STAR WARS Episode IX

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  1. sztriki

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    I don’t really get this big expectation of Luke in Ep9. It’s not like he and Rey particularly bonded or anything. The only character where his presemce would make sense is Kylo but he pretty much gave up on him by the end.
     
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    THAT is exactly why 8 was a complete waste.

     
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  3. MrSouthpaw

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    Disney has to try and win back those fans that were turned away from how TLJ turned out. To even begin to have a chance at that they have to ensure they do something significant and positive with Luke and fix the other failures of TLJ.

    Basically, without extremely positive word of mouth the first week to draw back those divided fans. EP9 will likely make less than EP8 at best, and as poorly as Solo at worst.
     
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  4. halliwax

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    I hope Luke’s force ghost haunts kylo ren.


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  5. sztriki

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    Not sure if I linked this, but I can so picture it like this.

     
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  6. annanake

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    Well they could have .......

    Ezra from the Rebels cartoon find the time temple he found in the last episodes of the show .

    Luke disappeared because Ezra pulled him through into the temple . Boom not dead !!!!

    The knights of Ren could show up, explaining what they were doing during TLJ. They were shadowing Ezra and looking for the same temple .

    They could even bring Ahsoka into live action through the temple. Boom that would kick ads !!!!!

    Luke could see Leia get sucked out into space and he been the one to pull her back on the ship using the temple . Boom no more Mary Poppins !!!!!

    JJ could fix pretty much whatever he wants to using the hidden time temple of magic force juju .

    Plus it would be cool to see a 40 something Ezra fighting the Knights of Ren .
     
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    "If I knew you were going to pull your pants up that high all the time, I really would have killed you in that hut... Your grandather was half robot, and even he wore his pants in the right place."

    "You know nothing of Vader and his Power! Be silent."

    "Again, with always being wrong Ben. You had to have gotten that from Han. of course I know more about your Grandfather than you. I met him, Twice. I cremated his body; his pants were exactly where a normal person would put them. Tell you what let me go find him, he's a ghost around here too, a real pock faced little whiner like you. Give me a minute, I think I know where he is... if you thought you astral projected into the same room as Rey a lot, just wait till you meet your granddad. He's got a thing for svelte girls with dark hair, and some real boundary issues."

    *covers his ears* "Force * it, Uncle! Shut up!"
     
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  9. Kovnyn

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    Those of us who watched Rebels would get it, the rest of the world would be confused as all get out.

    Besides, the temple on Lothal was destroyed, and while it appeared there were other access points to the time nexus, I hope they never use it again. It could completely undo all of the OT. It could undo the entire star wars universe. Oh no, maybe that's the entire premise behind the RJ trilogy!
     
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    Can’t agree more.. leave the temple of time alone. Even though it brought back my girl Ashoka I could have lived with out this new mechanic in the Star Wars universe..

    I can see them simply say Luke vanishing at the end of TLJ was just another Jedi trick.. “instant transmission” for us DBZ fans.

    Do I agree with it no.. I didn’t like the way jake skyw... I mean Luke Skywalker left.. but he’s gone.. leave it that way.. have him come back as a force ghost great

    I got a gut feeling JJ will step it up.. maybe even have Luke return to the physical world like obi wan was supposed to in RoTJ to help Luke physically fight Vader.. god help us.. I’m counting this trilogy dead


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  11. mattycsi

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    What if.. Luke's effort for the transmission is so intense that he is sucked into the force. A similar way to Carol Anne being pulled across the veil in Poltergeist.

    So he is both force ghost but still alive, but on the other side.
    Somehow he gets spat out by the force somewhere, he knows what he has to do, he has to go sh..balls crazy on someone's * in a do or die or mission and he knows that even if he dies he will become powerful than anyone could ever imagine. Luke going at it the way Vader did at the end of R1.

    Then we can have him as full on proper force ghost in 10,11,12
     
  12. annanake

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    Why wouldn't people get it ?

    They don't know who Ezra is ?

    We still don't know who Snoke was ?!?

    We still don't know who, where, what or how Rey is ?!?

    Captian Phasma ? Umm nope got nothing ?!?

    Holdo ?!? She popped out of nowhere !?!

    I say go full doc Brown .

    Go back 50 years and hire a new bounty hunter trying to make a name for himself , some young punk named Jango Fett to kill a senator from naboo name o Sheev !

    Then you could end the story where it began last chapter Called ...

