Star Wars Obi-Wan Kenobi (tv series)

I honestly prefer the grittiness and tech of the OT vs the CGI of the PT etc. Not just because i'm an OT fan but because everything feels a bit more real to me and less computerized. Seeing the puppet Yoda is way better than the cgi Yoda for example. The lightsabers were weathered and dirty(as they should be) not pristine like the prequels but i get the difference between war time and peace time.(Hard to shine those boots with bullets flying but the maintenance and operation of the m16 is vital to your safety and others so...there is a case to be made for sure) just my preference. I like Tatooine...I like the wild west...i like dirty revolvers as opposed to shiny...you get the drift
 
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I’m not caught up with what’s being said in this thread but I thought I’d share my opinion.

I didn’t have high hopes for this series. I wasn’t too impressed with the first two episodes of Kanobi, but it gets better and better with each episode. The last episode which is episode 6 is very good. They finally did us old hard core Star Wars fans a solid show with episode 6. I hope they continue with that quality with a season 2. Congratulations Kathleen Kennedy you pulled something off with Star Wars that deserves merit in my opinion.
 
Overall it was fine for me. At the end of the duel, I really thought that OB1 would try harder to convince Vader to turn back to the good side, in order to pay off Vader's ROTJ line "OB1 once thought as you do..." But he didn't present any argument for Anakin to turn back. Was just like, "Yep, you're still evil...Well...see ya."

And was it just me, or was Obi-Wan's swipe to Vader's head (that cut through his helmet) in the same spot as the massive scar we see on Vader's head after his unmasking in ROTJ? I thought that was cool to explain the source of that scar.

The 55mph star destroyer pursuit—during which several characters had leisurely and quite calm conversations—was weird, and definitely caused my TLJ-associated PTSD to flare up.
 
The finale wasn't too bad. The main problem this show has, as I've said, is that you've got too many people who are incompetent and there's no way the Empire wouldn't have found everyone. The duel was pretty good other than Obi-Wan picking up a mountain of rocks, that was too videogame-y. The part with Anakin talking through the helmet was really good, but would have made a much bigger impact if we hadn't already seen the same thing on The Force Unleashed and Rebels. Also some of the dialogue with Bail Organa about "If you ever need any help..." they might as well have put the text "WINK" on there. I thought it would have been cool if he told Leia to always trust her feelings/instincts, because that would make sense, but didn't happen. I did like the "Hello there." at the end, that was pretty good. Oh and finally you have the fact that the Lars homestead is completely compromised as a safe haven for Luke, but let's just stay there for ten more years and cross our fingers!
 
The 55mph star destroyer pursuit—during which several characters had leisurely and quite calm conversations—was weird, and definitely caused my TLJ-associated PTSD to flare up.
Rule # 366 of Disney SW content, you never have to overlook complete ridiculousness just once. In fact the going response to fans saying "oh that was awful" is to double down and do it again lol. :oops:
 
My thoughts on the last episode and this season....

That episode was most definitely the best of the bunch. Reva's conclusion(?) was fairly good. It seemed like a logical choice for her character. Someone so full of hate can only go one of two directions. And since Star Wars is mostly a hopeful story and almost everyone gets a chance of redemption. Though it would have been nice to see it play out longer.(see agent Kallus for a really good one)

Seeing and hearing Qui-Gon was so amazing, though he inherited Obi-Wan's scary wig and beard from AOTC sadly... but I still grinned like a kid on Christmas.

I loved how fierce Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru were in defending Luke. Didn't even hesitate, even though they were going up against a lightsaber.


The rematch between Vader and Obi-Wan was pretty good. Better than the previous fight. But it certainly could have used more polish. Felt like someone was a fan of SWTOR.
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But I think it's this duel and relationship between Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan that really defines this show. I'm going to say it. I don't think this show is a good prequel to A New Hope. But.... It's excellent sequel to Revenge of the Sith. I don't know if we'll ever be able to completely rectify vastly different relationships between Obi-Wan and his fallen brother, Anakin. And Obi-Wan's former student who killed his friends and murdered Anakin. This duel takes away from the duel in A New Hope. But it adds to the duel in Revenge of the Sith. This show just sits in a strange muddy area.
 
