Star Wars Blu ray... we have to change our props !!!

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by Madrid Boba, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. Madrid Boba

    Madrid Boba Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Hello all,


    Recently i bought the Star Wars Blue ray set. :)

    Well, maybe you may think..."so?"


    What is the important thing about it?, and ..what does it have to do with Star Wars props?


    It is like giving new eyes to a blind person. :confused

    I am able to see things that i never noticed before...

    Lets take a look to one of the things that surprised me !! Yoda clothing has grey stripes on the arms !!!! I will have to change mine !!!! (maybe it came from a Poncho or similar)

    (I had to take the pic from the TV, as I can not read Blu Ray in my PC)


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    It is amazing how many scratches, bumps, holes, white adhesive tape on the stormtroopers chest and arms (for the explosions)... plastic bubble wrap on the snowspeeder shoulder harnesses.... and so many other things that i cannot tell all..!!


    Have you discover new things also? :confused


    Should we make a list? :confused



    Alfredo
     
  2. batbassi

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    In A New Hope, when they are trying to escape from the detention center, you can see Harrison Ford's make up rubbing off on his Stormtrooper armor chest/neck area.
     
  3. The_Blues

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    I was rather surprised to see that for the battle on Hoth the costume designers put pieces of bubblewrap on the snowspeeders pilots seatbelts. Guerilla propmaking I guess. :D
     
  4. Madrid Boba

    Madrid Boba Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yes The_Blues !! But not only there.

    if you look in ANH when they are in the trash compactor, one of the things that they try to use to stop the walls from crushing them, has the same kind of wrapping material, but with the big bubbles !!! lol
     
  5. division 6

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    Bubble wrap is in SW and Trek.
    Saw the bubbles back in the 80's.

    The mic Han blasts in the detention center is a pencil holder (I used to have one)
     
  6. Landstalker

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    Props back then were basic. I had a SW encyclopedoa thingy with lots of equipment pics in. They really did use anything they could find lying around. Today everything is custom made to order, laser cut etc. Time moved on, new processes became cheaper to use and more readily available etc.

    BTW, The BR versions of SW look fantastic.
     
  7. robstyle

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    I fast forwarded through Star Wars yesterday and all the little things I had always seen such as wonky set builds, paint drips and duct tape were noticeable ten fold. What stuck out like a sore thumb on one troopers arm was a 2" strip of black duct tape. Out of all the changes and supposed "fixes" why R5 is still next to R2 after he blows up is still there? So are 3PO's blinking eyes in the sand crawler. And did the blue milk turn gray?
     
  8. Cocomando

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    I find it strange that some of you with so many posts didn't know this .
    The films were produced on shoe string budget , most of which went into camera and computer tech. for filming .

    The props were built from an abundance of found parts most of which appear throught the movie .
    Prop building back then was about disguising things with odd looking finds , parts that you'd over look , it's found object sculpture .

    Anything can be made into a prop , some of the blasters in the prequels are made from pipe conectors and spray guns . With that then what do you thing the OT props were made from , i dout they had the time or tech. to sculpt and resin produce as they do nowadays.
     
  9. robstyle

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    Cocomando, dont buy into that.

    The budget for SW was actually not a shoe string budget, it was ten million 1976 dollars. If memory serves the FX was one million in the hole with not much usable footage in the can. Im not 100% on that but I do recall something of that nature being penned.

    There is no way SW as we know it could have been made on a shoe string budget. The cost of the sets and locations alone would halt the film if that were fact. The prequel trilogy was just terrible in its props. It was all bass akwards as were the films themselves but whats done is done. The OT was dirty, had ambiance and atmosphere, it had food in its yellow teeth. The PT was sterile, clean, cold, lacking... It was like making Indiana Jones go hunt for an alien ship or something.
     
  10. Cocomando

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    don't get me wrong Rob , i'm a UKG ISS 501st member , the OT are my favourite film (i call it film because all 3 make the story ), i'll belive what you say , but the parts are still found objects , disguised .
    Thats the way props should be , not all clay sculpts and resin casts , dont get me wrong , there is a place for that but not in SW

    An 11 million budget dosen't stretch that far , once you calculte in the new camera tech . and the computer tech .

    Christ Harrison Ford was just supposed to help read scripts for casting , immerse your self the whole time and mive structure and you'll see
     
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  11. Dirt McGirt

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    10 Million was a pretty hefty budget back in 1976. Nuff said.
     
  12. Cocomando

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    yes but for unmade compuert technology and film camera tech. you gotta ask yoyrself , cos these moves spawned THX in sound ILM in filming effects , modles and film camera technology .

    it cahanged cinema and filming , don't believe everything you think off as a child of the late 70's and early 80's , i can understand , just look at movies of the time to gain an understanding
     
  13. Yellowjacket

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    The Play's the thing.

    I'll take Star Wars bubblewrap over digital plumber's crack.
     
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  14. Cocomando

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    Here here dude
     
  15. darthwhitey

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    I watched ANG and ESB with my son the other day for the first time on BR as well...

    One thing that jumped out at me was not prop related, but that C3PO is taller than Luke!!? :lol

    Just kinda made me chuckle
     
  16. Darth Lars

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    According to IMDB, both actors are the same height (175 cm), but Anthony Daniels is wearing a helmet.
    According to Wookieepeedia, though, C-3PO is supposed to be an inch shorter than Luke...
     