    STAR
    PEACE !
     
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  13. Mr Webber

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    This things gunna be all over the place like a mad dogs breakfast.
     
  14. Egon Spengler

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    They need a 4th film to fix the crap we got from the 1st and 2nd. Also I want to see Maz get killed. She's more annoying than Jar Jar.
     
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    That could’ve been written by R.Johnson , since he has a penchant for slapstick/ ridiculously , inappropriate humour .
    Well..., maybe not , considering I found it to be pretty funny - in a Star Wars related way , unlike his film .



    :cheersGed
     
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  16. mcoractual

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    If Shane Black's The Predator is any indication of allowing the most disjointed, slapped together script ever put on the big screen as of yet... I would say you might have some merit there. How that movie was ever allowed to make it through pre-production is beyond me.
     
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    I predict much of the same.

    Cinematic masterpiece, trainwreck narrative.
     
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  18. Psab keel

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    Crystal Skull had the same issue. Just a collection of different story concepts mashed together into one disjointed script.
     
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  19. Lightning

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    Well, I sort of figured that's what happened, the only problem is that he comes back to the island before he fades away. The special effect should have had him fade out while in full concentration mode.
     
  20. cboath

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    How about he wasn't actually on Ach-To at all - he was projecting himself there :)
     
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    Now that is some crazy * Inception **** there boy. Wait, did the Lightsaber stop spinning or now?
     
  22. Strikerkc

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    Makes total sense to me. Force project yourself into one place, put on a real robe over your force projection, then force project yourself into another place with a robe made of the force. I mean, who the hell can force project two robes at once? That'd be taking things a little to far. :p
     
  23. cboath

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    Admittedly I was being a bit smart-assed about it, but, a scene with rain had like one drop make it back to kylo while the rest didn't. Kinda sorta the same thing as the robe...or, the fact that the falcon dice were still on the ground in the bunker after he'd gone, both from Crait and Ach-To.
     
  24. Marv

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    The only good Star Wars movies out there have Stormtroopers in it not clowns (that was intentional) or first order troops what ever they are - simples!
     
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    Unconfirmed (obviously, this early), but someone purporting to work on posters and packaging and other such materials, and who thus has early access to principal photography reference has the following spoilers about Episode IX...

    Kylo's look has "matured", from a more regal and silver-trimmed costume to a more slickly groomed appearance to the Eyes of the Sith or whatever they're called.

    His helmet returns, in a way, being the helmet of a unit of red-and-black Stormtroopers attached to him.

    We finally meet the Knights of Ren, who are all women.

    Rey has also matured and formalized in appearance, looking more knightly, and having repaired the busted Anakin 'saber into an unstable crossguard 'saber like Kylo's.

    Finn is described as wearing a vest, carrying "a big-* rifle", and having a bunch of grenades and other hardware on him. Poe is described as looking very jungle-ops -- unshaven, dirty green outfit, etc.
     
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    Ren’s Harem !? :whistle::unsure:
     
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  27. Potroclo

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    Specially trained in armpit-level pants unbuttoning
     
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  28. cboath

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    I guess it's sad that i'm not surprised that all that seems dumb, meaning probably true :(
     
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    Hey!

    oops may be considered spoiler... so redacted.
     
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  31. The Searcher

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    I’m not sure what to say about this....
     
  32. JBLAKE

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    TLJ destroyed any semblance of a story that JJ started to tell. Its over. Not many care anymore
     
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    I've considered JJ to be the destroyer of franchises, and I was counting on TLJ to right JJ's wrongs. Now here I am hoping JJ can somehow save the mess Ruin left for us, and I know he's not up to it :unsure:
     
  34. halliwax

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    I am a huge JJ fan, always have been. I seriously can see how anyone can bring this back..

    I’m not being a negative nelly.. I just seriously sit back and try to imagine stories that could save it and really can’t think of anything

    Rey beat kylo twice.. so now she’s going to beat him again?

    I would have loved to see Luke have a wife.. and him going into exile because his padawans, wife and daughter were slaughtered.. only for us to realize his daughter was dumped off on jakku by her crazy cousin who lead a army of dark knights into Luke’s temple to slaughter everyone and he couldn’t find it in his conflicting heart to kill his own cousin..

    That was my thought going into TLJ.. now I don’t know or care with this new trilogy goes.. and I was such a HUGE supporter of it.. now I don’t care

    Stopped reading the books, stopped buying the comics. I refuse to give Disney any more money until they sit back, and remove the politics out of Star Wars

    That’s why I watch Star Wars to begin with.. to forget about on this conflict in the world.. now we got all these hidden messages..
     