So wasn’t Bail supposed to be going to Tatooine to check on Luke? Whatever happened to that?

Also FINALLY someone went after Vaders control box during a fight! It was a little weird that when you could see Anakin’s face , it didn’t seem like he was actually mouthing the words he was saying?
 
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Great series overall.

I'm guessing Vader must have at least a couple of extra helmets sitting around for when his current one gets chopped up a bit and this can explain why at different times the helmets look different. I'm wondering how long it is going to take for the chopped version to show up in the junkyard.
That's, a really interesting point.. And from a merch point of view certainly more variants... Heck that gorgeous RMc mask could make an entrance in live Action if he takes enough hits !

Vader's redemption (which was Luke's victory as a hero) is the very best part of Return of the Jedi. Hands down.
What I loved in that Father Son moment was just how large and ominous Vader looked against luke as he leaned in to remove his helmet.

IIRC they show Ben riding off after meeting Luke in an open desert, then it cuts to show Ben riding with the canyon ahead of him. The scenes are not cut as a though-line, it's possible Ben rode for hours away from the Lars homestead before he comes up on the canyon.
I might be wrong but was that the same canyon in TPM Podrace scenes?

He forgot to feed his space camel! Can't this poor guy do anything right?
That Jawa prolly saw an opertunity...

Owen being cowardly and wanting to run, and Beru being a badass with a hidden cache of weapons makes it faithful to the canon set in Kevin Rubio's Troops.
Troops was so bad ass when it came out.. I was on dial up and had to wait like twenty minutes for it to download stutter.. I watched the cleaned up version recently and still love both its humour and ideas.. I'm sure they homage it in The Mandolorian with those two Troopers calibration of their guns..

I can't add anything not already said but what I will say is I got chills down my spine with the Vader/Obi Face Off.. This was hands down the best episode for me and did actually connect and intertwine with the OG movies..
I hesitate on wanting another but also look forward to more Kenobi and feel it's the best show with OT characters thus far..
I did feel we got to see a chink in Vader's armour both literally and emotionally..

Hes a very complex individual

I think this is the first series that I have got teary over, be it the nostalgia or something else but overall I liked it and can't wait to watch it with my son.
 
Overall it was fine for me. At the end of the duel, I really thought that OB1 would try harder to convince Vader to turn back to the good side, in order to pay off Vader's ROTJ line "OB1 once thought as you do..." But he didn't present any argument for Anakin to turn back. Was just like, "Yep, you're still evil...Well...see ya."

And was it just me, or was Obi-Wan's swipe to Vader's head (that cut through his helmet) in the same spot as the massive scar we see on Vader's head after his unmasking in ROTJ? I thought that was cool to explain the source of that scar.

The 55mph star destroyer pursuit—during which several characters had leisurely and quite calm conversations—was weird, and definitely caused my TLJ-associated PTSD to flare up.
To be fair ISDs only go 60 MGLT.
 
The final episode had some beats that worked for me but I still can't say I was blown away. No real surprises to be had though I did think it was one of the better episodes of the show.

I loooooooved hearing some of the established musical themes and am truly baffled why they didn't use them more throughout the series. They hit so much better than the generic stuff we mostly got.

Not sure why Vader's ISD apparently had no TIE fighters or tractor beams. Looked like we were about to settle into another slow speed chase.

The final duel was weird and lackluster. I haaaaaated that Obi-wan didn't make a single attempt to redeem his old friend. In my mind, that should've been the focus of the show, not Leia. Anyway, the damaged helmet stuff was predictable and cheesy but could've been worse I guess. I had a feeling they couldn't resist doing the "cool" battledamaged Vader look, especially with Hayden being brought back. That said, I actually thought he was strangely underutilized overall, with hardly any flashbacks. This duel makes the DS duel 10 years later seem even more out of place. Obi-wan must reeeeeally go downhill in these final 10 years. I did kinda like how he called Vader "Darth", however.