  17. robstyle

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    Cocomando, im 40 years old and was at "that age" as a kid when SW came out. Ive always said they did it right with the first 3 movies but on bluray the horrible finishes, wonky sets and such stand out to near distraction for me. Its because ive seen the movies so many times over the years im looking for this stuff.
    Whats sad is the prequels had some super talented people in every department but that was all dragged down with over use of digital sets, digital characters and just flat out horrid choices for both the story and key cast members. TPM is unwatchable, AOTC is about 15 minutes after fastforwarded and ROTS failed with the long awaiting saber duel due to the aforementioned over use of CGI.

    Back on topic,
    I just noticed a sort of captains bars on the snowtrooper's nose in the ATAT cockpit in ESB.
     
  18. Qui-Gonzalez

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    I'm shaking my head trying to figure out what in the hell Cocomando is on about. 11 mil was not a shoestring budget for the time. Hell, it's budget was larger than Jaws. A lot of the costumes from the movie were clay sculpts and castings. Your point is confusing at best.
     
  19. vctrsone

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    "the jabba the hut prop cost over 1million usd to produce" -return to jedi the complete documentary....

    watch that on youtube it shall open your eyes.
     
  20. TylerHam

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    I can chime in on the budget thing - And yes, Its not like Ep 4 and 5 were "low budget".. But they were epic scale films on a semi tight budget, and a lot of that money went into R & D to literally invent camera rigs, etc - To use in the filming - .... Take AVATAR - IOt had a 300 Million dollar budget, but what if, when they started shooting, they had to invent computers with stong processors, graphics cards, 3D software, and motion capture? The film wouldnt hjave been half as impressive if 60% of the budget went into developing the technology to make the film itself possible.

    Also, ESB didnt have a huge budget just because Star Wars did well - When they made ESB the mentality was "Star Wars did well, but could have been lightning striking once.." They had no clue if ESB would be a success or not...

    When I worked at ILM my dept had a few guys in it from Star Wars / Empire / Jedi days so I heard a lot of stories about budgets, etc -

    In a lot of ways I think the lower budget for Star Wars helps it a lot, because like George said "Its a lived in universe" - So things looked weathered -
     
  21. TylerHam

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    Also, by Jedi - To address the point above - When SW / ESB did well, THEN they knew Jedi would be a hit - My friend from Jedi explained this to me when I asked why so many hand drawn storyboards from ESB are on the market, but none from Jedi - And he said that when ESB was being made, noone knew if it would be a success, and STAR WARS was just a film that did very well - But there was not the cult following it has now. So, production was lack about the stuff because it had no value - So "souvenirs" just vanished from production -

    By Jedi, after ESB hit, they knew they had a valuable property, so they didnt hand around hand drawn boards that there was motivation (value wise0 to steal - So they just kept the originals and passed out photocopies -
     
  22. Contec

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    Ha...like that's ever gonna happen....:lol
     
  23. robstyle

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    Tyler, didnt ESB have an initial budget of near double ANH and ended up being near triple the budget of ANH? Ive always heard rumors that it was in the $30 million range when all was said and done.

    I wont comment on Avatar as I thought it was **** and exactly whats wrong with movies today.
     
  24. ob1al

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    Star Wars was most definitely not low budget, but it wasn't lavish either. It was a "modest big-budget" film, if you can forgive the contradiction in terms.

    AS Qui mentioned, compare it to JAWS:

    Production budget for A New Hope equals $ 11 million U.S. dollars in the year 1977. Adjusted for inflation for today, it is roughly $ 45 million U.S. dollars now


    With a modest film budget of about $12 million, Jaws was the highest grossing film up to that time (unbroken until the release of George Lucas' Star Wars (1977)), and earned its 27 year-old director a place in Hollywood. It grossed $438 million in eleven weeks, and was also the first film to top the $100 million record in box-office rentals (cruising past previous pace-setters Gone With the Wind (1939) and The Sound of Music (1965)).
     
  25. TylerHam

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    Rob - Yes, ESB had a bigger budget and went OVER budget by a lot -

    Even still though, while they were working on it noone knew if it would be a hit or not - I mean just watch any documentary about it and listen to them talk about how worried they were that an act with Luke and a Puppet wouldnt work :)

    Obi said it well - Not low budget, but not lavish .. ESB was bigger, and had the R&D that they put into SW already accounted for
     
  26. Madrid Boba

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    Ok guys, thanks for all your comments... !!:thumbsup



    What else have you discover because of the Blu Ray high definition? :confused


    When I watch the movies now, I am looking at the details, at the colors, at the lights, the walls...everything but enjoying the movies....

    Am I becoming paranoid with the prop thing? :confused :confused :confused:unsure

    Alfredo
     
  27. Clutch

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  28. Madrid Boba

    Madrid Boba Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Clutch!! That is a great thread... never seen it before !!

    Thanks

    (i guess that with blu ray it will be easier now...)
     
  29. forcesensitive

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    I just watched the esb scene where Yoda lifts xwing from the swamp, and it's pretty obvious that on his right arm is present some kind of darker stripe..at first I thought it might be light effect, but now I think it's darker color..
     
  30. SofaKing01

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    I just noticed that as well! :)
     
  31. SofaKing01

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    Amen... We may have gone off topic... I think in many ways digital technology has forced, if not encouraged, many artists to simply abandon their true creativity. Yes, it does take a certain talent to understand and successfully create and pull off a 3D character or world and technology has come a long way (I know, I'm an graphic artist by trade)... I'll take a full size Millennium Falcon or Sand Barge over a 3D digital painting any day! :)
     

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