  35. Egon Spengler

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    The new Trilogy is the Highlander 2 of Star Wars.
     
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  36. Dontdissthefett

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    This is the way I feel. I’ve generally liked anything that JJ had done, including “Lost”.

    It took a little while to get used to the ST but I really like TFA and was excited for the new trilogy. TLJ was different in every way and seemed completely disconnected from the movie and the franchise it was supposed to be a sequel to. It turned Star Wars into a comedic parody of itself that played out like a cartoon caricature of what it should have been. After seeing it, I lost interest in Star Wars as a whole for a while.

    With JJ taking the helm for IX, I’m pretty confident he’ll try to bring back the ST from way left of center. He’s got so much backtracking to do so we’ll see how it pans out. I’m just not very confident I care much anymore about it anymore TBH.
     
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  37. Marv

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    Don't think there is any way to salvage the films TFA derailed them but TLJ absolutely killed them for me.
     
  38. laszlo

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    Even after the travesty of Attack of the Clones I cared about what happened next. In fact I've always cared about the next chapter. It's quite amazing that EP 8 could completely derail my interest in EPIX - that's a real feat I can tell you. Who knows how this disconnected piece of story telling will end. I wish I cared.
     
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    One thing that is very clear about this apparent very last installment in the skywalker saga. That being all skywalkers will perish in one way or another. If they don't then it is obviously not the end of the skywalker saga.
    With all that is wrong with this Disney trilogy I find the most glaring problem being I don't know or at this point now know what Kylos motivation is. His deep hatred for his family and Luke it makes no sense. Flat out murdered his father and no real reason given.

    Say what you will about Lucas but to me he kept me interested even through some fumblings with the prequels it all made sense at the end.

    *Most Importantly the story had a true and moving ending and reason why. That is why I loved them so much.

    I see that JJ tried to set up something that could have been well liked and enjoyed if it was proceeded in 8 to all be connected.
    This is the Skywalker family story after all. For that two bit no talent hack of R Johnson to be handed the Golden Baton to carry on and add to the wonder of this beloved Universe Far Far Away and ruin everything swiftly in one film is the saddest thing this franchise could have Ever asked for.

    I wanted to care, believe me I did and I struggled to do so with TFA but I did care to only be so very let down more than I could have imagined.
    It is not Star Wars to me. To me from what I am seeing it is just a vehicle to demise and destroy almost every one of my beloved OT Heroes.

    So sad now that they continued the saga. The end of the OT left me with such an upbeat and happy feeling. To me that is the true end of the Skywalker Saga. Disneys poor attempt at a continuation served nothing but to take away the love of the franchise we all grew to love and shove this new Meaningless poor, actually zero character driven nothingness.

    I like the new trio of heroes but they went no where with them. Sad because Rey could have been amazing. Never liked Kylo, not from the minute he showed up onscreen. The whole wearing the helmet for no reason at all is so very childish and had no pay off what so ever.

    The worst has to be R Johnson blaming his failure on the Real Fans love of the Franchise. Via name calling, telling people to grow up. R J you grow up.....better yet get a clue what the Star Wars Story is about. Guess what, he could not miss the point any more in his childish barbs. Majority of us Love the OT till this day because it meant something to us, whether we loved it with family, friends or even on our own. The OT movies were a truly fun exciting escape for many. After all. Our main OT Hero Luke Skywalker himself said he " Fundamentally disagreed with what R J did with his character )

    Like many here are saying. It's over. It actually has been since ROTJ and what a wonderful world it is once that is fully realized.
     
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  40. Bigdaddy

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    This reads like the Star Wars eulogy thread! ;)
     
  41. Egon Spengler

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    Theres a lot I like about TLJ but theres more I think just didn't work than did. I loved how Snoke was taken out. LOVED IT. Loved the fight in the throne room too. Loved seeing the ship crashing into the other ship and yeah I liked seeing Leia use the force. I loved seeing Luke punk Kylo. I even didn't mind Luke teasing Rey when training her. It was a nice Yoda like ha ha moment. What I don't like is that at the end of the film it leaves you feeling empty. I mean geez, at the end of Empire you felt some hope, but at the end of this.. it's basically like what, 15 people on the Falcon and some kid with a broom and the force on that lame Casino planet? I even liked Rose. She was a sweet character but the whole Finn and Rose relationship felt forced. I'm looking forward to this trilogy ending not because of wanting to see the end but because I just want it to be done so maybe they can move on to something worth watching. I'd love to be wrong. I'd LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the last film to explain and rap this trilogy up in a nice package and redeem the other films in it. I don't think that's going to happen.