Reva going to the homestead was dumb and I hated that whole subplot. It honestly felt like her story ended in the last episode but they still needed something else for her to do. Who knew Luke had already encountered an evil, lightsaber wielding lunatic when he was 10? I will say I thought Moses Ingram's acting was much better at the end, with her expression of crushing remorse and guilt. I liked that, even though her character just didn't work for me overall. For all the recent talk about lightsaber impalements, I can only laugh that it was even more marginalized to the point of being a minor inconvenience. I honestly briefly forgot she had even been stabbed at first. If this hadn't already been shot a year ago, I'd say Disney is just trolling those of us who have an issue with their blase handling of such a serious wound. "Tis but a flesh wound!"

Though occasionally a little too precocious for my tastes, I thought young Leia was well cast. If I squinted at the right moments, I could almost see Carrie Fisher in some of her expressions and mannerisms. I thought she did a good job selling me on this character being a young Princess Leia. I suppose I'll buy Obi-wan's comments about basically not acting like they knew each other. It's weak but I'll go with it. It's whatever.

I also was way more on board with Bonnie Piesse and especially Joel Edgerton as Beru and Owen. I really didn't think I'd ever buy them in those roles but they did a fine job with what they were given in the show.

While I never honestly loved Ewan as Obi-wan as much as many seem to, I thought he was great and the emotion he showed at the end of his duel with Vader was very nice. I just never bought that he turns into Alec Guinness and frankly still don't. He's fine as his own take on the character but they never have felt like the same person to me.

Qui-gon's return honestly felt like an afterthought and I even wondered if it was added late, perhaps as a response to fan speculation that he would surely return (right?!). The show almost felt like it was originally supposed to cut to credits as soon as Obi-wan said "Hello there". For me, that would've been a great way to wrap it up and a nod to fans that weirdly have made memes of that line. Then again, Qui-gon was referenced throughout the show so maybe they just couldn't come up with a better way to do it. It was neat to see Liam Neeson again but his just popping up in the middle of the desert didn't quite have the emotion and gravitas I thought they'd give his reappearance after all these years.

Generally speaking while I didn't hate the show, I felt it was pointless and added nothing to the canon. It never justified its existence as far as I'm concerned. I really hope they don't do another season. A few times I saw glimmers of potential of what it could be but I just don't think they can pull it off. Just put it to bed. I didn't hate it; I didn't love it. It's done and let's move on. That is that.
 
3 things for me that stuck out for me from the finale:

  • Obi-Wan is sporting a Kenner robe at the end of the episode (a robe with no sleeves).
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  • That evil smile Vader flashed when He said “…you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker…I did…” was pretty chilling. I can see why Obi-Wan would later describe him as “twisted and evil”.
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  • “You’ll Be Dead Guy” never got his cameo. Broken dreams and no ice creams for me…
 
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3 things for me that stuck with me from the finale:

  • Obi-Wan is sporting a Kenner robe at the end of the episode (a robe with no sleeves).
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  • That evil smile Vader flashed when He said “…you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker…I did…” was pretty chilling. I can see why Obi-Wan would later describe him as “twisted and evil”.
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  • “You’ll Be Dead Guy” never got his cameo. Broken dreams and no ice creams for me…
Not just the Kenner toy.
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So, uh, again, I don't have Disney+ and I don't have much to add to the discussion, but my irrational love of Star Wars compels me, like a battered housewife hoping he'll change one day, that I stay abreast with the new stuff and saw the end bits of Kenobi already on the web.

...It's okay, I guess. The gratuitous "Force porn" is something that exists now and, while I don't care for it at all, I guess that's where we're at now. However, there were bits with Owen and Ben, and later with Qui-Gon and Ben, that really work for me and feels like this is the meat of the show; this is what was really important aside from the Force porn. Pensive, quiet, and melancholic doldrums of being stuck in a backwater where everyone hates you. Maybe not "Star Wars (TM)" but perfect for the setting. From what I gather, the show doesn't exactly live up to that but it's nice there's at least those moments that approach it.
 
But so, they didn’t credit Liam Neeson, but they did credit the other returning cameo role… so was that a deepfake Qui-Gon? With reused lines and/or an AI voice?
 
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