speaking to Obi-Wan at some point earlier during the series trying to convince him to try and save Anakin. This could then allow Obi-Wan to go into the final duel with words to try and turn Vader back before clashing swords.

Then as the duel progresses and it becomes clear that Vader cannot be turned back (at this point in time) and Obi-Wan sees the evil within, he might be about to strike him down and correct his earlier mistake, and Qui-Gon's voice would come back and give him a reason to stay his hand (e.g. 'It's not the Jedi way' or 'It is not your destiny' or 'He still has a part to play' etc., providing some mirrors to both Anakin and Mace Windu's actions in RotS).

Vader wouldn't hear the voice and would be expecting Obi-Wan to kill him, and then would be further humiliated when he's allowed to live, deepening his hatred even further.

If they could have weaved something like that into the dialogue they already had, then I think that would have been an even more compelling end to the duel.

Then Qui-Gon could have appeared physically as he did at the end and say that Obi-Wan's mercy and Vader's revelation on ending Anakin will free him of his guilt.

Edit: Just realised that disembodied voices popping up at the end of a fight probably cuts too close to the ending of TROS! Although in that instance she most definitely doesn't let the old man live!

Edit 2: And also realising that 'not striking someone down' hues very closely to Luke in TLJ (although context very obviously different with Vader already being quite evil and probably deserving it!).
 
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