    I also want to add that Admiral Holdo is the perfect example of someone who IS NOT A LEADER. She's a perfect example of someone who doesn't lead. She is way too into her own position to think anyone lower than her has any value in their thoughts of the situations. Yeah, Poe did some dumb stuff, but he was PERFECTLY in the right to wonder why and to be suspicious of her non action in their desperate situation. Instead of giving the people fearing they are certain to meet their doom a sliver of hope, she leaves them all in the dark and looks down on, and not with understanding, towards those that are panicking and assuming she might be a traitor. She's not worth of her position and those that questioned her had every reason to do so. She was a pathetic person and far from anyone that should have been leading anyone. It's like not feeding your dog for days and being surprised and disappointed when it bites your hand when you feed it. People crap on Rose and Rey and Jar Jar, but geez, Holdo is the worst of them all.
     
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  42. Psab keel

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    In a lot of ways it is a eulogy. To be fair, Episode 8 had a LOT riding on it. After the divisiveness of the prequels a lot of fans felt burned. The TFA came out and was under Disney's banner and people were hopeful. George Lucas was passing it off to the fans to make the new chapters of the saga. Surely they understood what made it special and would handle it with care. Right?

    The TFA script was being penned partly by Lawrence Kasdan. Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford were all returning. Things were looking up. When I saw Stormtroopers in the first teaser I said to myself, even after 30 years they STILL haven't wiped out the Empire? In the films timeline, the Republic had fallen and the Galactic Civil War raged all in the span of about 30 plus years. Now we are returning to the story 30 plus years after that and they are still fighting the same battle?

    Over 60 years of essentially the same conflict? Sure the battle between the Light and the Dark is eternal in storytelling, but at some point this story HAS to end.

    I liked TFA when I initially saw it. I didn't love it, but I was hopeful. It was derivative but I felt perhaps they will do some new, interesting things and I was on board but that would all depend on what came next. Return of the Jedi was a fitting end to the saga. Anything added to it was just a bonus and it felt like if they were going to continue the Skywalker saga, it better have something important to add to the series. What have any of the films outside of the OT added?

    Nothing.

    Just like the Prequels and Rogue One didn't really add anything to the existing trilogy of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi, the sequel trilogy is merely filler. All of the exposition that laid the groundwork for these additions to the original three was present in the originals themselves and they were really self contained. The new films lack exposition for us to have better context of our characters, which is partly why they are weaker characters. Could these additional films have been spectacular? Perhaps. The problem is that what made the original films a success in the first place is also what make the new films failures by comparison. Every single movie that has come out since Jedi has also relied entirely on what came before so that they could never stand on their own. Whether or not that's fair is not as relevant to the arguement as much as understanding the limited structure of the series.

    I think at it's core Star Wars was such a seismic hit because it was so open to different interpretations. Anyone could read anything they wanted into the movies and it means something different for every viewer. Even George Lucas admits that the success of the films was largely in part to the "psychological underpinnings that have existed for thousands of years." To the point that he even changes his mind constantly about the real themes of the films.

    When even the creator can't make up his mind about his own films, why would WE be so arrogant to think that we would have a definitive answer?

    People say that Star Wars is so expansive and the possibilities for stories within it are endless. Think about that idea though. Like really objectively think about that for a few minutes. Is it really that limitless? Even all of the novels and comics and video games have ALL centered on the same things. There really is only so much you can do within that structure before you change Star Was into something else under the Sci-Fi banner.

    So before anyone claims that I, or any other fan of the OT for that matter, is just some cynic who can't handle new ideas, honestly ask yourself if it IS possible to make something that would live up to those original three films, then why hasn't anyone else been able to do it in the last 40 years?

    Rather than try and poke holes in the original trilogy to defend your stance on derivative sequels, prequels, and spin offs, the fact that the OT has a legacy that has stood the test of time is evidence that they stand on their own and any additions are truly unnecessary.

    It's a complete story. Perhaps this talk of it being like a eulogy is just acknowledgement of that fact. It had a beginning, a middle, and an end and we are just now realizing it because we love it so much we just couldn't bear the idea that it's been over since 1983.
     
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  43. Kovnyn

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    I'm looking forward to IX now for a couple reasons.

    First, with the glimmer of hope that the ST can be redeemed to at least TFA level of enjoyment. I did enjoy TFA until TLJ arrived and took a giant dump all over it. Hopefully IX will be able to wash the taste of VIII out of my mouth and allow me to go from VII to IX and just skip VIII altogether for future viewing. A sequel duology, as it were.

    Second, I'm looking forward to IX with the morbid fascination of watching the outcome of a major disaster. A train wreck with a chemical spill, a tsunami and nuclear meltdown, how much worse can the situation get? Can the ST now go from bad to even worse? Will it be an historic event in its cataclysmic failure?

    Sadly, the second reason is far more likely than the first. This will probably be the only Star Wars movie to date that I have not seen on opening night since ROTS.
     
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  44. Psab keel

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    8 was the lynch pin for me and for a LOT of fans. I initially really liked the prequels, even though there was a lot that didn't make sense to me. Something was off and I couldn't put my finger on it for years. After I learned more about story structure and studying films I finally understood why I felt that way and I realized how bad they truly are. As I said, I was on board for TFA, not entirely as I was hesitant, but I had hope.

    Rogue One was meh, but 8 was either going to make it or break it and I went opening night. I honestly almost walked out of the theater. You can't have your characters openly mock the tropes of your series (unless it had been well established with that character) and then expect your audience to buy into those very same tropes at the end of your movie. It's not just bad writing, it's actually insulting the intelligence of your viewers by pulling a bait and switch. I'm not sure about you all, but I don't take kindly to being talked down to. Then if that wasn't bad enough we had an entire year of Lucasfilm and Rian Johnson outright insulting fans for not liking being served a * on a platter.

    I skipped Rogue One opening night. I skipped Solo entirely and have no intention of ever seeing it. I will skip 9. As I said I am out. I'll perhaps watch the trailers, maybe even read a synopsis if I ever get tempted, but I won't be there at the theater. There is no going back now. There is no way to undo the damage that has been done to the story and characters that meant so much to me all my life.
     
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  45. niennumb1

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    There is always hope. As much as TLJ left a sour taste in my mouth it can move forward.

    Such as people, we are flawed and have moments we’re not proud of, but it’s how we learn, move forward from and let go of what was and make the best of the rest of the journey.

    It’s definitely damaged beyond repair of the legacy characters’ possibility of ever being on screen together again, but what is needed is a compelling continuation from where things left off that make everything the alliance fought for worth the current efforts being made to destroy the rest of the First Order.

    I do believe Abrams cares and I think he’s going to do the best he can.

    If there was one great thing Lucas had it was absolute control of every aspect of the films and 20th Century Fox’s role was just to distribute it, which is the very reason he wanted to avoid big studios having control of his franchise. Now there’s top brass and execs making demands of what needs to be in the movies and is what is preventing some of these films from having heart with a good message and story telling in favor of these underlying agendas.
     
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  46. Psab keel

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    Oh it will go on. I just won't be there. I done hoping and it's over for me.
     
  47. niennumb1

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    If you’re done then you may want to change that thumbnail :)
     
  48. Psab keel

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    I will always love the OT, I'm just done with this new content they keep churning out.
     
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  49. Egon Spengler

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    Screw the trilogy format for this series and make 4. Will need 4 to clean this mess up proper. I wont be in a rush to see the next film.
     
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  50. mugatu

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    I also want to add that KATHLEEN KENNEDY is the perfect example of someone who IS NOT A LEADER. She's a perfect example of someone who doesn't lead. She is way too into her own position to think anyone lower than her has any value in their thoughts of the situations. Yeah, HAMILL WAS UNDER CONTRACT, but he was PERFECTLY in the right to wonder why and to be suspicious of her non action in their desperate situation. Instead of giving the people fearing they are certain to meet their doom a sliver of hope, she leaves them all in the dark and looks down on, and not with understanding, towards those that are panicking and assuming she might be a traitor. She's not worthy of her position and those that questioned her had every reason to do so. She was a pathetic person and far from anyone that should have been leading anyone. It's like not feeding your dog for days and being surprised and disappointed when it bites your hand when you feed it. People crap on Rose and JJ and RIAN JOHNSON, but geez, KATHLEEN KENNEDY is the worst of them all.


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